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Sen. Graham to Introduce 20-Week Abortion Ban Bill
Newsmax ^ | Saturday, 02 Nov 2013 12:07 PM | Sandy Fitzgerald

Posted on 11/02/2013 9:41:02 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Senate Republicans, led by South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, are pushing for a federal ban on abortions after the end of the 20th week of pregnancy. …

The planned legislation, though, will face many challenges, not only from the Democratic-controlled Senate, but from some Republicans like Sen. Mike Lee, Utah, who has concerns about Congress’ authority to regulate commerce as the law’s basis. …

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 113th; 20weeks; abortion; babykillers; commerceclause; lindagraham; mikelee; scotus
Did I just walk into a parallel universe (or is it just Newsmax) . . . ? This makes Graham look more conservative and Lee more liberal.
1 posted on 11/02/2013 9:41:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

He’s just jerking off.


2 posted on 11/02/2013 9:42:31 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Olog-hai

Must be an election year.


3 posted on 11/02/2013 9:48:43 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Olog-hai

its a bit hard to believe that anybody representing the state of Utah could be against this bill


4 posted on 11/02/2013 9:48:52 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Olog-hai

Just Lindsay trying to re-establish his “cred” before 2014, I think.


5 posted on 11/02/2013 9:55:00 PM PDT by DemforBush (Leave the gun, take the catnip toy.)
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To: Olog-hai

Remember these same republicans tell us if you don’t have the votes don’t bother to fight it. He know he doesn’t have the vote, what is he trying to pull here? Pretend to fight for something he know that will never pass


6 posted on 11/02/2013 9:55:17 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Olog-hai

How long has he been in the senate? He could have proposed this when there were more votes, when there was a more vaforable scotus, and when there was a “pro-life” president. Why now? Oh I know.


7 posted on 11/02/2013 9:55:51 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Olog-hai

No, its all for show.


8 posted on 11/02/2013 9:56:17 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Vince Ferrer

Yup. This buck dancing faker is up for election in 2014. Perhaps a primary challenge too. So he is doing head fakes to the right.


9 posted on 11/02/2013 10:00:10 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Jeff Chandler

This proposed bill is just a dog & pony show by Lindsey Graham and other ‘moderate’ Republicans to divert the conservative base from the recent cave in which allows runaway federal spending & borrowing to continue. The Fed. Reserve has been tossing worthless paper dollar money out the window, yet our economy is still stalled, many are still jobless & a lot of former workers have given up and no longer look for work.

The loose money policy has only helped Wall Street [stocks & banks up] and big business [easy borrowing to juice up balance sheets instead of better sales]. Joe & Jane Peon are still struggling.


10 posted on 11/02/2013 10:02:09 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: Olog-hai

The Commerce Clause issue is a genuine one. Just as there’s no Commerce Clause ground for homicide statutes generally, there’s no Commerce Clause ground for federal anti-abortion statutes. There’s may be a 14th Amendment ground for a federal anti-abortion statute - as a deprivation of life without due process - but only in the minority of cases in which the state itself is implicated in the abortion (e.g., administered by government doctors in a government hospital).

To be wary of federal anti-abortion statutes is not to be pro-abortion, any more than those wary of federal anti-rape and federal anti-homicide statutes are advocates of rape and murder.


11 posted on 11/02/2013 10:04:49 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: Olog-hai

Perfect timing after it was released last week that his approval numbers are in free fall. I wondered what he would do to look less liberal.


12 posted on 11/02/2013 10:05:36 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: Olog-hai

As it was prior to Roe v. Wade, abortion is a state matter.


13 posted on 11/02/2013 10:10:02 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Olog-hai

Yeah? Let’s see him shut down the government to get it. What a clown.


14 posted on 11/02/2013 10:11:08 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: Olog-hai

Immoral. Unconstitutional.


15 posted on 11/02/2013 10:11:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Olog-hai
After dancing around with Barry, Reid, and McCain, for the last several years, he has to do these little tricks that he knows are going nowhere. The other progressives are letting him do this things because they know that is the way for a democrat to win in the conservative state of South Carolina.

These RINOs are so transparent.

16 posted on 11/02/2013 10:13:00 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: Olog-hai

Unless Lindsay gets a doppelganger to replace Harry Reid when he introduces the Bill it won’t make it past Reid’s Paper Shredder.

