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Sarvis a Libertarian? Nope (The Virginia gubernatorial candidate is a social liberal.)
NRO ^ | October 31, 2013 4:00 AM | Charles C. W. Cooke

Posted on 10/31/2013 10:31:42 AM PDT by JSDude1

In polite society at least, questioning the fundamental claims that people make about themselves is rather frowned upon. If a person says that he is a Catholic, then one is expected to believe that he is a Catholic, even if there is no evidence for this whatsoever. If a person says he is a conservative when he clearly agrees with not a single conservative position, we are likewise expected to smile and nod grimly. “No, you’re not!” is not a socially acceptable response to erroneous self-description, alas.

There is some virtue in this convention, I suppose, even if it is just that it helps to keep the peace. But there is an awful lot more virtue in the integrity of our political language and terminology. This is to say that if we lose the capacity to demand that words and actions remain linked, then we will lose our ability to discuss current affairs with any meaning. And that, I’m afraid, will be disastrous.

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It is with this in mind that I have taken a certain exception to Robert Sarvis, the supposed “Libertarian” candidate for governor of Virginia. “Libertarian” is, admittedly, a fairly broad term, and one that is claimed by a considerable number of people across the ideological spectrum — sometimes reasonably and sometimes farcically. Nevertheless, whatever the various internecine disagreements that surface inexorably among its adherents, it does have a core meaning, and one that I would argue is generally understood. A majority of people know approximately what the definition of “libertarian” is, I would venture, and know also which position in any given race they might expect the “libertarian” candidate to stake out.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: barbaracomstock; cuccinelli; governor; kathleenmurphy; liberals; libertarian; libertarians; mcauliffe; medicaid; medicare; nro; sarvis; thirdparty; va2013; virginia

1 posted on 10/31/2013 10:31:42 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1

I thought most Libertarians were social liberals and fiscal conservatives, which is why nobody ends up voting for them.


2 posted on 10/31/2013 10:34:52 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: JSDude1

BTTT! See how you can help Cuccinelli:

http://www.cuccinelli.com/


3 posted on 10/31/2013 10:38:00 AM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: JSDude1

Curious, most Libt candidates are pretty invisible, but hear a LOT about this guy Sarvis.

Is he wealthy, or getting big funding from somebody?


4 posted on 10/31/2013 10:39:36 AM PDT by nascarnation (Frequently wrong but rarely in doubt....)
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To: JSDude1
I know a guy who describes his political views as "libertarian socialist".

I told him that's like being a seven-foot-tall midget.

5 posted on 10/31/2013 10:40:25 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: JSDude1

I don’t think Libertarians classify themselves as liberal or conservative. I believe they believe in freedom and that is about it. There is not a rule that you have to be liberal or conservative to run on the libertarian ticket. I don’t know much about the ticket but I do know that anybody can run of the ticket. It is not a requirement to be conservative.....surprised as heck that you thought otherwise.


6 posted on 10/31/2013 10:45:55 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Exactly. As soon as anyone says s/he is ‘libertarian,’ I assume s/he is a social liberal. Don’t know one libertarian who isn’t liberal on social issues.


7 posted on 10/31/2013 10:49:37 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: JSDude1

Any “conservative” Virginian who votes for Sarvis should just volunteer for higher taxes, worse services, higher unemployment, and a lower standard of living in Virginia. It was depressing enough when the Tea Party couldn’t get energized to get out the vote last year (let’s thank the IRS for helping to depress the Tea Party activity as well as the conservative vote). Now, when the governorship (and down-ballot leadership positions) are in play, and when trends will be set for the mid-term and 2016 presidential elections, conservatives better get out the vote for the only conservative(s) in the race — and that’s not Sarvis.


8 posted on 10/31/2013 10:50:00 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: napscoordinator

I never said my personal views, friend, however libertarians believe in smaller government.

Sarvis clearly does not. He’s really a progressive Democrat in disguise.

Mr. Cuccinelli is more like a libertarian than Sarvis the official “L” in this race!


