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ObamaCare Widening Disconnect
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Saturday, November 2, 2013 | Salena Zito

Posted on 11/03/2013 9:30:50 AM PST by kristinn

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It is staggering to consider that, within a brisk walk of each other, so much money, power and influence is amassed — and even more staggering to consider the impact these have on our lives.

Those lives are not anecdotes but knee-weakening realities, as in the case of Genevieve Ward of Belle Vernon.

Her insurance company informed her last week that ObamaCare would force her out of her existing plan, leaving a sad choice: reduced benefits or increased costs.

The 84-year-old widow, whose husband worked at now-defunct Wheeling-Pittsburgh Steel, saw her payment for out-of-pocket expenses go from $3,400 to $6,700; the copay cost for a hospital stay went from zero to $200 a day.

“I think it's terrible. They shouldn't be canceling what I have,” she said. “They are raising my prices and taking away privileges.” She and her friends were so distraught that they skipped their weekly card club, she said.

Ward's letter contradicts President Obama's repeated promise that, if you like your doctor and your health-care plan, you could keep it, “Period.”

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Our relationship with government is in shambles, our feeling of disconnect with Washington at an historic level.

Yet the real problem is not a health-care website that doesn't work. The real problem is a president and a Washington culture which both believe it is OK to lie to get a bill passed.

There is no connection between such behavior and the values of most Americans beyond Washington, for whom getting what you want usually results from hard work, honest bargaining and a little compromise.

(Excerpt) Read more at triblive.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; zerocare; zito

1 posted on 11/03/2013 9:30:50 AM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

I’m wondering about her deductible.


2 posted on 11/03/2013 9:36:37 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

She should worry more about death panels.


3 posted on 11/03/2013 9:40:24 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kristinn

There was another regime that thought it was OK to lie. In fact, they knew they could get away with it because the populous often tells small ones....


4 posted on 11/03/2013 9:41:15 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: kristinn

this could turn in a political tidal wave by nov 2014 ... obama needs a terrorist nuke attack to save his political hide more than ... we are all clearly quite expendable by the black hitler .....


5 posted on 11/03/2013 9:44:24 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: kristinn
Thomas Jefferson:

"We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors would all become wolves."

Jefferson and the other Founders believed that teaching the ideas of liberty to upcoming generations was essential to preparing them for being attentive guardians of their freedom. The same ideology which rules us today is the one that removed the teaching of the founding ideas from the curriculum of the schools: thus, an "inattentive" voter base.

When the "wolves" call the shots, "the People" become the prey!

6 posted on 11/03/2013 9:51:54 AM PST by loveliberty2
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7 posted on 11/03/2013 9:58:09 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: kristinn

So far today on Free Republic......

Washington Post
New York Times
Boston Globe
Pittsburgh Tribune

Obamacare and Obama......... under the bus

The Washington Post was all in. The others didn’t throw quite as hard

The precedent is set for everybody to jump on the bandwagon. Those involved have begun heavy duty CYA. The minions are now permitted to cover theirs. The blame goes up. It stops in the ether where there is no President, no reality.


8 posted on 11/03/2013 10:00:08 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: kristinn

She’s 84 so presumably on Medicare. I thought Obamacare would have basically no effect on Medicare recipients. Would someone enlighten me?


9 posted on 11/03/2013 10:18:53 AM PST by Eagle Forgotten
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Not all older people made the 40-quarter eligibility for Medicare before they left the workforce.


10 posted on 11/03/2013 10:24:44 AM PST by grania
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To: grania

There is a way around all of this. It is called the 10 dollar rule.

My insurance company pays whatever they pay and I give the doctor 10 dollars a month until its paid. I stay out of collections, the doctor gets paid by insurance and I am still fulfilling my obligation.

Eventually doctors are either going to leave the profession or something will have to be done to increase doctors compensation. Best way to do that is to cut their insurance premium and force tort laws to change. If we can add in buying insurance across state lines, Obamcare dies on the vine.


11 posted on 11/03/2013 10:33:08 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Yes...I am sure the communists are setting that into motion now.


12 posted on 11/03/2013 10:35:09 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Could be her ‘medigap’ insurance.

BTW, it should be obvious now why Obama pushed out the employer mandate. If these same rules are applied to private company insurance, then another hundred million or so cancellations will happen in 2015. Obama didn’t want that prior to 2014 elections.


13 posted on 11/03/2013 10:41:57 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: grania

Are you saying you have to be SocSec eligible to get Medicare?
Isn’t the 40 q the SocSec requirement?


14 posted on 11/03/2013 10:46:11 AM PST by nascarnation (Frequently wrong but rarely in doubt....)
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To: kristinn

Medicare without a Supplemental Plan is 80/20.

What am I missing here?


15 posted on 11/03/2013 10:50:00 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Good news, Federal Funding for my Tagline has been restored. Crisis averted.)
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To: kristinn
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I wonder if Fat Mikey Moore's girlfriend still wants to burn this M.....F..... down. (Beware: Commie liberal 'RAT lingo used. Viewer discretion advised.)