I think this is a cry for help from poor Lindsay.


17 posted on 11/02/2013 10:13:56 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Good news, Federal Funding for my Tagline has been restored. Crisis averted.)
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To: Olog-hai

Well, it is now less than 60 days before the arrival of the 2014 election year—time for Little Lindsey to pretend that he is a true conservative.

Sorry Lindsey, we’re not buying a single bit of it. You’re going down to defeat in 2014.


18 posted on 11/02/2013 10:16:29 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Oh, I misspelled Lindsey as Lindsay.

Lindsay is a girl's name right?

Quite a conundrum.

19 posted on 11/02/2013 10:16:42 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Good news, Federal Funding for my Tagline has been restored. Crisis averted.)
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To: Always A Marine
As it was prior to Roe v. Wade, abortion is a state matter.

The equal protection of the God-given, individual, unalienable right to life, is the primary raison d'etre, or reason for the existence of, all governments. In every branch. Federal and state.

This is the cornerstone principle of this free republic.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

And it is absolutely required by the supreme law of the land, our Constitution, which every officer of government, in every branch, at every level, is absolutely required to swear to support and defend:

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

20 posted on 11/02/2013 10:21:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: 4rcane

Bingo. Why all of a sudden is he proposing a bill like this? Gosh, he must have some free time on his hands - what, no media offers this week?


21 posted on 11/02/2013 10:21:28 PM PDT by Catsrus (A)
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To: Olog-hai
The constitutional criteria is not whether or not someone can feel pain. It is whether or not they are a PERSON.

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - the Fourteenth Amendment

I wonder if the Senator thinks it would be alright to pass a "law" that allowed someone to put a bullet in the heart of a paraplegic. After all, they wouldn't feel a thing, right?

Would he consider a "law" that allowed someone to kill Grandma if they gave her enough morphine first moral or constitutional? I mean, come on, she won't feel a thing.

22 posted on 11/02/2013 10:29:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: BCrago66

The supreme law of the land absolutely requires the states to provide equal protection for the individual God-given, unalienable right to life.


23 posted on 11/02/2013 10:30:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Olog-hai

Well it’s going to go nowhere, and you damn well know it, Linda, you phony a$$ lying twerp.

Nobody is buying GOP bullsh!t anymore.


24 posted on 11/02/2013 10:45:35 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Absolutely. The fact that so many conservatives think it is ok for the federal government to allow states to permit the killing of innocent persons is very disheartening.


25 posted on 11/02/2013 10:45:54 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: EternalVigilance

Well, we’re living in an age where people on the street want to support “fourth-trimester abortion” (killing newborn infants—imagine that; these monsters are actually thinking of born babies as “potential persons” rather than actual), so anything is possible.


26 posted on 11/02/2013 10:46:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: BCrago66

The Commerce Clause is no longer a limit on federal government after the Supreme Court Obamacare decision. In other words, even though Congress might not have the power to regulate abortion directly, they could always impose a million dollar penalty tax that would have to be paid if you wanted one.

Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out there is no longer any limit to federal government power.


27 posted on 11/02/2013 10:52:11 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: dennisw

If this bill had 49 votes, and needed his vote to pass, he would change his mind and vote against it.


28 posted on 11/03/2013 12:01:30 AM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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To: EternalVigilance

It’s not unconstitutional for a non-state actor to shoot and kill a paraplegic. It’s a violation of a state statute against homicide.


29 posted on 11/03/2013 12:57:26 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: upchuck

How cute - Linda’s pretending to be a conservative.


30 posted on 11/03/2013 3:42:37 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Bottomline, Lindsey Graham is a liberal. And he’s still showing the voters he supports Abortion. He’s fine with killing babies before 20 weeks, he always has been.


31 posted on 11/03/2013 4:08:14 AM PST by o2bfree (Lindsey Graham is left of South Carolina.)
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To: Olog-hai

This is the oldest trick in the Republican book. Introduce something that sounds super-conservative like a flag-burning amendment or abortion ban just before election season so the rubes back home will think he’s on their side.

These idiots think it will still work. I’ve got news for them: it ain’t 1988 anymore.


32 posted on 11/03/2013 4:25:45 AM PST by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: Olog-hai

from the “look, I’m desperate” files.

Pathetic


33 posted on 11/03/2013 4:32:20 AM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Olog-hai

WHEW! That was close! I almost thought Graham was a LIBERAL Republican!


34 posted on 11/03/2013 4:36:33 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Olog-hai

How is only conservative before a primary.


35 posted on 11/03/2013 4:40:51 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: Olog-hai

Senator Graham is padding his resume.

He introduces a law he knows will never get through Congress, must less be signed by the president, but it makes him appear to be on the conservative side.


36 posted on 11/03/2013 4:52:29 AM PST by TomGuy (.)
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To: Olog-hai

NO granmesty is just doing his campaign ramp up, just like lamar alexander RINO from TH. VOTE JOE CARR, TN state Legislator, conservative, TN Eagle Forum approved, Right to Life, NRA, and Tea Party. Send lamar packing to play with his great grands, he’s been at the government tit nearly his entire life. RINO to the left to boot.


37 posted on 11/03/2013 5:19:25 AM PST by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: Olog-hai

This is on page 4 of the RINO strategy guide. Rubio brought up abortion in the middle of peddling amnesty with his Gang buddies when he saw the polls turning against him.

I agree with Lee. Either we believe in Federalism or we don’t. If our position when facing the opposition is that the commerce clause shouldn’t be abused and distorted to oppose things like guns, etc....we need to be consistent and not try to use it because it is an issue that we find favorable.

Leave it to the States. The Feds don’t have to (nor are they supposed to) weigh in on every issue. That’s what Federalism is about.


38 posted on 11/03/2013 5:43:00 AM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Olog-hai
Linda... I applaud your temporary conservative change but knowing that you are just a progressive, scheming fudge-packer... I am working and donating to send you into the unemployment pit forever.
39 posted on 11/03/2013 5:52:53 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Olog-hai
Did I just walk into a parallel universe

No, it's just an election year. Time for Linda to pretend he's a conservative again.

40 posted on 11/03/2013 5:55:08 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

AHEM!!
*tapping tiny foot*


41 posted on 11/03/2013 6:11:42 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: Slings and Arrows; alarm rider; Alex1977; at bay; Babsig; BILL_C; bnelson44; ColdOne; DesScorp; ...
Thanks for the ping. linda will never be cute, so matter how hard she tries. Liberal meggaRINO all the way.

Uber RINO Lindsey Ping
"Republican by day, Democrat by night."


Want on or off this ping list?
Just FReepmail me


42 posted on 11/03/2013 6:35:21 AM PST by upchuck (I've got maternity care via Obamacare! Now, if I could just figure out how a male gets pregnant...)
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To: BCrago66

The state is constitutionally-required to have that statute, one that provides equal protection for every person.

To fulfill the primary reason for being of government, all government.


43 posted on 11/03/2013 6:38:40 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Olog-hai
Realted, also from Newsmax:

Cruz, Rubio Pushing 20-Week Abortion Ban Bill in Senate

44 posted on 11/03/2013 6:42:21 AM PST by upchuck (I've got maternity care via Obamacare! Now, if I could just figure out how a male gets pregnant...)
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To: LUV W

LOL. Okay, okay.

I’ll go sit in the corner. :)


45 posted on 11/03/2013 6:46:59 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Heh-heh!


46 posted on 11/03/2013 6:52:14 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Unless Lindsay gets a doppelganger to replace Harry Reid when he introduces the Bill it won’t make it past Reid’s Paper Shredder.
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Little Lindsey KNOWS that as does the RINO dominated Republican Leadership in the Senate. The GOPe & the RINO establishment are trying to throw Lindsey a lifeline. That’s why they put him down as the “leader” introducing this bogus “legislation” which they KNOW (as the duplicitous Little Lindsey also knows) is going nowhere.

Little Lindsey, as despicable as ever and as disrespectful of conservatives as ever. Let’s get rid of this creature in 2014.


47 posted on 11/03/2013 8:09:55 AM PST by House Atreides ( D)
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To: Olog-hai
FLOP SWEAT. Grahamnesty is pretending to be conservative. He's scared to death of Lee Bright's primary challenge.

He has chosen to make toothless threats about an abortion bill and Benghazi witnesses to appear to be a tough conservative. KABUKI THEATRE.

48 posted on 11/04/2013 4:47:34 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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