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Why Letting Everyone Keep Their Health-Care Plan Is a Terrible Idea (0bama Knows Best Alert)
New York Magazine ^ | 11/1/2013 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 11/01/2013 12:27:27 PM PDT by mojito

The current furor over President Obama’s broken “keep your plan” promise confusingly melds together two very different claims. The first is a simple question of accuracy and honesty: Obama made a promise about his legislation, the promise has not come true, and a certain level of abuse is deserved. (Karl Rove huffs, “This is a serious breach of trust with the American people.” And you know that Karl Rove takes breaches of presidential trust with the utmost seriousness.)

The justifiable scrutiny of Obama’s veracity has melded seamlessly into a second and very different claim: That Obama’s broken promise is not merely a violation of trust, a fair enough charge, but an act of unfairness to those who have lost their plans.

The health-care debate has suddenly come to focus almost obsessively on the alleged victims of Obamacare, who have lost their cheap individual insurance....

The idea underlying this notion, while facially appealing, is in fact misguided and morally perverse. No decent health-care reform can keep in place every currently existing private plan.

(Excerpt) Read more at nymag.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; jonathanchait; leftknowsbest; nannystate; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkmagazine; obamabots; obamacare; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; zerocare
We know what's best for you, and it's not what you think is best for you.

We're the nanny state, and we're here to show you how wrong you are, make you do what you're told, and make you like it.

Writer Chait, if you've never had the supreme displeasure of reading him, loves the president, the nanny state and himself in roughly that order.

1 posted on 11/01/2013 12:27:27 PM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

He’s a real prick too.


2 posted on 11/01/2013 12:31:24 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: mojito

This needs to be expounded upon so everyone can see what democRats/Leftists really believe.

It comes down to being ruled over by our “betters”
or
governed with the consent of the governed.

Which do you want, people? Which do YOU want, libs? Have you figured out that you’re NOT going to be the one making the rules, but living by someone else’s?


3 posted on 11/01/2013 12:34:37 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Now that we have a little more of the truth, let’s have another vote in the Senate and see if a majority of the senators agree with Mr. C. Edmund Wright.


4 posted on 11/01/2013 12:36:26 PM PDT by Helotes
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To: mojito

Yes . . . 0bama knows what’s best for all of us. He knows this because someone told him.


5 posted on 11/01/2013 12:42:00 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Helotes
Now that we have a little more of the truth, let’s have another vote in the Senate and see if a majority of the senators agree with Mr. C. Edmund Wright.

Agree with me that Chait is a prick? Or something more substantive…..:)

6 posted on 11/01/2013 12:46:35 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: mojito

Some of those old plans don’t cover abortion and birth control. Obama can’t allow those to exist.

On the plus side, there’s less chance that Sandra Fluke will reproduce.


7 posted on 11/01/2013 12:49:29 PM PDT by LostPassword
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To: mojito

The Big Lie.


8 posted on 11/01/2013 12:53:54 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mojito
Why Letting Everyone Keep Their Health-Care Plan Is a Terrible Idea (0bama Knows Best Alert)

I agree! Just because Obama poking his nose in our business is a really really bad idea doesn't mean we need to keep the current crap, er crop, of azzhole third parties doing the same. Everyone on HSA's with very high deductible plans, and round up everyone who voted for Osama-Care and turn their houses into public toilets / gay bathhouses. To do otherwise would be homophobic.

9 posted on 11/01/2013 1:07:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: mojito

There is just all kinds of fail in that piece.

Dr Carson is on the money - we need Health Savings Accounts, a more competitive insurance market, and more creativity, flexibility, and competition from the providers. Getting the government more involved only makes the crisis they have created worse.

I guarantee you that “free” health care will not lead to more responsible health choices among many Americans. A visit to any grocery store on EBT day will confirm this.


10 posted on 11/01/2013 1:13:52 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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11 posted on 11/01/2013 1:15:14 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: mojito

This guy would be more credible if he’d have slammed obama’s lie on day one.


