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GM Debate Not Settled, Say European Scientists 'Genetically modified foods'.
Epoch times ^ | Oct 24, 2013 | Justina Reichel,

Posted on 11/04/2013 10:55:03 AM PST by KeyLargo

GM Debate Not Settled, Say European Scientists

Controversy erupts after World Food Prize awarded to Monsanto

By Justina Reichel, Epoch Times | October 24, 2013

In the wake of biotech giants Monsanto and Syngenta being awarded the World Food Prize, a European coalition of scientists is challenging claims that the debate around genetically modified foods is settled and that GM foods are safe.

The European Network of Scientists for Social and Environmental Responsibility, which consists of more than 90 scientists, academics, and physicians, released a statement Monday in response to “sweeping claims” that GM products are safe.

“We strongly reject claims by GM seed developers and some scientists, commentators, and journalists that there is a ‘scientific consensus’ on GMO safety and that the debate on this topic is ‘over,’” the group said in a statement.

“The claim encourages a climate of complacency that could lead to a lack of regulatory and scientific rigour and appropriate caution, potentially endangering the health of humans, animals, and the environment.”

The coalition cites several studies that suggest GM crops and foods can be toxic or allergenic, and raises the concern that many GM products remain under-tested.

(Excerpt) Read more at theepochtimes.com ...


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I'm not for or against genetically modified foods, I don't know enough about 'GM' yet, but I question Monsanto safety, - a corporation that brought cancer to many Vietnam War veterans due to exposure to Monsanto Agent Orange toxins.


1 posted on 11/04/2013 10:55:03 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Somewhere my sister in law is outting her tinfoil hat on and is outrayged!


2 posted on 11/04/2013 10:56:24 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: KeyLargo

I personally don’t eat GM foods. I’ve been reading about this issue on Mike Adams site, Natural News. At least the foods should be labeled so people can make informed choices. Mike actually has talked about Obama and Monsanto on his site.


3 posted on 11/04/2013 11:03:04 AM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: KeyLargo

I can see big risks to the food supply from monocultures, but i don’t understand most of the other argumentation against GM food


4 posted on 11/04/2013 11:03:20 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: KeyLargo

heck we have monsato and GMO supporters here on FR.


5 posted on 11/04/2013 11:03:50 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Count me in as a Monsanto supporter. Lots of folk able to afford food because of their work.


6 posted on 11/04/2013 11:07:59 AM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: Mount Athos

My beef, other than not being sure of the long-term effects of GMO’s (after all you are what you eat) is that Monsanto’s patented gene seeds blow onto other farmer’s fields and blend with the natural seeds. Then, the farmer can’t sell his product as “organic” and can and has been sued by Monsanto.


7 posted on 11/04/2013 11:22:46 AM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: KeyLargo

I go out of my way to avoid GMOs, just as I avoid processed foods-I was raised on all-natural foods, and believe it is healthier. No one I know who eats only natural produce has any serious food allergies.

There has to be a reason we are seeing all these “deadly” allergies to everything from peanuts to popcorn, and the only common denominator seems to be something related to the food we produce now. The only life threatening allergies I recall as a kid were insect stings-everything else was just the inconvenience of hives and an upset stomach-even in the 70’s when I had a kid. I think GMOs could be the culprit...


8 posted on 11/04/2013 11:25:44 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: driftdiver
"heck we have monsato and GMO supporters here on FR." LOL

Yes, I know.

I'm putting my suit and hat on now....

9 posted on 11/04/2013 11:30:08 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Texan5
I agree with you. We really don't know the long term effects of so much modification of food sources. What worries me even more is the fun and games that could happen with gene splicing. Could we get chickens with pig genes to make them larger and fatten them up, etc.

There's something else that's definitely bad news. That would be the antibiotics, particularly the large amounts that settle in milk fat. It can cause inter-reactions with other medications.

I'm not at all religious in a formal way. Call it religion or the rules of evolution, it's probably not a good idea to mess with forces that we can't understand. They'll bite back.

10 posted on 11/04/2013 11:35:34 AM PST by grania
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To: Texan5

“In this hidden backroom deal, Sen. [Barbara] Mikulski turned her back on consumer, environmental and farmer protection in favor of corporate welfare for biotech companies such as Monsanto,” Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety, said in a statement. “This abuse of power is not the kind of leadership the public has come to expect from Sen. Mikulski or the Democrat Majority in the Senate.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/monsanto-protection-act-5-terrifying-things-know-about-hr-933-provision-1156079

Deadbeat Senator Barbara Mikulski Snuck Deadly Monsanto Rider In 2013 Budget Resolution: An Illegal Act In Congress!

