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Team Obama grabs the pitchforks (Insurance vs. Obama. Grab the popcorn)
fox news ^ | 11/4/2013 | Chris Stirewalt

Posted on 11/04/2013 10:51:46 AM PST by tobyhill

Edited on 11/04/2013 10:53:08 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

TEAM OBAMA GRABS THE PITCHFORKS - The partnership between President Obama and big health insurance companies is under some serious strain as administration talking points suggest a populist pitch in a bid to resuscitate the president’s floundering new entitlement program. Ezekiel Emanuel, the leading architect of ObamaCare insisted on “Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace” that Obama isn’t to blame for millions of cancelled policies, premium spikes and other disruptions. “The insurance decides how to make money. When the private companies decide to drop an individual, you blame Obama. He isn’t responsible for that,” said Emanuel, brother to former White House Chief of Staff turned Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel.


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1 posted on 11/04/2013 10:51:46 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Zeke acted like an hysterical lunatic.


2 posted on 11/04/2013 10:53:32 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: tobyhill
“The insurance decides how to make money.”

this is an alien concept to a neo-Marxist redistributionist.

3 posted on 11/04/2013 10:54:09 AM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: tobyhill

Dumb insurance companies. They thought they were getting special perks from Bambi in exchange for giving up their business and getting guaranteed government business. Little did they know that this was but a prelude to getting rid of them altogether.

Sorry, guys... Under the bus with you.


4 posted on 11/04/2013 10:59:42 AM PST by livius
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Zeke is the architect of a cold calculating set of healthcare delivery directives based on the value of a human life to be “productive” to the state

in rationing care, both the old and the very young are expendable first

he and Goebbels would have been collegial pals


5 posted on 11/04/2013 11:00:59 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: tobyhill

Insurance Kapos will be at the front of the Shower Line.


6 posted on 11/04/2013 11:02:27 AM PST by Uncle Miltie ( "I was all for Obamacare, until I found out I was paying for it." - California Girl)
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To: livius

Seems their greed got the best of them.
Had they been historians, they would see how these fascist arrangements always work out.

When they go bad, their government “partner” never takes the blame.


7 posted on 11/04/2013 11:02:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: tobyhill
I wonder if this has happened at a White Haus meeting yet:

http://youtu.be/i51lXfc2zDw

8 posted on 11/04/2013 11:03:07 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: PATRIOT1876

9 posted on 11/04/2013 11:03:38 AM PST by caww
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Zeke’s “Complete Lives” system

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf

obama’s rationer-in-chief
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676


10 posted on 11/04/2013 11:04:11 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: tobyhill

11 posted on 11/04/2013 11:05:45 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: tobyhill

Didn’t Zeke say that insurers were wanting to exit the individual market?


12 posted on 11/04/2013 11:07:48 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: All

The insurance companies heard “30 million new customers” and sold their souls to the devil.
They were betting that they could just cancel the plans and people would flock to higher premium plans but now reality has kicked in and they now realize those people they just kicked off aren’t coming back. They will have a net loss of real paying customers now.


13 posted on 11/04/2013 11:08:35 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

14 posted on 11/04/2013 11:12:03 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: caww

That number of cancellations is only from 5 states. Wait till the full tally is known!


15 posted on 11/04/2013 11:12:12 AM PST by Shannon
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To: tobyhill

Paging Harry and Louise....


16 posted on 11/04/2013 11:13:02 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: tobyhill

At some point they will be pulling pitchforks outta their behinds................


17 posted on 11/04/2013 11:15:02 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: silverleaf

Funny..I always though Rahm looked like Goebbels. But this brother of his is a total insane idiot. Too bad they didn’t let him speak more or get interviews on air back in 2009/10


18 posted on 11/04/2013 11:15:13 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: livius
To be fair, Boxer didn't see it coming either...


19 posted on 11/04/2013 11:16:27 AM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: caww

When the number of policy cancellations exceeds the original number of uninsured that Obamacare was supposed to help, that is when we need to go on a media offensive.


20 posted on 11/04/2013 11:17:47 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: tobyhill

The statement by Emanuel is false. In a letter sent to my Congressman prior to the passage of the Act and therefore prior to the HHS regulations which define “change” for purposes of the grandfather clause, I predicted that the Act would lead to the extinction of non-conforming plans. Any thinking person who took the time to read the Act would have come to a similar conclusion.


