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Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
Newsmax ^ | 11/5/13 | Greg Richter

Posted on 11/05/2013 7:33:13 PM PST by randita

Republican Ken Cuccinelli's unexpectedly strong showing in the Virginia governor's race will make it more difficult for moderate members of the GOP to pull the party toward the center, says Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics.

Polls had shown Cuccinelli down by 7 points to Democrat Terry McAuliffe, but Cuccinelli, a tea party favorite, led vote counts most of the night, with Clinton administration insider McAuliffe pulling out a late victory as bigger cities were counted.

"Whether it's one vote or a million, you're governor for four years," Sabato said. Still, he said, "The conservative Republicans will certainly take heart from the fact that Cuccinelli has done better than expected."

The big story, Sabato said, is Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's huge re-election win in a "deeply blue state." Christie took 59 percent of the vote. He's the first Republican to win statewide with more than 50 percent since George H.W. Bush in 1988.

The United States is so politically polarized that it is remarkable any time a Democrat can win in a heavily red state or a Republican can win in a heavily blue state, Sabato said.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: chrischristie; cuccinelli; kencuccinelli; larrysabato; newjersey; terrymcauliffe; va2013; virginia
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1 posted on 11/05/2013 7:33:13 PM PST by randita
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To: randita

As if. The GOPe is pushing Krispy from here till 2016. Cya, Jeb. Thanks for playing.

I sat through this palooka’s victory speech. He sounded like Obama. Honestly, he did, pushing how bipartisan he is and such and such.

Goal#1 in 2016 is to STOP Krispy at ALL costs!!!!


2 posted on 11/05/2013 7:37:19 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: randita

fraud


3 posted on 11/05/2013 7:38:16 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: randita

Smooch it, Karl Rove.


4 posted on 11/05/2013 7:38:40 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: randita

Music to my ears.


5 posted on 11/05/2013 7:39:24 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: randita

From where I sit, Christie can be counted more as a moderate Democrat than a conservative Republican. My guess is that the establishment Republicans - RINOs - will use Christie’s campaign model as the Republican blueprint for future elections.


6 posted on 11/05/2013 7:39:38 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: yldstrk

It is the Rat pattern. Their M.O. Wait until you know how many votes you need to steal the election. One could see this coming weeks ago. Still I am surprised they risked the Rat machine on an off year race. I guess it wasn’t much risk.


7 posted on 11/05/2013 7:41:23 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Viennacon; RKBA Democrat; GeronL; MeganC
Republican Ken Cuccinelli's unexpectedly strong showing in the Virginia governor's race will make it more difficult for moderate members of the GOP to pull the party toward the center, says Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics.

The GOP refusal to support it's Candidates Picked and Backed by its own F*****g Base will make it more difficult for me to support the GOP in the future says Kc_Lion of Free Republic.

8 posted on 11/05/2013 7:41:41 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: randita

Let’s not keep ‘em guessing.

Tell them just how pissed the Tea Party is that the GOPe didn’t lift a finger to help Ken!

The GOPe OWN the Terry governorship!!!


9 posted on 11/05/2013 7:42:16 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: randita
"Christie has shown the way," Sabato said. "The question, again, is whether the Republican activists – who are mainly social conservatives, tea party people, libertarians – whether they're willing to embrace somebody as moderate-conservative as Chris Christie."

So what do we get.. I remember.

In the words of Nelson Rockefeller's public relations head, Stuart Spencer, "We had to destroy Barry Goldwater as a member of the human race."

Palin, Cruz. the Tea Party.. we're all Goldwaters now. That's what we're getting.

10 posted on 11/05/2013 7:42:58 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Viennacon
Goal#1 in 2016 is to STOP Krispy at ALL costs!!!!

Sounds pretty much like the same goal we had in 2012 in trying to stop Romney, and we lost the primary and the presidency.