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/03/23/deadbeat-senator-barbara-mikulski-snuck-deadly-monsanto-rider-in-2013-budget-resolution-an-illegal-act-in-congress/


11 posted on 11/04/2013 11:41:29 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: grania

Dairy cows are injected with rBGH, a genetically modified hormone manufactured by Monsanto. Some of the foods are spliced with viruses and things like that.

I just want things to be labeled.


12 posted on 11/04/2013 11:45:19 AM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: KeyLargo

More leftist claptrap.

Evil corporations - boo!


13 posted on 11/04/2013 11:55:55 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: grania

I like cheese, yogurt and butter-but not milk-I’ve avoided it since I was about 5 or 6, and on the ranch there was plenty of cottage and goats’ milk cheese, butter, etc. The only milk I use for recipes is the non-fat powdered kind, and I only eat “real” cheese-not that other crap.

I believe that food additives like growth hormones and antibiotics fed to livestock are harmful-I only eat free-ranged meat from a small locker plant, chicken and eggs from a neighbor till I get my own.

I don’t think it is a religious thing, other than when you mess with the natural order of things, it is bound to end badly...


14 posted on 11/04/2013 11:56:07 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Mount Athos

The other argument is that teh scientists aren’t even willing to admit they don’t know everything.

The idea that food is nothing but basic elements such as carbon, glucose, and so forth is short sighted IMO. They really have no idea what the hormones in the animal do to people. However there is evidence of problems up to and including cancer.

MSG, Splenda, aspartame, and growth hormones were all labeled as safe by the food industry but are known to cause problems with some people.


15 posted on 11/04/2013 11:56:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: KeyLargo

All in all, another fine reason to stay away from factory and corporate farming-I hope within the next year or so to grow all my own produce instead of only about 2/3, and have my own chickens. I’ll continue to buy free ranged beef and pork from the tiny locker plant.


16 posted on 11/04/2013 12:00:29 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: driftdiver
heck we have monsato and GMO supporters here on FR.

Count me in. They've done more to end hunger than most.

Most FR readers also consume GMO foods. That may be the cause of the death of Freepers from time to time.

17 posted on 11/04/2013 12:01:38 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: gattaca

The daughter of a friend from church was having problems. At 14 she had been menstruating for 3 years straight, non stop.

The doctor recommended a hysterectomy for this 14 yr old girl.

The father did some research and read about rBGH and that it was used by the dairy companies Walmart uses. They switched to a milk without this hormone and her problem went away.

The “scientists” here would scoff at this as evidence, however its all I need to know I don’t want that in my food. Nor do I trust the scientists who proclaimed it safe.


18 posted on 11/04/2013 12:02:25 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

If GMO is the answer to ending hunger why do we still have hunger?

Perhaps for the reason we have hunger in the first place, and it isn’t due to lack of food.


19 posted on 11/04/2013 12:04:26 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Most conservatives definitely support business and science.

This is a continuation of 60’s hippy leftist attacks on US corporations and scientific technology. Same ol, same ol.

But, I will listen. Please educate me as to the dangers of GMO because I am not aware of any legitimate danger and would like to know if there is.

Thanks.


20 posted on 11/04/2013 12:05:39 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: gattaca

Labeled will work just fine for me, too-if someone wants to eat frankenfood, that is entirely up to them, but I will continue to avoid it, and eat what is cultivated and improved, raised and grown by natural means, thanks...


21 posted on 11/04/2013 12:06:32 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: ifinnegan

The problem is we don’t know what the dangers are, other then some of the things they’ve created have made people sick. Its not a black/white discussion as there are billions of variables.

I’d prefer to know where my food comes from so I can make decisions for myself and my family. Whats wrong with that?


22 posted on 11/04/2013 12:09:57 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Perhaps for the reason we have hunger in the first place, and it isn’t due to lack of food.

That's mostly true, and more than once I've said to "let the bastards starve to death". I've meant it.

However, there are some people who are willing to work and do the things necessary to feed thier families. GMO is an enormous tool that they can use to accomplish that goal.

It's probably the largest, most effective tool since farming began thousands of years ago.

23 posted on 11/04/2013 12:11:04 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: driftdiver

What things have made people sick?


24 posted on 11/04/2013 12:14:23 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Texan5

Eat what you know is good for you, and don’t eat what isn’t.

There are other synthetic or semi synthetic products in the food chain and I don’t want to give up enjoying them at my choice because they are bummers to other people.


25 posted on 11/04/2013 12:14:42 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Most GMO does in the lab what viruses often do in the field.

I think we get in trouble when we start to take the attitude that we are superseding nature rather than helping it do its thing better.


