Skip to comments.Bernard Kerik on Prison: Americans Wouldn't Stand for What I Saw
Posted on 11/02/2013 7:44:44 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
As New York City police commissioner, Bernard Kerik was ultimately responsible for the incarceration of many criminals.
Now that he has seen the prison system from the inside, having served three years behind bars, he has a new appraisal of the U.S. penal system: "insane."
In his first interview since his release from prison, where he served time for tax evasion and lying to federal authorities, Kerik told NBCs Matt Lauer on the Today show Friday: "No one in the history of our country has ever been in the system with my background.
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So what’s the point of this? Prison is not supposed to be a walk in the park. It’s not supposed to be a picnic. It’s not supposed to be a vacation.
After reading it, I would say the emphasis is not on conditions but on mandatory minimums ie more mindless zero tolerance, which allows autocrats to avoid thought and accountability.
That American prisons and sentencing are ineffective as deterrents to crime is beyond doubt. Kerik is a whiner.
Kerik's crimes pale beside those of countless Democrats.
Proving once again that the Democrat Party is no longer a political party but a criminal organization with more in common with the Chicago Mob than with any political party in U.S. History
The good news about the disaster that followed is that it effectively ended Rudy Giuliani's future career in national politics.
He was convicted of tax evasion because of a scam where he had a contractor doing several hundred thousand dollars of work on his multiple homes while he was the police commissioner in New York City under Rudy Giuliani. He never paid the contractor for the work, but in lieu of this the contractor received millions of dollars in city contracts.
OK then,assuming he was,in fact,guilty I'd say that three years inside sounds pretty reasonable.One would think that a cop would be in a better position to understand what it's like inside than most and,as a result,would make it a point not to do anything that would land himself there.
Your response is a straw argument and totally misses the point of this particular person making these particular points. Unless Kerik is a lib weenie (and he is not) and unless he supports prison as a walk in the park (and he doesnt) your response was mere drive by babbling...
We have to get real here. The US has the highest rate of incarcerated citizens than *any* country in the world. We’re even higher than China and Russia. For a ‘free’ nation, that’s insane.
It’s not realistic to put a human being in a system where they’re treated like animals for a decade or two, then release them back into civilization, and expect them to become model citizens. If a prisoner’s expected to rejoin society at some point, we must prepare them for being civilized.
Mandatory minimums make as much sense as schools’ “zero tolerance” policies.
Great, becasue we wouldnt want a low tax low regulation adult who fully understands the war on terror and supports Antonin Scalia as a model for the SCOTUS having a future in politics, now would we?????
Income tax evasion has become an art form in America but the real crime is committed by federal officials whether elected or bureaucrat who contrive massive income tax avoidance schemes for fatcats. Somehow this is considered servicing constituents rather than selling out. First the congressman passes an income tax law that is virtually incomprehensible, empowers the Internal Revenue Service to pile regulation upon regulation until it is actually incomprehensible, and then rides to the rescue and provides tax breaks.
As to lying to federal officials, Barack Obama is guilty of that every time he says good morning to his secretary because he is incapable of telling the truth about anything. So we have the spectacle of federal officials lying to the public, lying to Congress, lying to each other, but not doing very much time for it.
How much time should Susan Rice do? How much time should Clapper do? How much time should Attorney General Holder him do?
Why is it illegal to lie to IRS agents or to cheat on one's taxes when the IRS has been committing blatant crimes against citizens and the administration has been blatantly lying about those crimes to protect itself?
How much time did Bill Clinton do for lying under oath and trying to fix a court case to protect his purse? We know he perjured himself because the DNA tells us so.
The lesson to be learned is that when radical leftists gain political power corruption and cronyism are inevitable and cynicism is the unavoidable stepchild as the public sees more and more corruption.
Vote for a lefty and you vote to kill the rule of law and substitute the kind of politics that we see surrounding the income tax laws. Vote for a lefty and you get a maladministration of laws nobody read and regulations no one human being can comprehend. A vote for a lefty brings us to a Third World state, a banana republic, a place where influence, cronyism and bribery are the only ways a citizen can neutralize his government and make an otherwise honest living for his family.
But Bernard Kerrick does three years.
One thing about prisons: They are islamist breeding grounds.
Mandatory sentences came about because judges were letting criminals go free, or giving very light sentences. If someone thinks a mandatory sentence is too harsh, the elected legislature can change it. But if you leave it totally up to judges, many criminals will never set foot in jail.