16 posted on 11/03/2013 10:54:34 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (All your health decisions should be between a provider bean counter and the IRS - Obama)
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To: nascarnation

If you are eligible for Social Security you are eligible for Medicare. If you are not eligible for SS then in a few instances you can get Medicare but not always. If not on SS then you have to apply and they determine if you are eligible. If you are on Social Security Disability you can get Medicare but there is a 2 year wait.


17 posted on 11/03/2013 10:54:57 AM PST by Tammy8
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To: kristinn
“I think it's terrible. They shouldn't be canceling what I have,” she said. “They are raising my prices and taking away privileges.” She and her friends were so distraught that they skipped their weekly card club, she said.

They, as retirees, have assets. They will be assessed to pay for the navigators, 16k new IRS agents, bureaucrats, and to subsidize the uninsured. She should have seen it coming.

18 posted on 11/03/2013 11:32:11 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: nascarnation
I just did some checking. Medicare started in 1966 and it takes 40 quarters of paying in to get part A for free. For those over 65 who've lived in the US for at least five years, they can get part A but it isn't free and they can also get the other parts, which aren't free for anyone.

So there still are some people around who don't have medicare, because they went to private companies instead if they didn't have their 40 quarters paid in.

Medicare Part B and the Pharmaceutical Program are actually a bit pricey for people who don't use much medical care. I could see where a person might prefer a catastrophic policy with a high deductible instead.

19 posted on 11/03/2013 11:38:55 AM PST by grania
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To: kristinn

Your president lied to you. He knew he couldn’t seize the power he so desperately wanted if you knew the truth.

The Senators and Representatives in his party lied to you as well.

And none of them care about your pain. They got what they wanted.

There were many people out here shouting the truth to you, but you didn’t listen. These people were dismissed as nuts. They were the ones warning you of the disaster being created by Barack Hussein Obama.

People will have their lives ruined. Some will lose their lives or the lives of their loved ones.

It’s going to get much worse. Much worse.


20 posted on 11/03/2013 11:46:30 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: kristinn
Our relationship with government is in shambles, our feeling of disconnect with Washington at an historic level.

Oh, I don't think I feel "disconnected" from Washington .... there are far more descriptive words that can be used to describe the anger and rage I have at the current Government (R's and D's alike.)

I imagine it's similar to that which our Founding Fathers experienced shortly before they broke out the tar, feathers and rope I imagine.

21 posted on 11/03/2013 11:51:09 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: grania

Thanks for the info.
I went on Medicare this year @ 65 but I’m 19 yrs younger than the woman in the story.


22 posted on 11/03/2013 12:07:49 PM PST by nascarnation (Frequently wrong but rarely in doubt....)
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To: grania

I don’t think 40 quarters is required for Medicare, as long as you pay into it while you’re working.


23 posted on 11/03/2013 12:38:03 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Signalman

40 quarters is required to get Part A for free. With less than 40 quarters, as long as they’ve lived in the US for five years, they can get Medicare, the only difference being that Part A is not free for them. (source...Wikipedia)


24 posted on 11/03/2013 12:52:56 PM PST by grania
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To: kristinn
The 84-year-old widow, whose husband worked at now-defunct Wheeling-Pittsburgh Steel, saw her payment for out-of-pocket expenses go from $3,400 to $6,700; the copay cost for a hospital stay went from zero to $200 a day.

Doesn't she have Social Security?

25 posted on 11/03/2013 1:08:48 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Thanks to the several Freepers who explained the Medicare eligibility point for me!


26 posted on 11/03/2013 1:10:52 PM PST by Eagle Forgotten
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To: kristinn
The real problem is a president and a Washington culture which both believe it is OK to lie to get a bill passed.
ia The real problem is that “the press” coalesced into a Borg when the Associated Press formed and took over journalism. The consequence of which is nicely predicted by Adam Smith:      
People of the same trade [in this case, journalists] seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion [let alone for the express purpose of cooperating in their conduct of business], but the conversation ends [in the case of journalists, runs continuously for over a century and a half, and counting] in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary. - Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations (Book I, Ch 10)
Wire service journalism is a conspiracy against the public, specifically a conspiracy against anyone whose accomplishments compare favorably with the mere criticism of journalists. And in favor of politicians who cooperate with journalism in their criticism behavior. Comfortably ensconced in their monopoly position, journalists for the wire services - and for member newspapers of the wire services - label politicians who don’t go along to get along with them “comfortable,” and glory in “afflicting” them. Which also afflicts the public which is represented by those politicians.

27 posted on 11/03/2013 1:55:12 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: kristinn

She can always exhaust her resources and be enrolled in state Medicaid.

Which is the intent of Obamacare - single payer is in your future.


28 posted on 11/03/2013 4:36:22 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: kristinn

http://moneymorning.com/ext/obamacare/video.php?promo=PMMRPA09&popup=false&src=mf


29 posted on 11/03/2013 4:58:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: kristinn
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30 posted on 11/03/2013 7:15:10 PM PST by HotHunt
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