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Scientists oppose logging bills in Congress
Associated Press ^ | Nov 2, 2013 6:22 PM EDT | Scott Sonner

Posted on 11/02/2013 4:50:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai

More than 200 biologists, ecologists and other scientists are urging Congress to defeat legislation they say would destroy critical wildlife habitat by setting aside U.S. environmental laws to speed logging of burned trees at Yosemite National Park and other national forests and wilderness areas across the West.

The experts say two measures pushed by pro-logging interests ignore a growing scientific consensus that the burned landscape plays a critical role in forest regeneration and is home to many birds, bats and other species found nowhere else. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: envirowackos; lofan; logging; yosemite

1 posted on 11/02/2013 4:50:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Scientists?

Or Pinkos with degrees after their names?


2 posted on 11/02/2013 4:54:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Olog-hai

I have a friend in a rural neighborhood where the smallest lot is five acres. Some real tree hugging hippies moved in across the street, cleared a huge number of trees and built a house. Now, they sue or call the county and complain about anybody else in the neighborhood who so much as trims a tree. (This is REAL wooded land and normal maintenance requires tree trimming.) So, people who live in houses basically built of wood are saying that nobody else can use any wood. (I’ve got mine and that’s all that counts.)


3 posted on 11/02/2013 4:56:17 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Olog-hai

I wish they would not refer to these maggots as “scientists”. They are political activists, not “scientists”. Scientist do things that involve science. These jerks are engaged in politics. “Political scientists?”


4 posted on 11/02/2013 5:03:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (All your health decisions should be between a provider bean counter and the IRS - Obama)
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To: Olog-hai

The birds, bats, and wildlife either left the area or were killed in the fire. If it is re-forested now, nothing is disturbed. Log and re-plant now.

PS I am not a scientist nor a forester....just have some common sense.


5 posted on 11/02/2013 5:29:39 PM PDT by jch10 (Shouting from the rooftop, "OBAMA LIED!!")
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To: jch10

Well, when it burned it then had nothing.

It may have critters now but they had, by definition, to come from elsewhere.

This is more like woodfolk sentimentalism than about anything else. These species likely won’t be lost. They were durable enough to get driven out and come back. My hunch is that this is probably true even for a lot of supposed endangered species (though not all). There’s nothing like a wildlife census of America. The area to be covered is too vast.


6 posted on 11/02/2013 5:39:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: jch10

In fact I will venture that normal logging will not kill off anything significant. Being overhunted for the sake of vanity, as the dodo was, will do that. If people had thought to establish dodo farms, we’d still have the dodo.


7 posted on 11/02/2013 5:42:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

The fires in Yosemite and Yellowstone were a direct result of bad forest management. There were too many trees, due to strict fire control. Either you have to let fires burn through unimpeded on a regular basis, as would happen in natural circumstances, or you have to manage forest growth through logging.

BTW, one of the best methods for good forest regeneration is clear cutting.


8 posted on 11/02/2013 5:50:52 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Olog-hai

Good grief, 200 idiots like my over-educated under-brained brother.

How hard would it be to find two hundred equally screwed-up-thinking scientists at a single university. This is like a petition of 200 republicans demanding Obama’s impeachment.


9 posted on 11/02/2013 5:52:56 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Olog-hai

What is a scientist now days?


10 posted on 11/02/2013 5:54:32 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Olog-hai

Their homes are built of lumber that comes from Home Depot and Lowes, not from priceless trees.

If everyone followed their example we wouldn’t need to cut down millions of trees every year.

/s


11 posted on 11/02/2013 5:57:54 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Olog-hai
A few years ago, the American pulp and paper industry was brought to it's knees over the EPA’s asinine and artificial dioxin regulations. Billions were spent to comply.

More dioxin will hit the water supply in these forests from the burned and charred trees than the pulp and paper industry ever put in their waste streams.

Just sayin’.....

12 posted on 11/02/2013 6:02:01 PM PDT by llevrok (Obama 2008 : "If you vote for me, you can keep your country")
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To: llevrok

The eco-morons are relentless. They have wasted more taxpayers funds and destroyed more of nature than anyone else. It would be ironic justice if a tree fell on them.


13 posted on 11/02/2013 6:07:14 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Olog-hai

“...and is home to many birds, bats and other species ...”

Corrected: and is home to many fried birds, bats and other species...


14 posted on 11/02/2013 6:07:34 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (An Administration of communists, incompetents, and the corrupt ...reminds one of FDR's brain trust.)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s not about the forests, it’s about promoting Marxism.

Pray America is Waking Up


15 posted on 11/02/2013 6:49:05 PM PDT by bray (Coming Jan 2014: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s always critical habitat, yet any real scientist will tell you that the earth’s biological history is one extinction after another. Evolution calls that a benefit. The net result of every known extinction is...nothing. Who are we to stop it?

I mean if you and I were to dine on Narwhal steaks (I suspect you’d like yours medium-well just going by your pseudonym and posting history (not a scientific study, mind you)) cut from the last living specimen, while happy children danced around a pole made from its tusk, what would happen? Would the earth suddenly end?

Sure, they’d be celebrating on the Benthic level and breeding like mad, but why shouldn’t those poor, light-starved Benthic dwellers get their chance? Who’s lookin out for them? Not your surface dwelling Watermelons, that’s for sure.


16 posted on 11/02/2013 7:03:30 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Olog-hai; george76; Grampa Dave; forester; Carry_Okie; AuntB

Timmmmmmberrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!


17 posted on 11/02/2013 9:19:17 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: Olog-hai

Why not take several severely burned out areas and harvest the remaining burned trees to see what actually happens re the recovery of the landscape?

Might take a couple of years but the results would help to prove who’s arguments are scientifically verified.


18 posted on 11/03/2013 12:57:57 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie

Our company got a call from the Stanislaw NF asking about our availability to flag and and mark 50 miles of roadside salvage. They said that they were going to cut trees within 100’ of either side of the roads - they wanted it flagged and the boundries recorded with a GPS unit. Evidently, this type of timber sale falls under a negative declaration under NEPA. Maybe that is what these nut jobs posing as scientist are protesting...

Anyway - the specs on this job are incredibly wastefull of taxpayer money. All that is needed is to simply mark the trees that are to be cut. No need to run 100 miles of flag line (ie 50’ on either side of the road) nor GPS it.

I don’t know what to think about this situation - the agencies are hamstrung by enviros and court rulings - and their employees are no longer the best and brightest. Congress needs to fix the laws at some point - but until that happens - it may be best to just disband the USFS - it is simply a waste of money.


19 posted on 11/03/2013 9:12:49 AM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester
"it may be best to just disband the USFS - it is simply a waste of money."

Yes! And Jimmy Carter's Department of Education along with the Department of Energy and even the IRS with either a flat tax or a fair tax. We must start chopping off these infernal tentacles of the rogue octopus of the overgrown US GovernMental mess!!!

20 posted on 11/03/2013 9:58:13 PM PST by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: forester

Good to see you’re still lurking here!!!


21 posted on 11/04/2013 12:01:50 PM PST by SierraWasp (Democrats these days are the "Glitches" in America's way of life and culture!!!)
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