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Don't go arming everyone
The Los Angeles Times ^ | November 6, 2013 | The Editorial Board

Posted on 11/06/2013 12:01:39 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

When new Police Chief Cecil Smith arrived in Sanford, Fla., in April, he suspended the city's neighborhood watch program — the one under whose auspices George Zimmerman had patrolled the streets until he fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin. Now Smith is restarting the program, but the police department says it will exercise more control over volunteers, including doing background checks and asking them not to carry guns. "We just don't see the need for anybody to be armed," Smith told the Associated Press.

Smith has chosen to ask the volunteers rather than order them, perhaps because Florida law allows citizens to carry concealed weapons if they're properly permitted, as Zimmerman was. We wish he had gone further and told the volunteers that no one participating in the neighborhood watch program would be allowed to carry a gun — and that if they did they would be removed from the program.

No doubt Zimmerman was an aberration in the world of neighborhood watch volunteers: a pistol-packing cowboy who ignored advice from a 911 operator not to pursue Martin. But even if most volunteers are more responsible than Zimmerman, why do they need guns?(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; crime; florida; neighborhoodwatch; selfdefense; trayvon; zimmerman
Where to even start?
1 posted on 11/06/2013 12:01:39 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reasonable Gun-Control...

I want to just spit...


2 posted on 11/06/2013 12:06:01 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Right Here: "No doubt Zimmerman was an aberration in the world of neighborhood watch volunteers: a pistol-packing cowboy who ignored advice from a 911 operator not to pursue Martin."

Brimming with fundamental falsehood, not one of those statements has withstood evidentiary analysis. The statement is prejudicial in nature and defames not only Zimmerman, but by association, anyone who embraces the tremendous responsibility to arm themselves to protect self, family, and neighbor without a badge or uniform to hide behind.

3 posted on 11/06/2013 12:06:21 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t arm the insane. Don’t arm liberals. But I repeat myself.


4 posted on 11/06/2013 12:07:40 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: stevie_d_64

“Reasonable Gun-Control...

I want to just spit...”

BEWARE of any liberal who proposes ANYTHING starting with “common sense” or words to that effect, because, basically, they demonstrably don’t actually have any actual experience with it.


5 posted on 11/06/2013 12:10:22 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: stevie_d_64
Reasonable Gun-Control...

Hitting the bullseye 65% of the time shooting freehand.

6 posted on 11/06/2013 12:11:15 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Where to even start?

Why bother? Consider the source.

7 posted on 11/06/2013 12:12:24 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Carry_Okie

It’s one of a handful of remaining major metropolitan newspapers in the United States and is still read by many individuals. We need to care about what they are pushing.


8 posted on 11/06/2013 12:15:53 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Los Angeles is a great place to have an unarmed citizen watch program. Any volunteers?

The LATimes has always been the toilet paper of the Left Coast and they never disappoint me in their leftist drivel and liberal bullshit.

I’m sure the LA Gangs are going to disarm in parallel when the neighborhood watch people do. And PIGS CAN FLY.

I wouldn’t drink the water in LA. When you read this editorial, you know what it can do to the mind.

LA Times’ slogan should be “The mind is a terrible thing and we wasted ours”.

As the bodies keep piling up, just remember, a disarmed citizenry are sitting ducks for armed criminals.

You might want to pass that along to the LATimes editorial board, just in case they forgot.


9 posted on 11/06/2013 12:15:54 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When I, rarely, argue with "progressives" I tell them that I agree with them. That liberals and minorities, the oppressed, should have all of the free abortions and birth control that they want.

The White, Heterosexual Christians, the "Oppressors", should be denied this "right".

10 posted on 11/06/2013 12:18:01 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Smokin' Joe

11 posted on 11/06/2013 12:19:13 AM PST by caww
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Same lies, different day.


12 posted on 11/06/2013 12:19:40 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ok, my first thought was that the Chief of Police of Sanford was really, really trying to set up a new and obvious group of people as unarmed targets. That’s right... Become a Neighborhood Watchman, SPECIFICALLY looking for ‘Bad Guys’ committing crimes in the neighborhood and who are more than likely armed themselves.

Guess who will now have a much better chance when attacking their watchers while in near perfect safety and with the slow police response be long gone before the police arrive to put down the chalk lines around our knowingly unarmed Neighborhood Watch volunteer.

So can anyone tell me why I can already see lawsuits being prepared and waiting for the right names to be put in the blanks?


13 posted on 11/06/2013 1:17:46 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

14 posted on 11/06/2013 1:22:18 AM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
LIMBAUGH: “When Obama says ‘If you like your gun, you can keep it’, you now know he’s LYING.”

(AUDIO)
http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/11/05/rush-limbaugh-when-obama-says-if-you-like-your-gun-you-can-keep-it-you-now-know-hes-lying/
15 posted on 11/06/2013 1:27:21 AM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The lie lives.


