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The Health Insurance Death Spiral
Townhall.com ^ | November 4, 2013 | Political Calculations

Posted on 11/04/2013 7:40:13 AM PST by Kaslin

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Let's suppose for a moment that you actually could buy health insurance through Obamacare's state and federal government-run exchanges. How high would your health care expenses have to be to really justify buying that kind of insurance?

Healthcare.gov site down - Source: http://issa.house.gov/district-blog/2013/10/8-cats-who-called-1-800-obamacare-but-still-couldnt-get-healthcare-3/

Previously, when we asked if you even need health insurance, we identified a number of situations where having health insurance would be most beneficial to you (Sean Parnell adds to that discussion here). All the scenarios came down to one basic reality: buying health insurance is most worth doing when you can reasonably expect to have high health care expenses in the next year.

So today, we're going to identify the level of health expenses you would have to have before you could obtain the maximum benefit of having health insurance - when you reach your annual limit for out-of-pocket expenses! This is the level at which all your major health care expenses beyond that point would be paid for through your insurance coverage.

Just enter or select the appropriate data in our tool below, and we'll give you better information than you could ever hope to get from the dysfunctional Healthcare.gov web site! Also, before you go any further, if you're reading this article on a site that republishes our RSS news feed, please click here to access a working version of this tool!

Note: Per President Obama's choice to deny consumers the protection of an out-of-pocket limit for insured health care expenses in 2014, you may want to enter a very large number like $1 million for this figure. The other figures may apply in 2015, unless President Obama once again chooses to favor the interests of his crony insurance corporations over consumers.

Also, this particular tool is focused on what you actually pay for your consumption of health care services, but it doesn't consider what you pay in health insurance premiums. You'll want to add your annual out-of-pocket expenses for these to the total above to get a good sense of what you're really going to be paying out in the name of health care.

Finally, if you know you're going to have the expenses, you may find it more beneficial to opt for a higher level plan. We tried it using data for a 27-year old non-smoker in Chicago for Humana's Connect Bronze (Deductible $6,300, Out-of-Pocket Limit $6,300, Monthly Premium $190.49), Connect Silver (Deductible $4,600, Out-of-Pocket Limit $6,300, Monthly Premium $216.03) and Connect Gold (Deductible $2,500, Out-of-Pocket Limit $5,000, Monthly Premium $248.74) plans.

Nerdwallet: Obamacare Death Spiral

Here, using the same $7,500 in expected health care expenses, the Bronze plan required our hypothetical 27 year-old pay for 84% ($6,300) of those costs out of pocket, the Silver plan required they pay for 72.9% ($5,470), while the Gold plan held the out-of-pocket cost down to 46.7% ($3,500). These figures all assume that the annual out-of-pocket limit specified for each plan would apply and not be overruled by President Obama's waiver of those limits for health insurance providers.

Adding in the annual costs of each metal plan's unsubsidized premiums, the Bronze plan imposed the highest cost of $8,585.88, the Silver plan was the next highest at $8,062.36 and the Gold plan was the least costly at $6,484.88. What this result suggests is that people who expect to incur large health care costs in the next year will very likely opt for more generous levels of coverage when they do buy health insurance on the Obamacare exchanges.

Meanwhile, for people who don't expect to consume much health care, they would benefit by paying much less for a plan that provides less generous coverage, even though they might face a huge cost gap before they would have any real benefit in having health insurance. Assuming they don't choose to save even more money by not buying any health insurance at all and are willing to take a pass on the very small savings associated with Obamacare's health insurance subsidy tax credit.

That's really a recipe for sticking insurers with higher costs imposed by the most ravenous health care consumers without any offsetting revenue to cover those costs from insuring healthier individuals. They will have to respond by increasing their premiums or increasing the deductibles and restrictions on their policies to compensate, making them even less desirable to buy, except only for those who expect to have high health care expenses.

And that's the death spiral that awaits health insurance consumers and insurers in 2015 and beyond - even if consumers actually could buy health insurance through Obamacare's state and federal government-run exchanges today.

Image Credit: Nerdwallet, where Amelia Granger did a fine job in describing the Obamacare death spiral almost exactly one year before it began!

Previously on Political Calculations



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 0bamacaretrainwreck; abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; zerocare

1 posted on 11/04/2013 7:40:14 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I hope Obamacare is the 1st victim of the Death panels.


2 posted on 11/04/2013 7:43:28 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

It definitely needs to be


3 posted on 11/04/2013 7:46:39 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
the consensus around here is that Obamacare is nearly dead on arrival




4 posted on 11/04/2013 7:47:20 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: Kaslin

Designed to put the health insurance industry out of business and deliver Single Payer. Denis Kucinich would never have voted for it otherwise.

If it fails to do that it will only because Democrats are soiling their BVD’s over the consequences.


5 posted on 11/04/2013 7:52:08 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MeshugeMikey

haha

lol


6 posted on 11/04/2013 7:52:47 AM PST by GeronL
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To: MeshugeMikey

lmao


7 posted on 11/04/2013 7:54:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Bttt lol


8 posted on 11/04/2013 7:56:14 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

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9 posted on 11/04/2013 8:00:20 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: rcrngroup

Save!


10 posted on 11/04/2013 9:02:04 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Kaslin

The only reason we are in this mess is because the American people have come to believe that someone else should pay their medical bills.

Listen up! TANSTAAFL

Insurance companies are for-profit enterprises with employees, payrolls and benefits to support. They have stock holders to answer to and operating expenses in addition to claims they must pay out.

An insurance company works on the same principle as a casino. They know that the odds are that you will pay more in premiums than they will pay out in benefits. While an occasional individual may hit the jackpot or get a comped room or meal, overall, the house always comes out the winner.

If this were not so, casinos and insurance companies would not exist. Therefore it follows that WHEN this is not so, the casino/insurance company must cease to exist. No law enacted by congress can change this. But it CAN force the casino out of business by passing laws and enacting regulations that make it no longer profitable to operate.

My parents new how to deal with health care. In those days health insurance was not common as it is now. Mom and Dad put away 10% of their income “For a rainy day”, had a personal relationship with the family doctor and paid in cash for services rendered. Doesn’t that sound strange to 21st century sensibilities? It would never have occurred to them that someone else, let alone the government, should pay.


11 posted on 11/04/2013 12:47:59 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Kaslin

Govt ‘Markets’ = theft


12 posted on 11/04/2013 9:40:48 PM PST by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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