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Top Dems made same promises [Murry, Reid, Durbin, Harkin, Hoyer, Jackson-Lee]
The Hill ^ | October 31, 2013 | Alexander Bolton and Bob Cusack w/ Haley Bissegger and Patrick Mortiere

Posted on 10/31/2013 4:14:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Democratic leaders in Congress echoed President Obama’s promise in 2009 that people would not lose their healthcare plans if they liked them.

Republicans have pounced on Obama’s repeated pitch for the healthcare overhaul, especially after plans across the country recently mailed out policy cancellation notices.

The president wasn’t the only one making big promises on ObamaCare.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who rallied all members of his caucus to support the landmark law, promised the Affordable Care Act (ACA) would let people keep the insurance plans they had at the time.

Reid touted that aspect of the law among its other benefits.

“It not only means making sure you can keep your family’s doctor or keep your healthcare plan if you like it, but also that you can afford to do so,” he said on the Senate floor on July 28, 2009.

Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) made the same promise two days later.

“Many people say: ‘I like my health insurance right now. I don’t want to change. I don’t want to go into Medicare or Medicaid. I like what I have. Would you please leave people alone?’ ” Durbin said.

“The answer is yes,” he added. “In fact, we guarantee it. We are going to put in any legislation considered by the House and Senate the protection that you, as an individual, keep the health insurance you have, if that is what you want.”

Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray (D-Wash.) said on June 10, 2009: “If you like what you have today, that will be what you have when this legislation is passed.”

Murray was defending the legislative initiative from Republican criticisms that it would force thousands of people to switch plans.

“[Then-]Sen. [Jon] Kyl [R-Ariz.] is saying something that doesn’t reflect the position of the president, nor any Democrat I know in Congress,” she said. “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.”

House lawmakers who made similar claims at the time include Reps. Marcia Fudge (D-Ohio) and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas).

“I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough,” House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.) told reporters Tuesday.

Hoyer said the statements should have included the caveat, “assuming you have a policy that in fact does do what the bill is designed to do.”

The primary reason why insurance companies are dropping some plans is because they don’t comply with a minimum benefit mandate that was included in ObamaCare. Proponents of the law say the people in terminated plans will end up with better healthcare plans. Critics note that some, if not most, will be paying more in premiums.

The Washington Post’s Fact Checker column gave “Four Pinocchios” to Obama’s declaration in June 2009 that, “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your healthcare plan, you’ll be able to keep your healthcare plan, period.”

Don Stewart, a spokesman for Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) said Obama’s promise was the centerpiece of the Democratic effort to sell comprehensive healthcare reform to a skeptical public.

“It wasn’t just some throwaway line. This was the central tenet of their promise. This is what they used to sell Obama-Care to people who didn’t want it,” he said.

A spokesman for Durbin said Wednesday that people who might lose their plans would have access to better options through the healthcare law.

“A small percentage of the 15 or so million people who purchase their health insurance on the individual market are being notified that they will now have access to better, more affordable plans as a result of the minimum standards the Affordable Care Act puts in place,” said Max Gleischman, Durbin’s aide.

He argued that people aren’t losing coverage or being forced into plans they don’t want.

“The whole point of the Affordable Care Act is to reform the individual insurance marketplace to provide consumers with choices for affordable, comprehensive health insurance,” he said. “This shows that the law is working.”

Centrist Democrats facing tough races in 2014 are growing nervous about the fallout of people losing their health plans after receiving promises that would not happen.

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) said Wednesday she is working on legislation that would allow people to keep their health insurance plans if they like them.

Republican Sen. Ron Johnson (Wis.) on Wednesday introduced the “If You Like Your Health Care Plan You Can Keep It” Act. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is a co-sponsor.

House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) has a companion bill, which could be voted on next month.

Republicans, many of whom said years ago that Obama’s promise was empty, say they have been vindicated.

“One of the most important promises made by President Obama and Democrat congressional leadership to promote the Affordable Care Act was that Americans who were satisfied with their health plans could keep them. That promise has been broken,” said Johnson.

“More than a million Americans have been notified that the plans they like with the coverage they have chosen have been canceled,” he added.

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) did not envision that scenario when he defended the law on the floor in September 2010.

“One of the things we put in the healthcare bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them,” he said.

Harkin’s spokeswoman Kate Frischmann pointed out that those who are receiving cancellation notices “will be able to enroll in a new plan with new benefits and protections that do not discriminate based on pre-existing conditions; do not deny them key benefits like maternity, mental health, or prescription drug coverage; and cannot drop you when you’re sick. That was the goal of the ACA — to expand access to comprehensive care.”

What many Democrats failed to anticipate is that healthcare plans tend to change over time as insurance companies tweak them in ways that are not always obvious to the policyholders. As a result, many plans that lawmakers thought would have been exempted from the law’s stringent requirements under the grandfather clause no longer comply with the law.

“Republicans said at the time this would not be the case, and this would be another broken promise. Unfortunately, we were right. This should not be a surprise to anyone,” said Stewart, McConnell’s spokesman.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 0bamacrap; aca; demsownit; liars; obamacare

1 posted on 10/31/2013 4:14:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bump


2 posted on 10/31/2013 4:18:03 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The stupidest pol we will ever see----sap-happy Frank Pallone (Dem-NJ)----grinning like a braindead fool----telling Megyn Kelly "it's the insurance industry's fault for cancelling polices."

Even as Megyn tried to tell him Obama forced them to cancel b/c the policies did not meet O/Care's stupid mandates.

Another devious aspect of O/Care----our govt (gag) loves us so much they want to handle our health problems (/snix).....for a price.

