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The US needs to retire daylight savings and just have two time zones—one hour apart.
Quartz ^ | November 1, 2013 | Allison Schrager

Posted on 11/01/2013 3:31:05 PM PDT by Sergio

Daylight saving time ends Nov. 3, setting off an annual ritual where Americans (who don’t live in Arizona or Hawaii) and residents of 78 other countries including Canada (but not Saskatchewan), most of Europe, Australia and New Zealand turn their clocks back one hour. It’s a controversial practice that became popular in the 1970s with the intent of conserving energy. The fall time change feels particularly hard because we lose another hour of evening daylight, just as the days grow shorter. It also creates confusion because countries that observe daylight saving change their clocks on different days.

It would seem to be more efficient to do away with the practice altogether. The actual energy savings are minimal, if they exist at all. Frequent and uncoordinated time changes cause confusion, undermining economic efficiency. There’s evidence that regularly changing sleep cycles, associated with daylight saving, lowers productivity and increases heart attacks. Being out of sync with European time changes was projected to cost the airline industry $147 million a year in travel disruptions. But I propose we not only end Daylight Saving, but also take it one step further.

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I've always thought we should move the time 30 minutes and then just leave it alone.
1 posted on 11/01/2013 3:31:05 PM PDT by Sergio
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To: Sergio

That extra hour of daylight is what causes global warming!


2 posted on 11/01/2013 3:34:22 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (I don't always talk to Obama voters, but when I do I ask for Large Fries.)
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I like daylight savings. I like all of the daylight after work. I would rather waste most of the dark hours working to have daylight to do stuff. I would imagine people who work mostly indoors feel the same.


3 posted on 11/01/2013 3:35:42 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Sergio

I love daylight savings time.


4 posted on 11/01/2013 3:38:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sergio

"The Metric Leisure Week will be composed of three days. Yes, only three days. Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday will become one day known as Mwensday or in decabet: Mwen. Thursday, Friday and Saturday will become Saturthurs, or in decabet: Turth. And Sunday, our traditional day of rest, will remain Sunday. Three days: Mwen, Thurth and Sunday."

5 posted on 11/01/2013 3:39:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: trisham

I agree. I like the extra sunlight in the evenings.


6 posted on 11/01/2013 3:39:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: trisham

My goats have requested a night light in their shed.


7 posted on 11/01/2013 3:40:39 PM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: Sergio
It’s a controversial practice

No it's not, besides a few crumdrums here & there I'd bet few if anyone really thinks about it more than a day or 2 after a switch.

Plus, if DLS was repealed people would be very pissed without that xtra hour after work in the summer time

8 posted on 11/01/2013 3:42:20 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: colorado tanker

Me too.


9 posted on 11/01/2013 3:42:33 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sergio

This is an excellent idea. Abolish 2 time zones and just have an Eastern and Western Time with the Mississippi River being the equilibrium.


10 posted on 11/01/2013 3:42:39 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Salamander

I don’t blame them. :)


11 posted on 11/01/2013 3:43:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dsrtsage

I agree with you. It’s very depressing to spend all the daylight hours inside and leave work in the darkness. For people who work in an office, it means that during the winter months we can never be out in the light during the week. This is terrible for both mental and physical health. Having a hour of sun in the morning when one is getting ready for work is useless.


12 posted on 11/01/2013 3:44:43 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: Salamander

My goats have requested a night light in their shed.
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The bimbette reporter asked the farmer how he enjoyed the extra hour daylight in the evening.

“Don’t. I just have to get up an hour earlier to get up at the same time and then I am ‘stuck’ with another hour to work at night”.
“You don’t understand. Just sleep the extra hour in the morning and adjust your schedule accordingly”.

FARMER: “Miss, them cows and chickens got to be tended the same ‘time’ every morning and evening, they don’t go by any clock”.


13 posted on 11/01/2013 3:47:11 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --All incumbents must go. Complete turn over, House & Senate is needed.)
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To: dfwgator

And a ten hour metric clock.


14 posted on 11/01/2013 3:47:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: qam1

A day is still 24 hours, I don’t think anyone gets upset at “losing an hour”. They like having the extra day light before prime time, though, I think.


15 posted on 11/01/2013 3:48:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: dsrtsage
Maybe a better approach would be to simply adjust business hours during the summer months to account for the "Daylight Savings Time" without ever changing the clocks.