9 posted on 10/31/2013 10:55:40 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1
Libertarians are social liberals. They didn't use to be, but they are now. And they tend to be hypocrites about it. While they talk a good "Leave me alone" game, when it comes to things like homosexual marriage, they're not just for it, they enthusiastically support forcing government to approve and endorse it, using, by their own definitions, statist power.
10 posted on 10/31/2013 11:00:39 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: JSDude1

A Democrat trying to split the Republican vote by calling himself a libertarian?


11 posted on 10/31/2013 11:11:09 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: JSDude1

The author is confused. As are many FReepers.

It makes no difference if you look at Libertarians or libertarians. They both suck. They both like to pretend they are Constitutionalists and that they are for small government and that our Founding Fathers were libs and blah, blah, blah.

Truth is - they are social liberals and - like Sarvis - third party spoilers.

The true ROFLMAO irony here is the Grand Father of all libs (RoPaul) is now actually campaining against the lib candidate here in Virginia.

More proof that libs are nutz!


12 posted on 10/31/2013 11:14:48 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: JSDude1

The beginning premise of Libertarian philosophy is a strong and demanding sense of Liberty and from it a sentinel for what is mine that I can I keep the business of government out of and NOT what can government do for me.

Scratch the Sarvis money trails long enough and I would bet there’s some Soros money in there somewhere, just as we found there was in who went to work for Rubio.

The foxes are in the henhouse.


13 posted on 10/31/2013 11:18:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: JSDude1

Follow the $$$. I’ll bet the DNC, Soros et al donated tons to this guy to split the anti-rat vote. It’s their SOP.


14 posted on 10/31/2013 11:24:28 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Impeach We Much!)
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To: Wuli
Scratch the Sarvis money trails long enough and I would bet there’s some Soros money in there somewhere, just as we found there was in who went to work for Rubio.

Nah. The LP is just so poorly organized in VA that they are vulnerable to stuff like this. That con man Wayne Allen Root got on the national ticket in '08 and tried again in '12 before people wised up to him.

Too bad. Virginia is the home of GMU and some of our greatest libertarian thinkers. Now, people are going to equate libertarianism with this lightweight.

15 posted on 10/31/2013 11:29:28 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No, I’d say you’re right about some of God hater libertarians, but not all are like that.. some genuinely are smaller gov/constitutionalist based.

It’s all about expanding the coalition while not giving up our principles!~

-JS


16 posted on 10/31/2013 4:26:52 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

Levin speaking of this right now.


17 posted on 10/31/2013 5:16:04 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks JSDude1.


18 posted on 10/31/2013 8:45:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: JSDude1

You can download a copy of the Family Foundation Voter guide at this location: http://vavotes.net/guide/

The Faith and Freedom Coalition version can be viewed here: http://virginiavoterguide.com/


19 posted on 11/01/2013 7:23:09 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Repeal Obamacare !!)
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To: DesScorp

Heterosexual marriage is a natural institution homosexual “marriage” isn’t. Marriage is the bond between a man and a woman forming the basis for a future family. Only a man and a woman can produce a child so it follows that only a man and woman can make a family.


20 posted on 11/01/2013 3:08:37 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: Wuli
Scratch the Sarvis money trails long enough and I would bet there’s some Soros money in there somewhere, just as we found there was in who went to work for Rubio.

The whole point of the article is that you don't have to scratch the Sarvis money trail. It's obvious from his positions that he's a big-government 'Rat running as a Losertarian in order to siphon votes from low-information types who think they are voting on principle or something.

Sarvis should be promoted as the honest man's alternative to McAuliffe.

21 posted on 11/01/2013 3:26:02 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: JSDude1

I trust you pinged the Virginia delegation?


22 posted on 11/04/2013 7:45:02 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

No I did not, will you? I am not in that group, and don’t have the list.


23 posted on 11/04/2013 9:21:48 AM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1
I think you do it when you are posting the original thread. I'm not sure how to do it after the thread has been posted.

I'll work on it though.

24 posted on 11/04/2013 3:06:28 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

Honestly I don’t know how either.


25 posted on 11/04/2013 4:23:44 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: rfp1234

I apologize. You were right.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-bundler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/


26 posted on 11/05/2013 12:40:36 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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