So, who will be a strong enough conservative that can prevent a RINO from being our presidential candidate in 2012? Even when republicans won in 2000 and 2004, our candidate was not a true conservative. So, what is the answer? How do we get a good conservative to represent us and win in 2016?
11 posted on 11/05/2013 7:43:34 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: G Larry

The GOPe OWN the Terry governorship


But they don’t own conservatives. At least not THIS conservative.


12 posted on 11/05/2013 7:45:45 PM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: randita

Rigged election with 3rd party funded by Soros. When will this Nazi judas goat achieve room temperature


13 posted on 11/05/2013 7:46:03 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.as a)
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To: G Larry

Next stop—GOP primaries. Let’s go after the same GOPers who wouldn’t help Cooch.


14 posted on 11/05/2013 7:47:19 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: randita

I will NEVER vote for a candidate who doesn’t regularly fellate Tea Party leadership.

NEVAR.


15 posted on 11/05/2013 7:48:36 PM PST by gaijin
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To: adorno

His initials are TC


16 posted on 11/05/2013 7:51:33 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: KittenClaws

That is pretty much the entire point of my post.


17 posted on 11/05/2013 7:52:08 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: KC_Lion

Ugh, McAuliffe is hideous. His leer lets on that this scumbag will strip Virginia of every dollar he can, and they deserve it.


18 posted on 11/05/2013 7:52:20 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: G Larry

Absolutely!


19 posted on 11/05/2013 7:53:50 PM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: randita
Bipartisanship to a rat: "Do what I want".

Bipartisanship response from the GOP-E: "OK".

20 posted on 11/05/2013 7:54:47 PM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: All

It’s amazing how many stupid voters there are in the US

America is circling the drain...


21 posted on 11/05/2013 7:55:02 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (FUBO & your Tranny wife, the DNC, the MSM, Hollywood, Unions, Academia & LIV's.)
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To: KC_Lion

bump

These articles from the left are entirely predictable hogwash


22 posted on 11/05/2013 7:55:04 PM PST by GeronL
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To: randita

I’m not moving to the middle. NO.MATTER.WHAT Got it?


23 posted on 11/05/2013 7:57:01 PM PST by jch10 (Shouting from the rooftop, "OBAMA LIED!!")
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To Hell with the GOP-e’s reaction. Vote out the bastards in 2014!


24 posted on 11/05/2013 7:57:41 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: randita

Good Lord Terry McAuliffe is thanking Bob McDonald for spending on transportation and the great unemployment rate. I never saw a politician give a thumbs up to a different party. Weird.


25 posted on 11/05/2013 7:58:35 PM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

I blame the stupid libertarians. They gave us 2 terms of Bill Clinton, and now McFraudiff.


26 posted on 11/05/2013 7:58:49 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: adorno

Start backing Cruz now and stick with him to the end. The problem last time was conservatives went into the primaries without seeming to have even begun thinking about who to support. And then they changed their mind with every new debate. Time to start organizing now for Cruz.


27 posted on 11/05/2013 8:03:54 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: adorno

Based on recent results, it would seem there will never be a strong enough non-stealth Conservative to win, except, perhaps, in/from Texas and Utah.


28 posted on 11/05/2013 8:04:31 PM PST by Postman (Flies get too litle credit. They know!)
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To: randita
WTH?

I'm sorry, but I am not sanguine about Cuccinelli's "better than expected showing" "curbing" any drift to "the center."

It's spinach, and I'll not surrender to the Radical Left's redefinition of "the center."

Not being able to beat scum like Terry McAuliffe in the Old Dominion can be explained away any way one would prefer, but this whistling past the grave yard, backing off on the beatings of the Tea Party until morale improves, or whatever, is pure nostrum.

29 posted on 11/05/2013 8:05:50 PM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Viennacon

Hope you’re right, but, “we” (not me!) keep going for somebody who will bring the “crossover” votes, and we end up losing every time. We republicans fail to learn any lessons from those losses. We keep looking for somebody that is “electable”, but we end up with somebody who is not elected.