From what I understand, time zones were established as a result of the fast travel over long distances that became commonplace with the development of the railroad industry. Before that, every town had their own way of measuring time. It was noon when the sun was at its highest point in the sky, and through all of human history up until the 19th century it didn't matter if noontime in one place wasn't the exact same time as noontime somewhere else hundreds of miles to the east or west. None of this mattered until it was possible to travel over those hundreds of miles in a single day ... which meant that a schedule or timetable for someone getting on a train in New York City and getting off in Chicago had to be based on a uniform "standard time."

16 posted on 11/01/2013 3:49:41 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: xrmusn

Reminds me of the city slicker who moved to the country and asked the township to remove the deer crossing road sign from near his property.


17 posted on 11/01/2013 3:49:48 PM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: Sergio

I think the entire country should be on Central Standard Time except for the two freak states.

Employers etc. could always change the time the work day started for whatever time period they wanted.


18 posted on 11/01/2013 3:50:53 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

It would be no fun for IT folks having to patch all the servers with the changes.


19 posted on 11/01/2013 3:51:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sergio

I think we should go to a 23-hour day. That would make things interesting.


20 posted on 11/01/2013 3:51:40 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Sergio
I say everybody goes GMT and to heck with the whole thing. The great part about that is that we'd have sunrise and sunset simultaneously everywhere in the world!

What's not to like?

21 posted on 11/01/2013 3:52:26 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: GeronL

Yep,

Where I live in June with DLS the sun rises ~5:30a and sets ~8:30p

without DLS it would rise ~4:30a and set ~7:30p

Whether the sun rises at 4:30 or 5:30am probably makes no difference to 99% of the people.

However, the sun setting at 8:30 vs 7:30 does have a big positive impact


22 posted on 11/01/2013 3:53:35 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Sergio
If it ain't broke don't fix it.We need uniform time keeping in this country for 1,000 different reasons.The farther you are from the equator the more your daylight hours will vary from June to December and there's no way to prevent that,short of changing the orbit of the planet.
23 posted on 11/01/2013 3:53:58 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Sergio
Daylight savings time is not wondrous for us here in Phoenix. When we tried DST, we found that starting Little League, adult softball, and other outdoor activities at 7pm meant that it was still 110 sometimes.

Besides, this sounds very much like an Obama-type drill. Let's order everyone to do it our way.

So you guys quit saying your conservatives and then come up with blather like this.
24 posted on 11/01/2013 3:54:19 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Sergio
Can't have two time zones in the US because 1 day equals 24 hours and the earth is spherical so it is 360 degrees, and 360/24=15, so there is an hour difference every 15 degrees longitude, hence the different time zones you add or subtract an hour depending on which way you are going.

The United States roughly covers 40 degrees of longitude from the west coast to the east coast so there are three time zones (2.67 actually).

25 posted on 11/01/2013 3:55:45 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: qam1

Yes, it is a controversial practice. It’s not controversial as long as you get your way, and some will whine and moan until they get it.


26 posted on 11/01/2013 3:55:46 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Sergio

Condensing to 2 time zones may be a bit aggressive, but 3 might be do-able.

And getting rid of the time change would be good.

Set it at either regular/real time or at daylight saving time and leave it alone.


27 posted on 11/01/2013 3:57:02 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: righttackle44
Besides, this sounds very much like an Obama-type drill. Let's order everyone to do it our way.

"From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish. Silence! In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check. Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now... 16 years old!"

28 posted on 11/01/2013 3:59:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sergio
There’s evidence that regularly changing sleep cycles, associated with daylight saving, lowers productivity and increases heart attacks.

While medical research shows that that's true it's silly to cite it in this argument.This fact is better used to argue against shift work...particularly shifts at night.I know..I worked for 20 years in a hospital and my first job was on the night shift.Horrendous! But when I got onto the evening shift things improved and then my seniority allowed me to get the day shift and then all was well.

The clocks are changed one hour,twice a year.At worst that causes minimal disruption to sleep cycles...and only for a day or two after each change.

29 posted on 11/01/2013 4:00:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: trisham

I don’t


30 posted on 11/01/2013 4:01:58 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I think time zones would be eliminated completely under "uniform time keeping" in this country. Just set a clock somewhere and base all of the business on that single clock. If you live on the west coast and start work an hour after sunrise in October and it happens to be 5:00 AM because the big clock in Washington or Nebraska says so, then who cares? Every business establishment and government office can set their own hours, based on the single "metric time" as you might call it. Seems to me this would make things pretty simple, right?

