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‘Snowden testimony would be a disaster’
Deutsche Welle ^ | 11/02/2013 | Gero Schließ

Posted on 11/02/2013 10:38:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai

“It would be a disaster for American-German relations if Snowden came to Germany and publicly testified before the Bundestag.” What Green MP Christian Ströbele ultimately is hoping for after his surprise visit with Edward Snowden in Moscow would be a nightmare for Stephen Szabo of the German Marshall Fund, as well for the Obama administration.

The relationship between the two countries is headed towards “a deep, downward spiral,” says Szabo. This must be stopped. If Snowden were to come to Germany with official blessing, the situation would escalate further, warns the long-time Germany expert and vice-president of the German Marshall Fund in Washington. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allies; bho44; bnd; edwardsnowden; espionage; eussr; merkel; nsa; snowden; ursulathevk; zot
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1 posted on 11/02/2013 10:38:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Meaning, it would be a great disaster for the Lightbringer.

Why do Democrats constantly lie?
2 posted on 11/02/2013 10:42:12 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Olog-hai

Let the chips fall where they may. I hope Snowden testifies. NSA mass data collection on Americans is beyond the pale.


3 posted on 11/02/2013 10:44:20 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Olog-hai

Snowden should establish a VLOG , a video blog, and just go on camera ,with whatever he has got , and let um have it .
Let the Bundes dudes come to him , put it out there for the world to hear . I cannot believe that more whistle blowers do not VLOG the heck out of whatever they have to say . Don’t they know?


4 posted on 11/02/2013 10:45:29 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: 98ZJ USMC

IMHO Snowden works for the lightbringer /s I use that word sarcastically.

This guy is worse than a mole.


5 posted on 11/02/2013 10:47:17 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Olog-hai

He’ll say that US intelligence was skimming vast amounts of private data, and everyone will stand around shocked, SHOCKED, that gambling was going on.


6 posted on 11/02/2013 10:48:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: 98ZJ USMC

Must be because they are of their father, and their father’s lusts they do; they don’t want to abide in the truth.


7 posted on 11/02/2013 10:48:44 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Obama and Snowden are destroying our intel

Every day I wake up and harpies are squawking.


8 posted on 11/02/2013 10:52:42 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: 98ZJ USMC

“the Lightbringer”

Lol. The one thing I’ll ever give Obamafruit any credit for is that he’s been endlessly fun to nickname.


9 posted on 11/02/2013 10:53:16 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: dennisw
Let the chips fall where they may. I hope Snowden testifies. NSA mass data collection on Americans is beyond the pale.

Snowden is an Obama tool.

When they get done with the military, the CIA, the NSA, religion, education, science, government... there won' be anything left to believe in.

The they can build their Utopia.

10 posted on 11/02/2013 10:58:12 PM PDT by IncPen (When you start talking about what we 'should' have, you've made the case for the Second Amendment)
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To: mylife
"IMHO Snowden works for the lightbringer /s I use that word sarcastically."

BINGO! He is an agent on behalf of the other agent. He baited Americans with cries of 'domestic spying' then dropped the hammer on our activities abroad to undermine ALL of our allied relationships.

11 posted on 11/02/2013 11:03:18 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Olog-hai
In order to understand the Germans you must understand what the STASI did to the people of East Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall. “The Lives of Others” is a must see film. Spying is always all about politics, no matter what anyone says.
12 posted on 11/02/2013 11:08:04 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: mylife

He works for somebody and I’m not certain who. What is happening is beyond conscience and whistle blower.


13 posted on 11/02/2013 11:09:17 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Olog-hai

http://www.amazon.com/The-Lives-Others-Martina-Gedeck/dp/B000V4NX04/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383459070&sr=8-1&keywords=the+lives+of+others


14 posted on 11/02/2013 11:12:21 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: IncPen

That isn’t how it works. Societies like that cannot survive, especially if they provoke God.


15 posted on 11/02/2013 11:12:24 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Irenic

Something is afoot.


16 posted on 11/02/2013 11:14:11 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

This is my suspicion.

All this is much to public to take seriously.


17 posted on 11/02/2013 11:15:56 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I had to give Putin a hat tip the other week.