30 posted on 11/05/2013 8:06:55 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: randita
"Christie has shown the way," Sabato said. "The question, again, is whether the Republican activists – who are mainly social conservatives, tea party people, libertarians – whether they're willing to embrace somebody as moderate-conservative as Chris Christie."

Should read "...whether the Republican base -- who are mainly social conservatives, tea party people, libertarians -- are willing to embrace somebody as liberal as Chris Christie".

The answer is "No".

If it takes a Chris Christie to win "in a deep blue state", fine. Let him.

But voters in red states won't give him the time of day.

And, if you can't win the red states, winning New Jersey is pointless, isn't it, Larry?

31 posted on 11/05/2013 8:06:59 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
So what do we get.. I remember.

In the words of Nelson Rockefeller's public relations head, Stuart Spencer, "We had to destroy Barry Goldwater as a member of the human race."

Palin, Cruz. the Tea Party.. we're all Goldwaters now. That's what we're getting.

IMHO, the post of the night.

32 posted on 11/05/2013 8:09:30 PM PST by LaybackLenny (Sarah Palin - Last Man Standing (Ironic, ain't it?))
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To: napscoordinator

Well, he can’t really thank him for the donor scandal that took a very popular republican governor out of the equation for a close race. Imagine the difference if a non-damaged McDonnell had spent the last 6 months working with the GOP establishment to build up Ken. It would have thwarted the Bill Bolling snub. McDonnell probably could have kept the “republican” virginia beach mayor from endorsing McCauliffe.

But because of the scandal, Bob had to stay out of the race. Which suited the conservatives, since Bob was blamed for the final transportation bill that gave too much to the democrats, and ended up actually hurting republicans in this race (it was supposed to take a “big negative” off the table for our side).


33 posted on 11/05/2013 8:09:49 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Prospero

The more interesting thing is the Lt. Governor’s race. If Sarvis had actually taken republican votes from Ken, you may have expected Jackson to actually win. Instead, he lost by 10 points, getting fewer votes than Ken did. Which suggests that Sarvis, in the end, may have taken more votes from Terri then from Ken.

One thing is clear. A conservative can win election here in Virginia, but not if they can be labelled as a far-right conservative, and not if they can’t get at least the grudging support of the mainstream GOP.

If you don’t want to win elections, that is fine. If you want to win, you need more candidates like Reagan, who was conservative but knew how to appeal to the center.

We need a media that will report the truth, which we won’t have for a while. I don’t mind losing elections, but I hate losing an election based on lies. This was a close race, and it is clear that at least 100,000 voters believed the lies of the democrats.


34 posted on 11/05/2013 8:15:06 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: JediJones
Start backing Cruz now and stick with him to the end. The problem last time was conservatives went into the primaries without seeming to have even begun thinking about who to support. And then they changed their mind with every new debate. Time to start organizing now for Cruz.

That's fine as far as it goes. I certainly have no problem at all with Cruz. However I believe that he, Palin, Lee, and PERHAPS Sen. Paul need to retreat to the 2013 equivalent of the "smoky back room", out of the sight of you, me, and the media, break the huddle, and come out united.

Granted each and every one of them have egos. I do, however, believe that they all know what's at stake and therefore have the capacity to check said egos at the door for the sake of The Republic.

35 posted on 11/05/2013 8:24:16 PM PST by LaybackLenny (Sarah Palin - Last Man Standing (Ironic, ain't it?))
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To: adorno

We were split then. We are split now but I see signs of coalescence around certain conservatives candidates. For instance Cruze, Paul, or Lee could win IF we get behind ONE of them early. But that is the key. And here is one other thing, if you are running and are not first or second after a few races Get Out Of The Race so a conservative can win! Simple.


36 posted on 11/05/2013 8:24:20 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Libertarian stalkhorse sealed Viginia’s demo-gubnatorial victory.


37 posted on 11/05/2013 8:28:43 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: LaybackLenny

I’m not worried about the rest of them. I don’t think Palin or Lee could win the general election. I think Cruz can. And I’m not a fan of Paul’s libertarian views when they differ from traditional, Reaganesque conservative thought.