16 posted on 11/06/2013 1:53:09 AM PST by Ray76
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We wish he had gone further and told the volunteers that no one participating in the neighborhood watch program would be allowed to carry a gun — and that if they did they would be removed from the program.

Hmm. I'd be happier if he'd tell the criminals and thugs that *they* are not allowed to carry guns. I'm sure they'll honor a simple request like that.

17 posted on 11/06/2013 2:11:31 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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"We just don't see the need for anybody to be armed," Smith told the Associated Press.

If Zimmerman had not been armed he would be dead... and none of this would have mattered to the press... or Obama, or Holder. If you have doubts look at some crime statistics.

18 posted on 11/06/2013 2:28:31 AM PST by GOPJ (If you like your Social Security number and bank account, you can keep it. Freeper AU72)
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“Florida allows citizens to carry arms if they are properly permitted”

So we citizens are like ‘undocumented immigRATs’ allowed to drive in CA?
I don’t think so. We don’t need anyone’s stinking permission ....


19 posted on 11/06/2013 2:32:16 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The little sh*ts at the LA Times need to back up the “ pistol-packing cowboy” comment with a little more than their hatred of anyone who stands up to thin skinned thugs... and yeah, any of us here can back up our feelings about Trayvon... from his fights, suspensions, gang glorification, trouble with the law etc - - let’s see if the Times boys can do the same about Zimmerman. Back it up boys - add facts.


20 posted on 11/06/2013 2:33:05 AM PST by GOPJ (If you like your Social Security number and bank account, you can keep it. Freeper AU72)
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To: exDemMom
I'm sure if it's explained to the thugs that the Neighborhood Watch people are giving up their guns the thugs will agree to it. But wait...to make it really fair the police shouldn't have guns either.

Violence problem solved. <^..^>

21 posted on 11/06/2013 2:33:37 AM PST by grania
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To: GOPJ; grania

See, you two are just making sense now...;-)


22 posted on 11/06/2013 3:58:55 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: TigersEye
Don’t arm the insane. Don’t arm liberals. But I repeat myself.

I would add: Don’t arm LIARS – but that’s just repeating ourselves thrice

Libs are Liars

Support the Commonsense Civil Right of Self-Defense.

23 posted on 11/06/2013 4:13:27 AM PST by StaffiT (It takes a special kind of stupidity to think criminals will obey gun laws)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Recently my neighborhood decided to start a Watch Program so I went to the community center to check it out. I took one of the flyers and then sat down to listen to discussion. The knowledgeable officer then stated that while on volunteer duty you must be unarmed, yeah right, and that I couldn’t have my 80lb German Shepard walk with me because it might intimidate people. Hell yeah it might intimidate someone, that’s the point. At that point I got up, handed the flyer back and along with three others walked out. We still don’t have a Neighborhood Watch program, wonder why. Oh I should mention that the four of us who walked out (all combat veterans) take long walks at night with our guns and our dogs. HOOAH!


24 posted on 11/06/2013 4:20:41 AM PST by RetiredSACVet (Never Surrender!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a good start: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3088055/posts


25 posted on 11/06/2013 4:33:05 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: RetiredSACVet

“The knowledgeable officer then stated that while on volunteer duty you must be unarmed...”

You need a Constitutional sheriff to protect your neighborhood and families. We have one, and he encourages everyone to be armed and trained. He appears before women’s groups and tells them to buy a weapon for protection. He backs shooters who ventilate bad guys in self-defense shootings.

BTW, welcome to FR.


26 posted on 11/06/2013 4:41:45 AM PST by sergeantdave
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“We just don’t see the need for anybody to be armed,”...

That should work real well. (sarc)


27 posted on 11/06/2013 4:47:36 AM PST by Progov
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To: RetiredSACVet
Oh I should mention that the four of us who walked out (all combat veterans) take long walks at night with our guns and our dogs.

In essence, you are the de facto neighborhood watch program; you simply haven't been "credentialed" by some government entity. The United States used to function quite well with "un-credentialed' citizens performing such tasks. Then again, the Constitution was about all the authority one needed back then.

Mr. niteowl77

28 posted on 11/06/2013 4:57:29 AM PST by niteowl77 (Establishment Republicans possess fewer guts than the last gnat that hit the windshield of your car.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We need to care about what they are pushing.

Fair enough, but I'm more interested in how to sharpen our own message.

29 posted on 11/06/2013 6:36:51 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: stevie_d_64

:)


30 posted on 11/06/2013 6:48:03 AM PST by GOPJ (Many Nazi functionaries were “decent people”-but did evil things while at work.GladeCuru)
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To: StaffiT
Unfortunately the Liar in Chief is already armed...

...and he says he is "good at killing people."

31 posted on 11/06/2013 8:14:01 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We just don’t see the need for anybody to be armed,” Smith told the Associated Press

Are you and idiot?
Putting unarmed people out at night??
If Zimmerman had not been armed he might be dead instead of the perp..


32 posted on 11/06/2013 8:54:09 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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