26 posted on 11/04/2013 12:17:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ifinnegan

You don’t have to be a hippie leftist to not eat GMOs and food laced with drugs-some of us just don’t think it is healthy to eat that stuff, and that is a choice-nothing more. Plenty of folks here take prescription drugs-I do not-I believe in natural remedies-but that just means I have a different lifestyle from someone who does otherwise-I don’t see it as a big deal.


27 posted on 11/04/2013 12:17:34 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“However, there are some people who are willing to work and do the things necessary to feed thier families. GMO is an enormous tool that they can use to accomplish that goal.”

GMO is only a tool to help the food conglomerates gain a stranglehold on the food supply. Despite ethanol we are paying people not to grow crops here in the US. We can already grow enough food to feed a good portion of the world. Supply isn’t the problem. Politics, corruption, war and greed are certainly bigger causes of hunger.

I’m fine with selective breeding that works within the constraints of nature. When some hack in a million dollar lab starts splicing genes from a spider or goat into corn it crosses the line. And yes they are doing that. They don’t know if it will cause cancers, disease or gene mutations in the people that eat it. They don’t even really care. The only thing they care about is can they make their plant immune to roundup or some other chemical or bug.


28 posted on 11/04/2013 12:18:43 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ifinnegan

growth hormones, MSG, Aspartame, Splenda for starters.


29 posted on 11/04/2013 12:19:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Texan5

Same here. This is a personal choice and I’ve made mine after years of research. I was trying to find a “cure” for my migraine headaches and that’s how I became interested in this subject. If there are no problems then why won’t they label it?


30 posted on 11/04/2013 12:20:02 PM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: cornfedcowboy

Take away the welfare going the corn industry and tell me how affordable that roundup soaked crap really is.


31 posted on 11/04/2013 12:20:28 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: gattaca

Good for you-it was easy for me-I was brought up eating that way, so I’ve always been a reader of labels and a grower of at least some produce. Did you find a fix for your migraines?


32 posted on 11/04/2013 12:45:37 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Orangedog

If they got rid of the ethanol program altogether, there might actually be plenty of non-enhanced corn for consumption by humans and animals and the price would go down to where it was before the welfare...


33 posted on 11/04/2013 12:49:59 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

They are less severe since I’ve been eating better, on a scale of 2/10 instead of 10/10. I feel much better.

Unfortunately, like you I wasn’t brought up this way, but I wish I was. I’m 57 and not only meds. I truly do believe that food is medicine, and I don’t want to eat GM foods. I don’t care if others do, I just want to know what I’m eating so I can make that choice.


34 posted on 11/04/2013 12:56:05 PM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: gattaca

typo, not on any meds.


35 posted on 11/04/2013 12:56:51 PM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: Mount Athos

Doesn’t it totally depend on how they were modified? Couldn’t you genetically modify something to either be super-healthy or poisonous depending on what you do? Since genes are the basic building blocks you’re dealing with. It doesn’t seem so simple as an all or nothing question and each GM food would need to be analyzed.


36 posted on 11/04/2013 12:59:07 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: driftdiver

Unfortunately a few on FR are big supporters of Monsanto and GMO foods....even though both rely on Big Government and your tax dollars to push FreakFood. Monsanto/GMO supporters are also Open Borders/Free Trade Liberals who support the UN, EU, WTO, and other anti-American entities


37 posted on 11/04/2013 1:00:38 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (2014: RINO Hunting Season)
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To: ifinnegan
I would correct you and say that most conservatives support liberty and property rights. This is often times realized when they advocate for business or scientific endeavors who's liberties and property rights are under attack from those on the left who believe all wealth should be communal.

The issue at stake here is whether...

1.Monsanto should be given vast extra rights and advantages in the market as a result of political bribes.
2.They should be able to sell you a product which is possibly unsafe without labeling it as to distinguish it from other products that don't elicit the same concerns.

Good for Monsanto for making cheap soybean, milk and corn. If I were a starving African I wouldn't care if the food I purchased was GMO or not. If I were an American in sea of overweight, diabetic, cancer sticken, allergy suffering, psychologically damaged citizens who have by and large got this way since the introduction of GMO and the governmental policies favoring corporate industrial farming....I may feel differently.

38 posted on 11/04/2013 1:02:29 PM PST by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: driftdiver

“growth hormones, MSG, Aspartame, Splenda for starters.”

None of these are genetically modified organisms.


39 posted on 11/04/2013 1:06:03 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: gattaca

That is great-that you are what you eat thing was heard just about every day at our house. I think God put everything we need here in the natural world-we need to put the effort into re-acquainting ourselves with it instead of relying on unnatural substances so much-we are only beginning to see the long-term effects of these drugs and such, and so far, I’m not impressed...