38 posted on 11/05/2013 8:40:36 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: randita
"The conservative Republicans will certainly take heart from the fact that Cuccinelli has done better than expected."

Better than expected by WHOM? Conservatives knew he'd do well, it's the media and folks like Sabato who didn't expect much! I'm sure the fact that he would have WON without the third party candidate scares the bejeezus out of the RINOs.

39 posted on 11/05/2013 8:43:07 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: KC_Lion

Especially when it’s as good of a guy as Cuccinelli is. I find it almost impossible not to like the guy. And they did NOTHING for him. Against an outright crook.


40 posted on 11/05/2013 8:43:15 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: adorno

Well, if I remember correctly ‘extremist’ Cuccinelli won independents in Virginia.


41 posted on 11/05/2013 8:44:08 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: KC_Lion

^5


42 posted on 11/05/2013 8:44:47 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: JediJones
"The problem last time was conservatives went into the primaries without seeming to have even begun thinking about who to support. And then they changed their mind with every new debate. Time to start organizing now for Cruz."

First, let me say that I think that Cruz is great. But at this point in time, I don't know if he is electable as a Repub. candidate. I see the main problem as the order of the various state primaries, with liberal states that have open primaries, which allows the demonazis to select our candidates for us. I think that the most loyal Repub. states (based on voting history and open or closed primary rules)) should get the first primaries. That way Republicans nominate our candidate, and that is NOT what happens now. But I really don't know if that is something that is controllable by the party, or the state (the primary date).

43 posted on 11/05/2013 8:52:22 PM PST by matthew fuller (Americans deserve better than an illegal alien communist from Kenya.)
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To: adorno
Romney's performance in 2012 was far stronger than Christie would do in 2016. For all his flaws, Romney at least came across as an American guy who you could picture running a company or holding government office anywhere in the U.S. If he had been governor of Michigan or Ohio before running for the White House (instead of Massachusetts), he might have pulled it off.

Christie's problem is that the guy is unapologetically, unquestionably, 100% New Jersey at his core. His approach is very popular in a state like New Jersey, but he's going to have a very, very hard time translating this into popular appeal anywhere west of the Delaware River.

44 posted on 11/05/2013 8:53:48 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Viennacon

You never hear a word about a “moderate” Democrat coming from the media. Ever. Because there aren’t any. Not one.

Nor do you hear the world “extremist,” when their whole damned party is full of them, all of them wanting to “fundamentally transform,” what was once a nice nation that actually stood for something.

No more.


45 posted on 11/05/2013 8:57:24 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The more interesting thing is the Lt. Governor’s race. If Sarvis had actually taken republican votes from Ken, you may have expected Jackson to actually win.

Maybe. What do you make of Obenshain, who may have been the only Republican to win a statewide election in Virginia?
46 posted on 11/05/2013 9:02:31 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: randita
Larry boyO, how is the GOPe different from the Dem Party? The TEA Party stands for smaller government, respects the US Constitution, lower taxes and private sector growth. What does the GOPe stand for?

Answer: NOTHING.

47 posted on 11/05/2013 9:02:47 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Viennacon

Cuccinlli was +9 among independents.


48 posted on 11/05/2013 9:03:12 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: randita

If the GOP moves anymore toward the middle they’ll be more leftist than the democrats. If they don’t move to the right they’ll never get another vote from me. I’m so sick of those rinos talking about moving to the center to get elected. Be who the hell you are and if you lose, you lose.


49 posted on 11/05/2013 9:10:09 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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It’s in the book DOUBLE DOWN that Christie told Romney that Newt “is a joke”. Then tonight on TV Newt was talking up Christie and how he’s electable. I’ll never vote for another gopE no matter what. In fact, I can’t wait to not vote for them. Why should I stand up for them when they won’t stand up for themselves?


50 posted on 11/05/2013 9:12:31 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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