Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

German gouvernment wants to speak with Snowden
Der Spiegel ^ | 01.11.2013 | Der Spiegel

Posted on 11/01/2013 4:50:31 AM PDT by European Guest

This is a translated exerpt:

Berlin - The German government was sending a signal to the former NSA-agent Edward Snowden after his meeting with the German member of the Bundestag Hans-Christian Ströbele that it has the will for a dialogue. The minister for the interior said on friday in Berlin: "We will find solutions if Mr. Snowden agrees to talk with German officials." He didn't said who is going to talk with Snowden. Further the minister noted:" If the message means that Mr. Snowden gives us Informations, we will accept. Everything we get in Information and facts is good. The Federal Gouvernment of Germany ist thankful for all informations. No matter how."

The will to talk with Snowden is noteworthy. Until now the German gouvernment always signalized that a questioning of Snowden never even entered the equation. This changed obviously in a fundamental way....

(...Sorry - the original is in German...)

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia
KEYWORDS: germany; nsa; russia; snowden
Sorry Obama - It never pays out to spy and steal among those who thought that they were your friends. America is starting to pay a high price for such cretinism.

Snowden has a good chance to get asylum and a new identity somewhere in western Europe and the US have a good chance to loose all of their spy bases on the old continent (except of the British island of course). Furthermore it is quite probable that the Status of Forces Agreement in Germany and elsewhere will be renegotiated. Since most Germans do not see any need for a further deployment of foreign troops the outcome could be the end of the US forces in Germany in the long term. The discussion about it just started and will take its time.

From my European point of view I have the impression, that most Americans do not understand how substancial the damage is. Western Europe lost its trust in the US completely.

Regards from the old continent.

1 posted on 11/01/2013 4:50:32 AM PDT by European Guest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: European Guest

Agreed. I think it is time for Europe to be Europe.

Obama is a fool and his job was to diminish the country and he surely did.


2 posted on 11/01/2013 4:53:02 AM PDT by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: European Guest

-—— America is starting to pay a high price——

No, not really. There is a difference between Obama and America.

What has happened is that the leaders of the world have reached consensus that Barack Obama is unworthy of their respect as an international player. He is being told that he has been dropped from the list of players.

America on the other hand is still America and relations continue.


3 posted on 11/01/2013 4:57:44 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bert

The bitter truth is that you Americans are going to pay a high price. We understood that except of the UK, NZ, Australia and Canada (maybe you spy on them too) the US obviously has no friends. Therefore it might be reasonable to rethink our relationship to America. Nothing fast but relevant in the long term.

Fact is, that US influence and power on this planet reached its maximum two decades ago and is now declining in a breathtaking way. Therefore America is not that important to us Europeans as it was in the past. Not so far from now we can do perfectly without the US.

Between friends it is not important if one is strong or not. Your actual weakness (espechially in economic terms) was never a big question on our side of the Atlantic. To my (German) generation (I am 45) the US were the Berlin airlift and JFK saying “I am a Berliner”. As most of my German fellows I visited your country a few times. Therefore we feel very sorry now about the experience that friendship and personal relations obiously count that little four you gouvernment. It is a new face of America. A nation that betrays its “friends” and steals the secrets of its partners. Please do not bring forward the argument of your ridiculous “war on terror”. Nobody believes in this BS anymore.

We observe the contemporary discussion quite closely. To us the problem is not Obama and his helpless handling of this affair, the real problem is the widespread ignorance in your country. The bitter fact that normal Americans obviously do not care about the treason of allies.

After all it is sad.


4 posted on 11/01/2013 5:09:37 AM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: European Guest

Perhaps Snowden is saving his Obama file for last...........


5 posted on 11/01/2013 5:19:38 AM PDT by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chickensoup
Agreed. I think it is time for Europe to be Europe.

This might be the silver lining in an Obama administration. We can't stay there in force forever.

Having said that, its clear Obama has lost the lions share of the public trust here at home for good. Question is how far is he willing to push us in terms of forcing through his Marxist agenda in spite of our opposition.

6 posted on 11/01/2013 5:27:00 AM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: European Guest

Actually, this fits Obama’s agenda:

ALIENATE YOUR FRIENDS AND EMBOLDEN YOUR ENEMIES.

Obama wants to take down America. He’s doing a good job. Why do people judge Obama against American Values: he has none. He’s not an American. He’s a Communist.


7 posted on 11/01/2013 5:27:58 AM PDT by SC_Pete
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: European Guest
the real problem is the widespread ignorance in your country.

No argument with that comment from probably anyone on this board.

8 posted on 11/01/2013 5:32:52 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: European Guest
To us the problem is not Obama and his helpless handling of this affair, the real problem is the widespread ignorance in your country. The bitter fact that normal Americans obviously do not care about the treason of allies.

Obama is in the process of disassembling our economy & military, is busily corrupting our legal system, confidence in our political processes, and the very constitutional underpinnings of our system of government.

He and his party seek to flood the nation with tens of millions of third world illegal aliens which will change the character of the country forever.