21 posted on 11/04/2013 11:17:49 AM PST by p. henry
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To: tobyhill

Obama’s arguments now will be believed only by the galacticly stupid, the democrat side of the congress...and RINO’s.. but I repeat myself


22 posted on 11/04/2013 11:19:25 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: tobyhill; All


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23 posted on 11/04/2013 11:20:23 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: p. henry

Just wait until Employer provided Group Insurance will have to embrace the new Government imposed mandates regarding coverage. The same thing will happen, Policies will get cancelled and the employer provided coverage will be terminated. Prior to Obama care, most people were very happy with their coverage and never had these high deductibles and co-pays. They (Government) really threw out the baby with the bath water.
Instead of providing quality healthcare, at least everyone can now enjoy free birth control and abortion services?


24 posted on 11/04/2013 11:27:01 AM PST by americanbychoice3
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To: tobyhill

The insurance companies who were stupid enough to support Barry on this had better watch out and start hiring lawyers. Next thing you know Holder will start an “investigation” and discover this was all their fault. Lawsuits to extort confessions and fines to follow.


25 posted on 11/04/2013 11:31:45 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: tobyhill
Towards the end of his segment with Wallace, Zeke said the individual mandate deadline should not be extended since even after the website is fixed by the end of November (wishful thinking, btw), that still gives people 4 months to sign up, which is plenty of time.

I know it would've been changing the subject, but I wish Wallace would've then asked ol' Zeke, if 4 months is more than enough time to sign up for Obamacare, why isn't 12 months enough time to expect people to secure some form of voter id in time for next year's mid-terms? Or better yet, 36 months in time for the next Presidential election?!

26 posted on 11/04/2013 11:35:30 AM PST by mellow velo (Oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, rap music, liberal think-tank)
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To: Shannon

Yep....there’s more coming and the demorats and media will push that it’s the Insurance Companies. Unfortunately Obama supporters believe all they’re told....they have not been hurt enough to change yet.

Lowering food stamp distribution is not enough to turn them...nor is Obamacare.....until they have barely “survival” funds only they will not change. Even then they will revolt rather than go to work. In their minds the gov. owes them one way or another.

Those not on the rolls are fully indoctrinated to the progressive mindset....they too haven’t “hurt” enough. Only when there is severe hardship will their mindset be broken.


27 posted on 11/04/2013 11:38:49 AM PST by caww
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To: tobyhill
It is Obama's aim to erase health insurance leaving the field open to Socialized Medicine...run by the government...waste and fraud will reign. Put your Congressmen on notice...defund or look for new work...and mean it!

Elect Terry M., Bagman for the Clintons Virginians, and look for more corruption. Elect Cuccinelli, and look for a healthy State....don't let your state be bought by the Obama and Clinton political machines...they don't give a hoot in 'ell about you or Virginia...Make your vote for Governor for America...not a vote for Socialism.

28 posted on 11/04/2013 11:40:38 AM PST by yoe ( Defund Obamacare now — or risk voter backlash in 2014)
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To: colorado tanker

The Big Insurance companies opted out of the exchanges....they’ll watch the little guys fall under obamacare and be there to pick up those who can afford private polices...the little companies believed this was a win for them....they will discover otherwise down the road.


29 posted on 11/04/2013 11:40:42 AM PST by caww
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To: americanbychoice3

Carriers are already sending out notices of cancellation on employer provided insurance. My small firm has received one, and a couple of my larger clients have as well.


30 posted on 11/04/2013 11:52:42 AM PST by p. henry
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Zeke IS a hysterical lunatic.
31 posted on 11/04/2013 11:54:12 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: silverleaf
You sir have hit the nail precisely on its head.

Rahm's big brother could have been best pals with Lavrenti Beria.

32 posted on 11/04/2013 11:55:46 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: p. henry

Yes, another date to look forward to is March 15. 2014. The Insurance companies have to release their premiums under Obama care for 2015. Look out for some fireworks.............


