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Fatherís heartache after police SHOOT DEAD son, 19,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2489533/Father-heartache-police-shoot-dead-son.html ^

Posted on 11/07/2013 1:39:26 AM PST by kelly4c

Full title too long, here's the rest: "when he reported van stolen to stop teenager from buying cigarettes"

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Iowa
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I can't imagine being the father and living with this.
1 posted on 11/07/2013 1:39:26 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: kelly4c

It’s a shame the young man is dead. Having said that it sure seems like stupidity ran in the family.


2 posted on 11/07/2013 1:47:27 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: kelly4c
The Comstock family said that the 19-year-old had recently split up with his girlfriend and was trying to get his life together after spending a few days in jail for disorderly conduct.

DUMB!!!!

3 posted on 11/07/2013 1:55:09 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: kelly4c

Des Moines Register article with police audio:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20131106/NEWS/311060044/?odyssey=nav|head


4 posted on 11/07/2013 1:55:58 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: vladimir998

Smoking kills.

Joking aside, sad for this man and son. The days of calling the cops over to give the kid a good scare and a talking to(happened a couple of times with me!) are over. As so many threads on FR attest to, be VERY careful in calling the cops. Not to say that this cop was over-aggressive (not knowing the entire story - maybe the kid was trying to run him down or something), but the presence of the cop obviously didn’t help matters.


5 posted on 11/07/2013 1:58:03 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve
maybe the kid was trying to run him down or something

Nah, it had to be the cops fault. /s

Police reported that during the chase with the teenager, Comstock rammed Officer McPherson’s car

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6 posted on 11/07/2013 2:01:35 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: vladimir998
It's not easy to teach young people respect for authority.
This generation may be no worse than previous ones but cops are less prone to tolerate threats because this is becoming a more dangerous environment; mental patients with guns are sprouting like mushrooms.
7 posted on 11/07/2013 2:05:45 AM PST by stormhill (Guns Save Lives!)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Thanks. I really should read the articles first. (nawwww).

And the cops MIGHT have made it worse, but it sounds like he was already driving erratically and could have hit pedestrians if he continued. (Or did he almost hit them while he was being chased?)

Sounds like he had anger issues too which didn't help.

8 posted on 11/07/2013 2:13:35 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: stormhill

Respect authority if authority deserves it.

Lately, there’s a lot of people in those positions that deserve NO respect and it appears to be getting worse.


9 posted on 11/07/2013 2:13:59 AM PST by maddog55
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To: kelly4c

Looks like another case of felonious revving of engine with intent to be uppity. Clearly a danger to the public safety and you can see why the cop had to shoot him. He feared for his life after all. (/s)

That said, the parents are darwin award contenders if they’re calling the police to deal with their parenting issues. What part of: Don’t pick up that phone and dial 9-1-1 unless you’re willing to see someone end up dead are people failing to understand?

Defund the police. A free and well armed people have little need for them.


10 posted on 11/07/2013 2:31:07 AM PST by RKBA Democrat ( There is no worst president but owebama, and valerie jarrett is his prophet.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Personally, I decided long ago that the only thing LE was good for was writing up accident reports for the insurance company. I protect myself and family, and we take care of our own problems now.


11 posted on 11/07/2013 2:39:45 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: RKBA Democrat
Tyler Comstock’s family said Tyler had made mistakes, but he was taking steps to get his life back on track.

Comstock had recently broken up with his girlfriend and was bouncing from house to house in Boone. He had spent several days in jail because of a disorderly conduct charge, the family said.

It's all the cops fault!

12 posted on 11/07/2013 2:48:51 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Gaffer
and as historians.

13 posted on 11/07/2013 2:56:18 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Unfortunately, historians from their own twisted, self-serving point of view.


14 posted on 11/07/2013 2:58:02 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: maddog55
Don't disagree.
However, it's prudent to respect any authority with a license to kill you whether they deserve that respect or not.

The wise place to fight the tyranny is at the ballot box and the political power levers; in the street, walk circumspectly and live to fight another day.

15 posted on 11/07/2013 2:58:26 AM PST by stormhill (Guns Save Lives!)
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To: kelly4c

So, trying to cut through the emotional BS and hand-ringing in the article it sounds something like:

1. Dumb dad sicks the cops on his son (what could possibly go wrong?)

2. Dumb son decides that pulling over is for suckers, he’ll just get in a car chase with the cops (what could possibly go wrong?)

3. After watching Dumbass Jr. nearly run over a few folks before crashing the truck, officers decide to permanently end the chase via the Smith and Wesson brand of conflict resolution before Dumbass Jr. can get the truck rolling again for round 2 of GTA 6: Iowa State University.

A quote from one of the articles: “So he didn’t shut the damn truck off, so let’s fire six rounds at him? We’re confused, and we don’t understand,” said the boy’s Step-Grandfather.

Yeah, well, I’m betting that’s not your first time being confused. Given the fact that Dumbass Jr. refused to pull over, sent a lawn and garden truck careening through a college campus, and then acted like he was trying to get the crashed truck moving again in order to plow through more student-infested college grounds, I can see why the officers there thought Dumbass Jr. wasn’t going to cooperate and was going to end up being a threat to more pedestrians. Come on, college students don’t even look up to see where the normal traffic is, you think they’ve got enough situational awareness to avoid someone crashing a truck through the lawn and parking lots?

Trying to get the cops off your ass by speeding through the college grounds is likely going to get someone killed. The fact that the step-grandad can’t grasp that leads me to believe that Dumbass Jr. was just continuing a family tradition of dumbassery.

Not that I advocate shooting every dumbass kid that thinks it’s a good idea to start a car chase with the police. I would have been happier if police had ripped Dumbass Jr. out of the truck and utilized non-lethal means of encouraging compliance until such a point that Dumbass Jr. ceased being a threat to life and limb, however that kind of response is not always going to be an option.

If the remaining options are letting someone play demolition derby on the ISU campus or shooting the dumbass, then I’m going to have to cast a vote for shooting the dumbass. Overall, it sounds like the officer shooting the kid was making a more rational decision than either the father or the son in this story.


16 posted on 11/07/2013 3:05:17 AM PST by jameslalor
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IndyStar.com (Gannett - link only). . .

http://www.indystar.com/article/D2/20131106/NEWS/311060044/Exclusive-Interview-ISU-case-police-action-baffles-family?nclick_check=1


17 posted on 11/07/2013 3:08:14 AM PST by deks
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To: RKBA Democrat

That father must not keep up with the news. I’ll admit to calling the police on my daughter many years ago after she took off in the car drunk at 16. I was worried about her state of mind, her safety, and that of others. They never did find her, we did. Now it’s a different story. It’s a rotten shame when those who once kept law and order (helped keep the public safe) are now the ones to be feared.

And without having all the details I’ll reserve judgement on this particular case however my first thoughts were the same.


18 posted on 11/07/2013 3:08:19 AM PST by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: 21twelve

Police reported that during the chase with the teenager, Comstock rammed Officer McPherson’s car. Once the truck had stopped, the teenager refused to turn it off and revved the engine.

Yeah, being stuck up against the tree like that sure endangered the cop's life.

19 posted on 11/07/2013 3:14:01 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: jameslalor
If the remaining options are letting someone play demolition derby on the ISU campus or shooting the dumbass, then I’m going to have to cast a vote for shooting the dumbass. Overall, it sounds like the officer shooting the kid was making a more rational decision than either the father or the son in this story.

If the punk had run into a group of students killing and injuring some, people would be complaining the cops didn't do anything to stop it.

20 posted on 11/07/2013 3:22:09 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: raybbr
Police reported that during the chase with the teenager, Comstock rammed Officer McPherson’s car.

I wonder if that is how the driver's side door on the truck got bashed in?

21 posted on 11/07/2013 3:24:52 AM PST by deks
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To: 21twelve

“As so many threads on FR attest to, be VERY careful in calling the cops.”