I suspect Daylight Savings Time was driven largely by the fact that after World War II, many of the nation's population centers lie in the easternmost areas of the time zones. I'd include New York, Boston, Philadelphia and Washington in the Eastern Time Zone and Chicago and St. Louis in the Central Time Zone. Because of this, people in those cities basically operate almost a full hour "later" than their counterparts in the western parts of the time zones. In other words, if I'm in central Indiana just east of the line between the two time zones and the sun officially rises at 6:00 AM one day, it's still 6:00 AM in New York City but the sun has been up for almost a full hour.

31 posted on 11/01/2013 4:02:50 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Perdogg

I do!


32 posted on 11/01/2013 4:04:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sergio

Anyone with a 24/7 operations, spend lots of money making sure their computer systems can handle the change.

But hey, we do it for the children.

/s


33 posted on 11/01/2013 4:05:23 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"This is an excellent idea. Abolish 2 time zones and just have an Eastern and Western Time with the Mississippi River being the equilibrium."

I always know when a poster lives east of the Mississippi when he considers the the Mississippi River the "middle" of the country. From my vantage point, that's way back east. If dividing the country into two time zones, better to do so along the 100 latitude line-- right smack down the center.

34 posted on 11/01/2013 4:05:29 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: y'all

For those that love daylight savings time, lets just set and leave the clocks that way, year round.

The US is big enough to have the four time zones, leave that alone.

Setting the clocks forward and back twice a year is annoying and stupid. How many clocks do you have?


35 posted on 11/01/2013 4:06:28 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: ottbmare
For people who work in an office, it means that during the winter months we can never be out in the light during the week. This is terrible for both mental and physical health.

So get a job working the afternoon shift - then you can have the whole morning to yourself.

Or move closer to the equator.

But if you live near the mid-latitudes (like most of North America and Europe), you must understand that there are fewer hours of daylight in winter than in summer. What're you gonna do, sue Nature?


36 posted on 11/01/2013 4:10:57 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Sergio

I liked the days when it was a local option whether to have DST or not, and for how long.

Two time zones is ridiculous..shows a glaring lack of knowledge of geography/navigation.


37 posted on 11/01/2013 4:15:10 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

That makes WAAAY too much sense. Like having just one winter and summer blend of gas for the entire country.


38 posted on 11/01/2013 4:17:56 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Sergio

I have been surprised how many people don’t know that Florida, West of the Apalachicola River is on Central Time.

I have even had people argue with me.


39 posted on 11/01/2013 4:18:07 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

Anyone who followed the 2000 Election would know that.


40 posted on 11/01/2013 4:19:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sergio

No.


41 posted on 11/01/2013 4:19:59 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq (Teresa Davis)
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To: SkyDancer

I assume you are talking about the lower 48.


42 posted on 11/01/2013 4:20:00 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: SkyDancer

+1


43 posted on 11/01/2013 4:20:09 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: canuck_conservative

Wouldn’t you think they could take a stroll outside during lunch? That’s what I did took a brown bag outside and munched on lunch while walking.


44 posted on 11/01/2013 4:20:15 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Cementjungle

I think we should have inverse logarithmic time.


45 posted on 11/01/2013 4:21:05 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: fidelis

+1.


46 posted on 11/01/2013 4:21:46 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Sergio

I’m all for two time zones, but arranged a bit differently, with a 12 hour difference between the two.

One zone would be the east and west coasts, and the second zone everything in-between.

With a 12-hour difference between these two zones, the country will get along a great deal better.

Excuse me, I have to leave to put my house up for sale. [currently live in MA]


47 posted on 11/01/2013 4:27:39 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Sergio; All

And here I thought no one was going to really care one way or the other about this. lol!


48 posted on 11/01/2013 4:33:38 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: skimbell

They sort of cobbed in one but if you look at a map you’ll see there are only three fifteen degree longitudes across the US.


49 posted on 11/01/2013 4:38:08 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: qam1

I love DST. Where we are, sun sets at 9:05 at the latest and doesn’t get dark until 9:30. It gives so much time to do things outdoors at night. I would hate to see it set an hour earlier and rise long before most people wake up. Early and late summer would have very short times with sunlight.


50 posted on 11/01/2013 4:39:20 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (-)
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