40 posted on 11/04/2013 1:10:03 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

“You don’t have to be a hippie leftist to not eat GMOs”

Certainly not. And that was not stated or implied by anything I wrote, nor is that part of the debate.

My observation was about demonization of American corporations.


41 posted on 11/04/2013 1:10:08 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

And I don’t care what they produce, as long as it is labeled with the contents like anything else-and I don’t want our taxes subsidizing them-or anyone else-if the product is so damn superior, let them grow and sell it without subsidies on the free market. Solyndra and it’s fellow failures should have taught us something about the government’s ability to pick winners and losers...


42 posted on 11/04/2013 1:17:43 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: nitzy

“1.Monsanto should be given vast extra rights and advantages in the market as a result of political bribes.”

That is not the topic of this post.

That’s a legitimate concern and crony capitalism and congressional milking bills are real problems.

“2.They should be able to sell you a product which is possibly unsafe without labeling it as to distinguish it from other products that don’t elicit the same concerns.”

This has a couple topics: are they possibly unsafe?

That is the topic and to my knowledge that is not the case.

I asked for info on this topic.

And, should they be labelled.

There all ready are labels. Buy food that says no GMO on the label if concerned.

I am generally not for more government oversight and bureaucracy. These products already undergo more safety evaluation than any on the ,market. A law saying beyond that, that they must be labelled just allows for more corruption and big government control.


43 posted on 11/04/2013 1:18:25 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Texan5

Monsanto is nothing like Solyndra.


44 posted on 11/04/2013 1:19:29 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

Oh-and let them sell it on the free market labeled to say what it really contains-if people want to buy it, that is fine-caveat emptor...


45 posted on 11/04/2013 1:19:53 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: ifinnegan

sure sure sure, but they all come from the food scientists who proclaim to be smarter then God.


46 posted on 11/04/2013 1:31:28 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ifinnegan

Are they safe? In the end they really don’t know. Some people say yes, but of course they are going to profit enormously from GMO.

Just label it.


47 posted on 11/04/2013 1:35:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gattaca

“Percy Schmeiser was a farmer. Shortly after the Monsanto company introduced genetically modified (GM) canola plants to Canada, Percy Schmeiser was a farmer facing a lawsuit.

After hearing that GM crops could potentially increase yields, three farmers in Schmeiser’s region planted fields of Monsanto’s seed. Winds pushed pollen from GM canola into Schmeiser’s fields, and the plants cross-pollinated. The breed he had been cultivating for 50 years was now contaminated by Monsanto’s GM canola.

Did Monsanto apologize? No. It sued Schmeiser for patent infringement — first charging the farmer per acre of contamination, then slapping him with another suit for $1 million and attempting to seize his land and farming equipment. After a seven-year battle, the Canadian Supreme Court eventually ruled against him but let him keep his farm and his $1 million. He was one of the lucky ones.

March 15, 2013

Schmeiser’s case illustrates how Monsanto is dominating — and terrifying — the agricultural world with secretive technologies, strong-arm tactics, and government approval. According to the Center for Food Safety, Monsanto has filed at least 142 similar lawsuits against farmers for alleged infringement of its patents or abuse of its technology agreement. The company has won 72 judgments totaling almost $24 million.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-07-25/restaurants/monsanto-gm-crops/


48 posted on 11/04/2013 1:39:10 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

“Give me my organic food,
Don’t ask what’s in it or I’m gonna get rude!

Give me organic food,
organic poison is really good for ya, Dude!

(all together now).....”

This is part of our famous Chants for Grants Programme.


49 posted on 11/04/2013 1:42:44 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: ifinnegan
Who do you think runs the safety evaluations? Who do you think comes up with the safety standards? Are you unaware of the revolving door between USDA and Monsanto and Dow Chemical administrators, board members, advisers and lobbyists?

Safety standards are written and sponsored by Big Ag for the purpose of pricing out and squashing the small family farms.

As to your questions of if they are safe...

Since GMO corn and soybeans (which are in nearly everything we eat) were introduced to the market in the mid 90’s the rates of autism, allergies, asthma, obesity and diabetes have exploded. In 1995 no state had an obesity rate higher than 15%. Today there is only 1 state under 20%. I understand that no one has yet demonstrated the exact mechanism in GMO and industrial farming that causes these but I think it would be foolish to ignore the relationship. On the farm, when you notice that an animal is having unexplained health problems, the very first thing you do is examine what they are eating and see how it differs from what they usually eat. Are people so different?

Explain how labeling something as GMO would allow more corruption?

50 posted on 11/04/2013 1:51:17 PM PST by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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