He used old KGB tactics to bug the G20.

He gave them the old trojan horse


18 posted on 11/02/2013 11:19:41 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Aye.


19 posted on 11/02/2013 11:21:10 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: mylife
IMHO Snowden works for the lightbringer /s I use that word sarcastically.

Hint: the lightbringer is named Barack Hussein Obama!

Snowden undermines the lightbringer. The enemy of my enemy is my friend!

Last November, the sheeple screwed up big time. We now have three years to rub their noses in it! That's where Snowden comes in ...


20 posted on 11/02/2013 11:22:46 PM PDT by cynwoody
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Am I to believe that the top 20 leaders in the word are dopes?


21 posted on 11/02/2013 11:23:29 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: cynwoody

Obama is my foe, but I am not casting kisses on Snowden


22 posted on 11/02/2013 11:27:00 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: IncPen
When they get done with the military, the CIA, the NSA, religion, education, science, government... there won' be anything left to believe in.

Anybody who believes in the official versions of the above is a tool.

We have to smash the hallowed institutions and build our own Utopia from there. It will require preternatural gifts of persuasion. We'll need many such in 2014 and 2016!

23 posted on 11/02/2013 11:31:19 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Snowden is doing a lot to dismantle our intel and Obama gets no responsibility in the game.
Snowden is singing like a canary, and Obama acts like Sgt Shultz, he knows nothing

I am calling BS


24 posted on 11/02/2013 11:31:45 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Agreed.


25 posted on 11/02/2013 11:37:42 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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Somebody has pictures of the goat.


26 posted on 11/02/2013 11:37:48 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife
Obama is my foe, but I am not casting kisses on Snowden

His Twitter feed is schizophrenic. Definately one of a kind. Ranting about the farm and being trained to resist scopolamine, ragging on Alex Jones etc. He's right about the NSA clustermating but I think he's a right red little fellow.

27 posted on 11/02/2013 11:41:06 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: mylife
Snowden is doing a lot to dismantle our intel and Obama gets no responsibility in the game. Snowden is singing like a canary, and Obama acts like Sgt Shultz, he knows nothing

Even the American Sheeple are not so stupid as to knowingly elect Sgt Shultz as their President.

It can only be good for them to come to realize, in the fullness of time, that that's more or less what they did last November!

Obama's mission all along has been to take the United States down a peg or two.

The problem, of course, is that, absent a wave of international approbation (which Snowden is helping to torpedo), he thereby takes himself down a peg or two. Or three.

Couldn't happen to a nicer Chicagoan (glad I don't live there anymore).

28 posted on 11/02/2013 11:41:58 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Jet Jaguar

I honestly believe Obama has moles in the intel community and that he is using the tools even as he is dismantling the tools so that the next guy cant get his hands on them..

purely conjecture on my part, and partly a wild socially scientific guess


29 posted on 11/02/2013 11:44:23 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: cynwoody

THEY ELECTED HIM TWICE


30 posted on 11/02/2013 11:45:22 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: dennisw

CISPA - Internet Spy Bill Exposed

Brother Nathanael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdp3-3Lmlrs

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NSA’s Jewish Spy Masters

Brother Nathanael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsAIG9W3iE4

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Has Jewry Infiltrated The Local Police?

Brother Nathanael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq6bKp_sMdM

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Confessions Of A Former Jew

Brother Nathanael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ0qYBpIplY


31 posted on 11/02/2013 11:45:35 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: mylife

CISPA - Internet Spy Bill Exposed

Brother Nathanael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdp3-3Lmlrs


32 posted on 11/02/2013 11:47:43 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: mylife

“Am I to believe that the top 20 leaders in the word are dopes?”

Yes. Can you point to one who isn’t? I can think of possibly 2 exceptions, but the rest? Dopes isn’t a strong enough epithet.


33 posted on 11/02/2013 11:49:18 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Towanda! Charge!!! A Fuwappiduh is called for in 5, 4, 3 ,2.....Dang, that was awesome, Dudes......)
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To: Stentor

It looks like the point of his “scopolamine” Tweet was to say that you might be labeled a terrorist for saying something like that.