Americans may not be upset enough at Obama's betrayal of America's traditional allies to suit you, but thats only because we have many problems that are much more immediate than hurt feelings and lost bases abroad.

9 posted on 11/01/2013 5:40:15 AM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: European Guest
From my European point of view I have the impression, that most Americans do not understand how substancial the damage is.

I for one value the words of a "man on the street" in the old country. Thanks for posting.

10 posted on 11/01/2013 5:41:43 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hardastarboard

Great tagline. :-)


11 posted on 11/01/2013 5:42:13 AM PDT by Bobalu (Bobo the Wonder Marxist leads Operation Rodeo Clown against Syria)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: skeeter

>>We can’t stay there in force forever.

We aren’t there in force. There is very little force there, and it has been that way for about two decades. What is there are logistics and Air Force bases.


12 posted on 11/01/2013 5:42:40 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster
I guess its my definition of ‘in force’. Perhaps it takes 50k soldiers and airmen to operate the airbases we have there, I don't know.
13 posted on 11/01/2013 5:46:39 AM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Hardastarboard

Well - since I am no American and committed only to my own nation I might have a different point of view. Nevertheless I see myself as a true friend of the US - further I respect of course your patriotic feelings and do not want to offend you. Therefore I am appalled about the recent development.

As I said. It is sad. And sometimes it is necessary to speak in plain language.


14 posted on 11/01/2013 6:04:00 AM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: European Guest

I agree with your view. I’m in Italy for the last 2 weeks and over the last 4-5 days this is the story. People on the ground do ask me about this at all. I wish they would.


15 posted on 11/01/2013 6:05:48 AM PDT by magua
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: European Guest

Obama is a lazy liar, whose mother was a whore.
How can anyone be surprised by the downward trajectory of this country?


16 posted on 11/01/2013 6:16:32 AM PDT by Palio di Siena
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: skeeter

Yep.

The US bases in Germany are the main infrostructural hubs for American operations in the Middle East and in Africa. Transport planes, hospitals, repair shops and things like that. There are only very little real “forces” with real weapons left. Therefore we Germans have no direct political benefit*. A closure might be a problem for the towns around those bases that are dependent from orders of the US forces, but we will manage it easily, since Germany is one of the richest countries anyhow.

* Note: Of course we have some benefit if you Americans solve Problems in Iraq, Somalia or elsewhere. Nevertheless it is no direct benefit, since those troops are not there to defend Germany against his neighbours. Since there is widespread criticisim about American operations in the named countries it is quite likely that the German mainstream votes for a closure of US installations.


17 posted on 11/01/2013 6:18:17 AM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: European Guest
We observe the contemporary discussion quite closely. To us the problem is not Obama and his helpless handling of this affair, the real problem is the widespread ignorance in your country.

You're not wrong, but you should also check your euro-mirror. Vast majorities in Europe were sucked up by the Obama-marketing farce and polls showed massive support for this chooch all over Europe and elsewhere.

One of the principle selling points to morons in this country was that our barely closeted marxist community organizer candidate had grand appeal to Europeans and promised to repair relations allegedly damaged by the Bush Administration.

There's a lot of ignorance on both sides of the lake.

18 posted on 11/01/2013 6:18:18 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: dead

You said: “............Vast majorities in Europe were sucked up by the Obama-marketing farce and polls showed massive support for this chooch all over Europe and elsewhere...........There’s a lot of ignorance on both sides of the lake.....”

You are correct. On both sides of the lake we have armies of idiots. Nevertheless I hope for a littlebit more understanding that we Europeans do not want to be cheated in such a clumsy manner. This is pure posion in the transatlantic relationship.


19 posted on 11/01/2013 6:40:45 AM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: European Guest
Nevertheless I hope for a littlebit more understanding that we Europeans do not want to be cheated in such a clumsy manner.

What would you like to see? Please be specific as you like.

20 posted on 11/01/2013 7:08:55 AM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Bobalu

Thanks!


21 posted on 11/01/2013 7:31:15 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: European Guest

So to your generation “I am a Berliner” is more significant than “Tear Down This Wall” ?

Speaking as one born in Germany this is what I don’t understand about the European mindset. You swoon over rhetorical flourishes as opposed to realistic reality.

“I am a Berliner,” means nothing. “Tear Down This Wall” resulted in actual freedom for the German people.

JFK removed missiles in Turkey defending your lives in exchange to get the missiles out of Cuba. JFK did nothing for Germany.

And one more thing. In America citizens protect each other from the government ( the essence of our Constitution ). Europeans expect government to protect them from each other.
That never works out very well. All you have to do is look at Brussels and its anti-democratic regulations.

According to the EU, water is not even a hydrating agent.
Sheer utter exponential lunacy.


22 posted on 11/01/2013 9:44:03 AM PDT by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: European Guest

You do forget there is a missile defense component to the U.S. presence in Europe. The Iranians remain a wild card.


23 posted on 11/01/2013 10:19:47 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson