Skip to comments.Hagel: US to expedite delivery of V-22 Osprey aircraft to Israel
Posted on 11/01/2013 2:10:38 PM PDT by klpt
The US will fast-track delivery of six V-22 Osprey helicopter-plane aircraft to Israel, US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said Thursday in his address to the Anti-Defamation League's centennial conference in New York.
NBC News reported that the Pentagon agreed to send Israel the next batch of Ospreys to come off the production line after Israel requested this week that the delivery of the aircraft be expedited amid threats from Iran and Syria. The next group of Ospreys had originally been slated for assignation to the US Marines, a Pentagon official told NBC.
"Israel will get six V-22s out of the next order to go on the assembly line, and they will be compatible with other [Israeli defense] capabilities," Hagel was quoted by NBC as saying at the ADL conference.
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Aren’t the arabs killing enough Israelis fast enough without the Osprey? Do we have to help them accelerate the numbers?
No kidding. What has Israel done to deserve the Osprey?
There must be some reason they want it.
Why not just give them machine guns that have reverse-pointing barrels on them?
They have held off a billion Muslims for decades
I didn’t think we were even still producing the Ospreys.
There’s always leftists in Israel who wil jump up and down with the American flag even if it kills thousands of Jews.
The V-22 is in its third or fourth generation now.
You beat me to it
It still doesn’t look like it wants to fly.
Might be the worst investment in an aircraft Israel made since it bought those Czech-built Me109s (the ones with so much torque they swung like pendulums on takeoff and landing). Seriously, what does an Osprey do that a helicopter can’t?
IIRC, the P-51 Mustang with the Roll-Royce engine had to be throttled very slowly for the same reason: super torque.
Anyway, the V-22 has enough problems as it is. This deal smells.
The utter ignorance on this thread is absolutely profound.
The V-22 had a very tough development, but its operational service has been stellar.
It has an outstanding safety record and has served in combat in multiple deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Israel wants them because, unlike the armchair morons on this thread, they recognize what a transformational platform the tiltrotor Osprey is.
If you actually saw one fly in person, you wouldn’t say they don’t look like they want to fly, that’s for damn sure.
I agree, there are some deployed here at Kirtland AFB and they fly over my place in the mountains quite a bit, plus I work right near the base so I see them a lot. It is a very cool aircraft. The first time you hear one it’s “what????” it has a very distinctive sound.
How is it performing?
They must know what they’re doing. Fingers crossed...
Just saw it in passing on the avionics intel site. The quick impression was that there’s better engines (power and fuel economy), and models for the Army. Also, it seems not to be named v-22 osprey anymore but v-280 Valor. Seems to be the same plane, though.
Osprey is crap. Should have been canceled long ago
The utter ignorance on this thread is absolutely profound.
The V-22 had a very tough development, but its operational service has been stellar. ...etc.
Thanks for jumping in! I was going to after going through all of the comments, but you beat me to it.
I worked at Bell in the ‘60s and ‘70s, when we were developing the proof-of-concept for the tilt rotor; the XV-15. (One is in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum) ......I worked closely with NAVAIR and MCAS Cherry Point (a really neat base in NC, where the Marines train on the MV-22) during development and early production of the MV-22 variant, in developing requirement for aircraft logbooks, tracing Flight Safety Parts and Time-Life parts, etc. ....The Marines and Air Force personnel really like the versality of the V-22. A couple of years ago there was an article about several of the Air Force V-22s flying non-stop from the US to a country in Africa and later returning the same way (of course in flight refueling was needed).
I retired from Bell in Dec. 2001, after 36 years and I believe all employees and both Bell and Boeing who had involvement with the V-22 are proud of the product.
Sorry, everyone, for being so mouthy. I’ll try to keep it shorter from now on...
You know you maybe onto something. The new less complicated "Valor" and Sikorski's X2 variants with counter-rotating rotors and pusher prop, all usher in VTOL aircraft that are quite different i.e. they are way faster than the "Mu" barrier of which some of the rotorheads on this thread could explain better than I can! ( please do so gents! )
We are talking VTOL machines faster than 250 mph, and perhaps now that the V22 is now mature, why wouldn't Israel get on this wave as probably many military roles will say bye bye to the old to embrace this new gen of VTOL's...
I wonder if Chuck Hagel is demanding that in return for another handout, Isreal’s military provide marriage benefits to homos?
It might be better for Israel if he did. Because Israel would then hang it up on the USA and get cracking on their biblical promise from God. Not that it isn’t a means of blessing to get helped by an at least nominally Christian country. But while Israel keeps on playing rope a dope with God, they aren’t going to go anywhere eschatologically. At least that’s the way I see it.
Fly 24 troops 250 miles at 250 knots (like from Israel to Syria, for example) then land those 24 special ops troops anywhere without a runway, and without parachuting.
Then more importantly, pick them up again post mission.
There was a lot of compromise built in the V-22 because of the requirement to fold up while shipboard.
Take away the requirement to fold up, and you can have larger rotor discs for lower disc loading (reducing the envelope for vortex ring state, the pilot error condition that killed all those Marines,) and a much lighter airframe that doesn't have to pivot the wing which allows for much higher performance.
OK. It has a speed advantage. A helicopter could do all that, but not at 250 knots. Thanks.
Hopefully the one the Israelis are getting (the Valor?) doesn’t have the folding wings (Israel has no carriers) and some of the other advantages you’ve mentioned.
Osprey is crap.
There was no problem with the airplanes. The problem was with the idiot Marines flying them. Pilot Error was the cause of most of those incidents! It's not a Cessna 172!
But, I guess it's easier to display ignorance...
Yep, but it would still have some of the other rotor wing weaknesses.
Which it is rather amazing that no one seems to have specifically targetted. Yet.
TELL ME WHERE YOU FOUND THE RIGHT TO SMEAR THE MEMORY OF NAVAL AVIATORS DOING THEIR JOB AND FORCED TO FLY A PIECE OF LATE 80'S CR@P.
No, they're going to get V-22s directly off the Bell Boeing assembly line. The Valor is in the very beginning stages of prototype development and is a smaller aircraft than the V-22, intended as a possible replacement for the UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter.
It's found in the US Constitution, First Amendment. Besides which, I know a few of the Osprey pilots. They love the aircraft! They weren't FORCED to fly anything. Neither were those that flew them into the ground.
I am also a pilot of light aircraft. I've tried to control a rotor wing aircraft and decided that I prefer fixed wings. It is a different animal, indeed!
June 1991..."The pilot, Grady Wilson, suspected that he may have accidentally set the throttle lever the opposite direction to that intended, exacerbating the crash if not causing it.
April 2000... The cause was determined to be vortex ring state (VRS), a fundamental limitation on vertical descent which is common to helicopters. At the time of the mishap, the V-22's flight operations rules restricted the Osprey to a descent rate of 800 feet per minute (4.1 m/s) at airspeeds below 40 knots (74 km/h) (restrictions typical of helicopters); the crew of the V-22 in question exceeded this operating restriction with a rate more than 100% greater.
April 2010 ... The investigation found several factors that significantly contributed to the crash; these include low visibility, a poorly executed approach, loss of situational awareness, and a high descent rate.
April 2012 ... U.S. investigators found no mechanical flaw with the aircraft, and human error was determined to be the cause.
You think? You could have fooled me...
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