I think Snowden is a libertarian. They look schizophrenic to either a liberal or a conservative, because half their positions come from the other side of the aisle. But I’ve never believed there can be only two “sane” political philosophies. To me, conservatism is the least ideological philosophy, because it primarily looks at actual results and bases its positions on common sense and practicality. Both liberals and libertarians get caught up in “bumper sticker” beliefs and try to reshape reality to fit their beliefs instead of focusing on what actually works.


34 posted on 11/02/2013 11:53:44 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
It was the Jews?!!


35 posted on 11/02/2013 11:54:09 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: MestaMachine

Well that is a hard pill to swallow.


36 posted on 11/02/2013 11:55:27 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
BINGO! He is an agent on behalf of the other agent. He baited Americans with cries of 'domestic spying' then dropped the hammer on our activities abroad to undermine ALL of our allied relationships.

Isn't it a much simpler theory to believe that he is simply against spying on any average citizen or ally, i.e. anyone who is not known to be a threat to us? I don't agree with him on spying on foreign government officials, I think we should do that. But this is a dog-and-pony show between the allies anyway. Every ally knows they're being spied on by us, and they're doing the same thing to us. Their faux shock at it is just for domestic consumption and part of the game.

37 posted on 11/02/2013 11:57:14 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Brother Kapner is freak.

And so are you for posting those links!

38 posted on 11/02/2013 11:58:39 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: JediJones

I think you make sense.


39 posted on 11/02/2013 11:58:55 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: cynwoody

Prepare For Martial Law
Brother Nathanael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3fz4MPwnJE


40 posted on 11/02/2013 11:59:34 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: JediJones

Obama has escalated surveillance 4 fold and he started with the American people.

Obama loves him some spys, but of course he knows NOTHING


41 posted on 11/03/2013 12:02:42 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: JediJones

To me, conservatism is the least ideological philosophy, because it primarily looks at actual results and bases its positions on common sense and practicality. Both liberals and libertarians get caught up in “bumper sticker” beliefs and try to reshape reality to fit their beliefs instead of focusing on what actually works.


Some very good thinking points. But I have encountered many ideological conservatives who do not understand human nature and practicality. Yes, I saw the word least.


42 posted on 11/03/2013 12:03:34 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Olog-hai

I imagine Merkel will tell Bammy to take a long walk off a short Kenyan pier.


43 posted on 11/03/2013 12:04:10 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: MestaMachine; mylife

Frank Dashwood on Jeopardy... THE DAILY DOUBLE... category: world leaders...

“This country has a 13% flat tax, no capital gains tax, soldiers on their borders, and no fággots in their army...”

I’ll go with - who is Vladimir Putin? - for the win Alex...


44 posted on 11/03/2013 12:05:37 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Olog-hai

We have a winner regarding John 8:44

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A44&version=KJV


45 posted on 11/03/2013 12:05:55 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: cynwoody

46 posted on 11/03/2013 12:09:11 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: mylife
It was the Jews?!!

According to the Wikipedia, Wild-eyed Cindy is RC.

47 posted on 11/03/2013 12:10:34 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: F15Eagle

Why I Left Judaism

Brother Nathanael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGTp1Q162Gw


48 posted on 11/03/2013 12:13:02 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: PeterPrinciple

Which part of their ideology do you think conflicts with human nature or practicality? Conservatives obviously don’t completely agree on the details of implementing their idelogy, e.g. the fair tax vs. the flat tax. But the idea of lower taxes and smaller government is based on years of observation about what seems to most benefit an economy. Likewise we support constitutional principles because they worked to make us the most successful country in the world. I think conservatism is more tuned to human nature than any other political philosophy.


49 posted on 11/03/2013 12:13:35 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Fair enough, but how did we get here?

And how do we get America to a 10% flat tax??

There is only one way, and Obama knows this
You have to make the old system collapse.

Alinsky and Obama went a step further.

They said use the system to BREAK the System.

That is what they are up to

Ted Cruz is use the system to DEFEND the system, and here is the real rub, the moles in the system are fighting him from our side of the aisle

I am taking notes while Ted gets the cockraoches running.


50 posted on 11/03/2013 12:17:41 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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