12 posted on 11/01/2013 1:15:57 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: mojito

“We will keep this promise to the American people...” - 0bama


13 posted on 11/01/2013 1:16:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: mojito

GOP’s position should be to to repeal all the mandates and call it the ‘Keep your policy if you want it fairness’ bill.


14 posted on 11/01/2013 1:22:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: mojito

[No decent health-care reform can keep in place every currently existing private plan.]

I don’t know if you saw the news today, Jon, but by the end of 2014 most employer/employee insurance plans will also be declared insufficient and void. There’s no up side to this boondoggle.


15 posted on 11/01/2013 1:24:59 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: mojito

This is a defensible position in a political debate. The problem is this pack of liars should have been honest about this feature of Obamacare and had a public debate about it BEFORE passing it on the lie everyone could keep their coverage.


16 posted on 11/01/2013 1:34:00 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: mojito
This a-hole should listen to himself - "letting" everyone keep their health care policy.

Scratch a progressive & find the runt tyrant beneath.

17 posted on 11/01/2013 1:37:11 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Sorry I meant let’s see if our senators would agree with Mr. Chait! What a maroon!


18 posted on 11/01/2013 2:02:17 PM PDT by Helotes
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To: Helotes

Enough with the LYING SPIN from the MORALLY PERVERSE DEMOCRATS.


19 posted on 11/01/2013 2:25:55 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: mojito
No decent health-care reform can keep in place every currently existing private plan.

And this makes you question the plans rather than the "reform"? You're a fucktard. Or a liberal. Same thing.

20 posted on 11/01/2013 2:36:15 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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...on the alleged victims of Obamacare, who have lost their cheap individual insurance....

This a can of crap the "cheap individual insurance" was not the only insurance lost. All individual plans not grandfathered in were lost no matter how "good" they were. But regardless if they lost their plan against their wills then they are indeed victims.

Jury is out on whether this POS's employer cancels his plan.

21 posted on 11/01/2013 2:51:00 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: mojito
Even highly educated consumers within this market were frequently snookered by insurance plans that turned out to leave them exposed to surprise costs — they incur a sudden high medical cost and discover their plan does not actually cover them. The fine print is a game of wits between insurer and customer that the insurer always wins. A large share of the people telling us now they’re happy with their individual insurance simply haven’t been exposed to a negative surprise.

Actually, the "negative surprise" is what people are getting with the new, supposedly improved, insurance. Who would think that their insurance would be "improved" by having it not cover any treatment in the research oriented tertiary care hospitals where you end up if you are really sick?

Every insurance policy I have seen before the advent of Obamacare included coverage for out of network providers. But now, in New Hampshire, and in California for Anthem, the exchange policies don't cover out of network hospitals or doctors.

So people that are unlucky enough to get really sick in 2014 you will "discover their plan does not actually cover them" if they need really complex medical care.

If you live in Los Angeles County, and buy the Anthem policy, you can go to Cedars Sinai, or take your sick child to Children's Hospital of Los Angeles. But if you live in San Bernadino, or Riverside you don't have any insurance for those hospitals. You're out of luck. In fact you'll discover that your plan doesn't cover you or your child and you are uninsured.

Don't be "snookered" by Obamacare policies that don't offer out of network benefits.

22 posted on 11/01/2013 5:20:07 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks mojito.
The health-care debate has suddenly come to focus almost obsessively on the alleged victims of Obamacare, who have lost their cheap individual insurance... The idea underlying this notion, while facially appealing, is in fact misguided and morally perverse.
IOW, Partisan Media Shill Chait sticks his tongue even further up Soetero's ass.


23 posted on 11/01/2013 7:09:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: mojito

I wonder if Jonathan Chait has ever heard the term “bait and switch”?


24 posted on 11/01/2013 7:36:06 PM PDT by GOPJ ( We've grown to trust MSM hatred. When the MSM hates one of us it's an endorsement.)
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