3 posted on 10/31/2013 4:22:40 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

But the media is already carry his water again with the spin of it is better coverage than they had. The low information voter (there are way too many) will eat this up and continue to vote Dem. It will eventually be spun as the evil health insurance companies are the ones at fault. They are the ones cancelling and they are the ones who are raising rates.

It can’t be because the regulations say they can’t grandfather all policies in and that they have to cover expanded items (which increase cost). That can’t be it at all. No cause and effect here folks move along.


4 posted on 10/31/2013 4:23:39 AM PDT by pas
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In a just world, these people would be lined up and shot.


5 posted on 10/31/2013 4:26:08 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
When will the people come for the Washington elite? Protests some day at their homes as well as their offices?

Some day there will IMO be hell to pay and Where will civility be over wallet issues?

6 posted on 10/31/2013 4:30:56 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Top Dems made same false promises as Ohaha [Murry, Reid, Durbin, Harkin, Hoyer, Jackson-Lee, etc, etc, etc]

Yawn----the usual suspects. These people wouldn't know truth if is slapped them in the face. Lying to save their sorry behinds is a nasty compulsive habit of Dems.

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THE HILL: "What many Democrats failed to anticipate is that healthcare plans tend to change over time as insurance companies tweak them in ways that are not always......plans lawmakers thought would be exempted from Ocare's stringent requirements under the grandfather clause, no longer comply with the law."

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The stupidest pol we will ever see----sap-happy Frank Pallone (Dem-NJ)----grinning like a braindead fool----telling Megyn Kelly "it's the insurance industry's fault for cancelling polices."

Even as Megyn tried to tell him Obama forced them to cancel b/c the policies did not meet O/Care's stupid mandates.

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Another devious aspect of O/Care----our govt (gag) loves us so much they want to handle our health problems (/snix).....for a price.

7 posted on 10/31/2013 4:31:11 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

Did you see the laughing, grinning jack-ass Austin Goolsby on Hannity last night? It’s all one big JOKE to this idiot. At the close of their segment, he told Hannity he’d been blindsided because he’d been told they were going to discuss the website roll out, not Americans losing their healthcare policies (which Goolsby strongly defended to Hannity as no big deal as it was just an itsy-bitsy percentage of Americans - 0.6% who had crappy policies anyway).


8 posted on 10/31/2013 4:38:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Talking points”, a phrase the Democrats like to throw around, really are circulated among the high-level White Hut, Senile and Hustle Democrats, and get distributed to many in the pressitute corpse as well.

Nothing like speaking with a unified point of view to keep the low-information voter tied to the current line. Yet there is a growing background of cognitive dissonance, when such things as simple logic or critical thinking is applied to what the story may have been only a few weeks ago, and sometimes, the narrative changes almost in mid-sentence.

Propaganda is a lot harder than it looks. Even in this age of electronic storage of “history”, which is wiped clean from time to time. But there are also little caches of informational nuggets that keep appearing that exposes immediately the contradictions that continue to crop up.

And Nixon thought he had a tough time keeping things bottled up. Compared to what is going on today, Nixon was a model of decorum and transparency.

“Plausible deniability” is no longer a defense. If only because it is clearly an oxymoron with the Current Regime now squatting in the White Hut (or “Spite Hut”).


9 posted on 10/31/2013 4:40:10 AM PDT by alloysteel (Men may not always be capable of evil, but they are always capable of incompetence.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Dhimmicraps lied? Really?

OK, everyone surprised by this, please raise your hand.

Sheesh!


10 posted on 10/31/2013 4:46:41 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hannity always says what a great guy he is. SO who is the idiot?


11 posted on 10/31/2013 4:54:10 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: PubliusMM; alloysteel; All
FR thread:Report: White House exerting ‘massive pressure’ on insurance companies to keep quiet

Direct CNN link to interview

12 posted on 10/31/2013 4:55:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hmmmmmm.....looks like Ohaha is running classes on “How To Be A WH Patsy” (cackle).

Laughing, grinning jack-ass Austin Goolsby did the Pallone “I’M-A-WH-PATSY” act on Hannity.

Guess we can expect more of same.


13 posted on 10/31/2013 5:09:54 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Red in Blue PA; Liz

Bump!


14 posted on 10/31/2013 5:11:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: pas

The low info voters that have been interviewed know the truth because the first thing that they did was call their insurer and had it explained exactly who and why their policies are being cancelled. They are not happy and they seem not to be buying any spin. We shall see in the long run.


15 posted on 10/31/2013 5:16:50 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The criminal enterprise that is the Democrat party must be destroyed. Merely defeating it in an election is just delaying the future. This group must be exterminated


16 posted on 10/31/2013 5:20:44 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They both are but Hannity is our idiot.

LLS


17 posted on 10/31/2013 5:23:22 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Nobody is madder than 0bama that he had to
lie to the public. Let me be perfectly clear.
0bama will focus like a frikkin laser till he
gets to the bottom of this.


18 posted on 10/31/2013 5:32:10 AM PDT by TLOne (All terrorists want is for us to bow and worship their god. Oh, and to let them rule.)
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To: bert
The criminal enterprise that is the Democrat party must be destroyed. Merely defeating it in an election is just delaying the future. This group must be exterminated

That is the Democrats game plan for us. I believe they are up at the half.

19 posted on 10/31/2013 5:35:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The dems who voted for this monstrosity should be absolutely livid at their political leaders who slammed this bill down their throats, especially to Nancy Pelosi, who spouted: “you have to pass it to see what’s in it.”

They should revolt against their (non) democratic leadership for putting them in the position they’re in. Their leadership sold them out, just like they’ve done to the blacks and anyone else who’s relied on them throughout history.


20 posted on 10/31/2013 6:32:58 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Queen Sheila is not a top Democrat. Yuppies in the Heights are too stupid to vote.


21 posted on 10/31/2013 10:27:32 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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