33 posted on 11/04/2013 12:02:06 PM PST by americanbychoice3
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To: Farnsworth

Yeah, Zeke knows that the world will be a paradise as soon as we get rid of all vestiges of capitalism. Certain difficult obstructionists will have to be dealt with first.


34 posted on 11/04/2013 12:07:46 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: tobyhill

The insurance companies did not realize that the endgame was their own demise. GREED clouded their judgment.


35 posted on 11/04/2013 12:22:41 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Sergio

Frankly about the only thing that will happen with Obamacare is they will tweak it here and there.....I do not have any reason to believe Congress will do any more than that. They certainly don’t give any indication now they intend to stop it...just slow it down or change certain aspects of it. Either or we will never have our Insurance choices as once were.


36 posted on 11/04/2013 12:38:40 PM PST by caww
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To: tobyhill

The community agitator trying to rile up the masses against the evil insurance companies...


37 posted on 11/04/2013 12:49:03 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: tobyhill
"He isn’t responsible for that"

Words inscribed on the pediment of the Obama Memorial located in the Chicago stockyard's excrement collection facility.

38 posted on 11/04/2013 12:49:52 PM PST by Pietro
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To: tobyhill

“When the private companies decide to drop an individual, you blame Obama. He isn’t responsible for that,” said Emanuel, brother to former White House Chief of Staff turned Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel.”

Giant HALF TRUTHS are great at telling giant lies, and that’s what Emmanuel does.

This issue of the day is not insurance companies that “drop an individual” because of Obamacare. It is insurance companies dropping a plan as it was previously offered, and either offering to keep that plan but UNDER OBAMACARE it will cost more DUE TO OBAMACARE, or in some markets, no longer offering that plan DUE TO THE ADDED COSTS REQUIRED FOR THAT PLAN, UNDER OBAMACARE.

Emmanuel went on to try to say insurers did not want to be in the health insurance market for individuals “as it’s constructed” (before or since Obamacare).

That is another GIANT half truth because the market for health insurance for individuals IS an artifact of government intervention, government regulation and government tax policy. The individual market is in net a CREATION of everything the government has done to favor the big government, big employer, big union CAPTURED EMPLOYEE health insurance market and disfavor the individual market.


39 posted on 11/04/2013 12:53:44 PM PST by Wuli
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To: livius

“Dumb insurance companies. They thought they were getting special perks from Bambi in exchange for giving up their business and getting guaranteed government business.”

They are not so much dump as they are traitorous, selling EVERYONE’s Liberty for a few promised pieces of silver, in a program that by it’s mandates makes the cost of inusrance higher - no fault of theirs - but, via the enslaved media, it is SUPPOSED to put the public blame for it on them.

Yet, what they got from Obama will keep them slap happy for a long time, before the ongoing, year after year sticker shock and rising taxes comes back and bites them for their bargain with the devil.

That will take some time because if a plan is too “expensive” it can be subsidized if it is more than 9.5% of someone’s annual income, up to an income of $9X,0000/fam of 4 (400% of “poverty level”). The subsidy takes the individual’s cost down to no more than 9.5% of their annual income. In time, as sticker shock goes up every year, and more and more go looking for the subsidy, the taxes to make it all possible are going to go up as well. As long as the subsidy keeps up, what “sticker shock” will the insurance companies see in their income? Very little. The mandated coverages and the income levels for the subsidy and the level of the subsidy will keep their revenues largely unscathed. BUT, at some point, the federal fiscal situation will force stiffer price controls on policy premiums, just as price controls entered the Medicare scene as a way to try to cut it’s cost. Price controls result in fewer participants in a market; a situation that usually leaves only the biggest ones surviving. Who will that be? The ones that made the deals with Obama; and although it was never their plan to help destroy the private insurance marketplace, that’s exactly what their grand bargain will help do, in time.


40 posted on 11/04/2013 1:14:20 PM PST by Wuli
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To: silverleaf

Thanks so much for this resource!


41 posted on 11/04/2013 7:25:03 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

spread the word!!!!!

this is the blueprint for obamacare, and for the obamistas entire social agenda

do you see ANY love for America or Americans in this “ethics” discussion?

it has been hiding in plain sight since 2009


42 posted on 11/05/2013 4:07:59 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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