“emphasis is not on conditions but on mandatory minimums ie more mindless zero tolerance”
This is the same way our gubimint screwls are run! Pubic Screwls=Children’s Prison
From the minute Bush nominated Kerik the longknives came out and tried to find anything and everything to ruin him, and they succeeded. What is a damn crime is Bush not calling off the witch hunt before he left office. Kerik was going to prison the minute Obama took office.
Kerik’s crimes pale beside those of countless Democrats.
Free speech applies only to liberals, the laws apply only to us.
“The US has the highest rate of incarcerated citizens than *any* country in the world”
That’s because US has a lot of amenities in prison other countries don’t have. I was station in Sardinia in the mid 80’s and there was a prison in the town of Tempio. If your family didn’t bring you a blanket you froze! That’s extreme and don’t recommend it here but they need to be a lot strict so criminals DON’T want to go to prison.
It's actually far worse than that, but that tyranny is the foundation cornerstone of the destruction of America.
Agreed - it’s just a matter of time before my big mouth will get me convicted of a hate crime & I will be in the Big House or FEMA camp.
There’s the old 80/20 rule at play here - 20% give or take of the prison population should never be released due to their violent crimes and the 100% likelihood of repeating those crimes once back out on the streets. The other 80% need to be punished, but the punishment should fit the crime — for some, incarceration is the better option. The criminally mentally ill need treatment, but once they are out, no guarantees of them keeping up their treatment, so then what? There is a significant number of illegal aliens in our prisons, too, so I think we should send a bill to Mexico or wherever for that.
Repentance & Salvation through Jesus Christ really is the only answer for a turnaround - Chuck Colson knew that - may he RIP.
Bernard Kerik spent 3 years in Club Fed, Cumberland, MD then finished his sentence under home confinement. He makes it sound like he spent his time at Pelican Bay.
Mandatory sentencing came about to avoid race baiting. Everyone is treated the same. The first time offender with a nickel bag of cocaine and the repeat offender caught with cocaine. It’s like zero tolerance at commie schools.
In addition liberal judges and politicians were into “rehabilitation” and had zillions spent on “programs” with big city shake down artists. They would release murderers after rehab and the vast majority offended again and again. The public was being slaughtered and no one cared at all.
Had they just put mandatory sentencing on violent criminals, that was what was intended but they expanded it unjustly to prove to voter they were “tough on crime.”
Except that you usually can't do crime while in prison.
If somebody is willing to risk 5 years in jail over a nickel-sized bit of cocaine, they already have a serious deficiency in ability in figuring out the probable consequences of their actions. Nobody has been very good at fixing that problem, so just having these folks off the streets is probably the best we can do.
Fair play but if that’s the case the answer is better judges through more scrutiny, accountability, etc.
Mandatory minimums put good and bad judges on equal (inferior) footing just as zero tolerance makes robots out of school administrators.
If anything, the opposite is true. This "free" nation is free enough that people have a lot of latitude in their behavior ... and the simple truth is that a lot of people have no intention of recognizing even the most basic behavioral norms of a civilized society.
In almost any other jurisdiction in the U.S. he would have been considered a flaming Marxist.
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said, but you might want to take a good hard look at Bernard Kerik’s background before you paint him as something of a victim here.
That is not how I interpret it, no. I knew he had a rather liberal personal life, but probably would have governed rather conservatively, on terror, judges, and taxes and regulations.
To what are you referring?
Yes, it’s very discouraging and taxing for those compelled to do the right thing.
My object was not to rehabilitate Kerrick but to indict our political system which, like Kerrick, has betrayed its trust and taken us to a place of imminent peril. At least it has ceased to function as intended by the founders and as defended by patriots over the centuries.
Bernard Kerrick is no martyr but the system is hypocritical.
You must be new around here.
Certainly it wasn't a Federal "Pound Me in the A--" Prison.
Look at Charlie Rangel, - who was actually Chairman of the all-powerful Ways and Means Committee.
no, not at all .he’s not running .but I do think there was way too much emphasis on how he lived and not enough on how he governed .but that’s all an academic hypothetical now.
That's common here.
Spot on. Prison in America is a complete failure. That active gangs and Muslim terror groups function there with impunity tells you the inmates are running things. Something’s totally broken.
You are right. I knew a guy who went to prison on a gang/gun charge. He had his own room, watched television and played cards all day, plus got three square meals. It was an improvement on life outside. He felt safe there. He’d have stayed if they would have let him.
That’s the problem, isn’t it. The vast majority of criminals are bad thinkers. Just like the vast majority of welfare recipients. They are short term thinkers, hedonistic, and lacking in self-control. Prison doesn’t fix that. It just takes them out of the pool for a while.
We need a better system both for prisons and welfare.