I would say, if it’s not a matter of a clear and present threat to life or limb DO NOT call them. Or maybe if you need to file a police report for insurance purposes.

One of the biggest myths in America is that cops treat white people good, that is to say, fairly. This is not true.


22 posted on 11/07/2013 3:33:38 AM PST by jocon307
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To: stormhill

Giving up freedom is a violent, and chaotic change. It’s a symptom of the liberal government. Everyone has their breaking point.

People with maybe slight depression, or past trauma just cannot take it anymore. So people are going nuts. Just wait till they try to take the guns.


23 posted on 11/07/2013 3:38:49 AM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: kelly4c

“Now it’s a different story.”

You wouldn’t do that now, would you? Because the cops might haul off and shoot her. Dead.

What’s with the shooting dead, btw? This guy, the kid with the air gun, why is it that the cops are actually killing these people rather than disabling them?

Maybe we need some new “rules of engagement” for our CIVILIAN police.


24 posted on 11/07/2013 3:41:16 AM PST by jocon307
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To: stormhill

Actually its becoming less dangerous except in a few very specific location.


25 posted on 11/07/2013 3:43:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Big IF lets deal with facts. That truck wasn’t going anywhere with the tree in front of it. But its easier to write paperwork for a shooting then wrestly a troubled kid to the ground.


26 posted on 11/07/2013 3:49:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jocon307

When in an armed conflict you never shoot to disable.You shoot to terminate the other party. If you pull that thing out, intend on killing what you shoot. That advise works for civilians and police. The reasons or lack of reason for the shooting will be reviewed in the court system for years.


27 posted on 11/07/2013 3:50:46 AM PST by Dave278 (Keep your change I will keep my freedom!!)
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To: kelly4c

“Once the truck had stopped, the teenager refused to turn it off and revved the engine.

Six shots were fired into the truck by the officer with two shots killing the 19-year-old, according to the medical examiner.”

I think they shot too early. If he tried to drive away after stopping that’s one thing (because he already rammed a car, etc.). Not following an order to turn the motor off is not a reason to shoot. Even if he sat there until the thing ran out of gas, the only harm would’ve been the cops had to wait. Maybe they couldn’t wait to buy their smokes either.


28 posted on 11/07/2013 3:51:09 AM PST by fruser1
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To: driftdiver
lets deal with facts. That truck wasn’t going anywhere with the tree in front of it.

Fact: No tree behind or on either side. Speculation; the kid committed suicide by cop.

29 posted on 11/07/2013 4:03:37 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Gaffer
Personally, I decided long ago that the only thing LE was good for was writing up accident reports for the insurance company. I protect myself and family, and we take care of our own problems now.

Amen.

30 posted on 11/07/2013 4:23:07 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Speculation- the cop wanted to kill something and no dogs were available.


31 posted on 11/07/2013 4:24:13 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Speculation

There is an abundance of that.

32 posted on 11/07/2013 4:32:36 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Yes but speculation doesn’t hurt anyone. Blind acceptance of deadly force by LE will result in more deaths.


33 posted on 11/07/2013 4:33:55 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
speculation doesn’t hurt anyone

But indeed it can. If TSA agents speculate that you might be a threat, prior to your departure, it could very well hurt your chances of arriving at your destination on time.

34 posted on 11/07/2013 4:43:17 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

So you’re ok with speculation involving deadly force but reject any oversight of law enforcement actions.

got it.


35 posted on 11/07/2013 4:44:59 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
got it.

Got what? An aneurysm?

36 posted on 11/07/2013 4:48:40 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

that corrupt cops who abuse their power hate the light

and too many other cops are happy to cover up the actions of their fellow cops.


37 posted on 11/07/2013 4:54:22 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
corrupt cops who abuse their power hate the light

Don't most corrupt people hate the light?

too many other cops are happy to cover up the actions of their fellow cops.

Same can be said of members of the military, professional sports teams, political parties, churches, etc., etc, etc.

38 posted on 11/07/2013 4:58:52 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

everyone else does it is your excuse then?


39 posted on 11/07/2013 5:01:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Excuse? What are you, 8 years old? Have you no comprehension whatsoever?


40 posted on 11/07/2013 5:04:18 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Gaffer

Yeah...paging (Historian) Miss Goodwin.


41 posted on 11/07/2013 5:30:43 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Dave278

“You shoot to terminate the other party.”

I don’t mean to be contentious, but it was never my understanding that the usual police procedure was “shoot to kill”.


42 posted on 11/07/2013 5:35:19 AM PST by jocon307
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To: RKBA Democrat

There are tough decisions to be made with some of these ‘out of control’ kids.

Just this past weekend I had a pet sit job to do. Showed up Saturday evening to get the dog, strange car in the driveway and young kid in the house watching the TV. Kid matched the photo on the fireplace mantel so I figured he was family. BUT...NO ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

Kid took his duffle bag and beat feet out the door with lots of stutters and stammering. Of course I called the dad to let him know the kid was there. Dad acknowledged the kid and ‘reason’ for being there.

I got back the next morning at 6:30am to find 6 cars and a dozens teenagers in the house. My ‘mommy-sense’ said to go back the night before to check on the house, but it wasn’t my kid. And ...what should I have done if I had actually caught them at their ‘party.’ A bunch of high-school kids, unsupervised, in a house that isn’t supposed to be occupied, and the kid doesn’t live there? I had already called the Dad the night before. So I sent a simple text message to the Dad. Son...SLEEPOVER AT YOUR HOUSE and left.

But ...what should have happened? I would have loved to have called the cops and had the dozen or so kids arrested for criminal trespass. A bunch of underage teenagers...where the hell were their parents to begin with...kids out all night long?


43 posted on 11/07/2013 5:50:03 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

So thats a yes?

Everyone is corrupt so whats the big deal, right?


44 posted on 11/07/2013 6:09:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: skinkinthegrass
Doris Kearns Goodwin.....the quintessential liar expert of NPR, sycophant media outlets and liars-of-record.

This esteemed lady historian, along with 400 other noted 'historians', signed her name to a NYT full-page testament that “a blow job is not an impeachable offense.”

45 posted on 11/07/2013 6:13:13 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: driftdiver
"Speculation - the cop wanted to kill something and no dogs were available."

Police dogs have not yet been trained to shoot suspects on command.

But I'll bet they're working on that now.

Leni

46 posted on 11/07/2013 6:22:13 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: maddog55

We’re supposed to respect authority because it is acting under legitimate authority, the Constitution, and ultimately, God.

What we’re seeing now is “respect our authority even if we’re acting illegitimately, or we’ll shoot you.”


47 posted on 11/07/2013 6:24:06 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: stormhill
This generation may be no worse than previous ones but cops are less prone to tolerate threats because this is becoming a more dangerous environment; mental patients with guns are sprouting like mushrooms.

It's certainly more dangerous to be a citizen or a dog, but I really don't see a lot of news stories about cops dying in the streets. Sorry, but being a cop isn't a particularly dangerous job. If you want real danger, try being a pizza deliveryman, or a cab driver.

The most dangerous place for a cop to be is standing beside the road collecting taxes for the police state. Not because anyone particularly targets them, but because accidents happen.

48 posted on 11/07/2013 7:08:07 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Oh, give it a break. There is plenty of blame to go around here.

So, I’m saying that it’s at least as much Dads fault, kids fault and cops fault. 33% each and 1% someone elses fault.

If the kid hadn’t been an dumbass he’d still be alive.

If dad hadn’t been a dumbass, the kid would still be alive.

And, If the cop hadn’t shot the kid he would still be alive.

Satisfied?


49 posted on 11/07/2013 7:23:36 AM PST by saleman (')
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To: saleman

well at least the cop went home safe


50 posted on 11/07/2013 8:30:35 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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