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Posted on 11/07/2013 1:39:26 AM PST by kelly4c
Full title too long, here's the rest: "when he reported van stolen to stop teenager from buying cigarettes"
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It’s a shame the young man is dead. Having said that it sure seems like stupidity ran in the family.
Des Moines Register article with police audio:
Joking aside, sad for this man and son. The days of calling the cops over to give the kid a good scare and a talking to(happened a couple of times with me!) are over. As so many threads on FR attest to, be VERY careful in calling the cops. Not to say that this cop was over-aggressive (not knowing the entire story - maybe the kid was trying to run him down or something), but the presence of the cop obviously didn’t help matters.
Nah, it had to be the cops fault. /s
Police reported that during the chase with the teenager, Comstock rammed Officer McPhersons car
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And the cops MIGHT have made it worse, but it sounds like he was already driving erratically and could have hit pedestrians if he continued. (Or did he almost hit them while he was being chased?)
Sounds like he had anger issues too which didn't help.
Respect authority if authority deserves it.
Lately, there’s a lot of people in those positions that deserve NO respect and it appears to be getting worse.
Looks like another case of felonious revving of engine with intent to be uppity. Clearly a danger to the public safety and you can see why the cop had to shoot him. He feared for his life after all. (/s)
That said, the parents are darwin award contenders if they’re calling the police to deal with their parenting issues. What part of: Don’t pick up that phone and dial 9-1-1 unless you’re willing to see someone end up dead are people failing to understand?
Defund the police. A free and well armed people have little need for them.
Personally, I decided long ago that the only thing LE was good for was writing up accident reports for the insurance company. I protect myself and family, and we take care of our own problems now.
Comstock had recently broken up with his girlfriend and was bouncing from house to house in Boone. He had spent several days in jail because of a disorderly conduct charge, the family said.
It's all the cops fault!
Unfortunately, historians from their own twisted, self-serving point of view.
The wise place to fight the tyranny is at the ballot box and the political power levers; in the street, walk circumspectly and live to fight another day.
So, trying to cut through the emotional BS and hand-ringing in the article it sounds something like:
1. Dumb dad sicks the cops on his son (what could possibly go wrong?)
2. Dumb son decides that pulling over is for suckers, he’ll just get in a car chase with the cops (what could possibly go wrong?)
3. After watching Dumbass Jr. nearly run over a few folks before crashing the truck, officers decide to permanently end the chase via the Smith and Wesson brand of conflict resolution before Dumbass Jr. can get the truck rolling again for round 2 of GTA 6: Iowa State University.
A quote from one of the articles: So he didnt shut the damn truck off, so lets fire six rounds at him? Were confused, and we dont understand, said the boy’s Step-Grandfather.
Yeah, well, I’m betting that’s not your first time being confused. Given the fact that Dumbass Jr. refused to pull over, sent a lawn and garden truck careening through a college campus, and then acted like he was trying to get the crashed truck moving again in order to plow through more student-infested college grounds, I can see why the officers there thought Dumbass Jr. wasn’t going to cooperate and was going to end up being a threat to more pedestrians. Come on, college students don’t even look up to see where the normal traffic is, you think they’ve got enough situational awareness to avoid someone crashing a truck through the lawn and parking lots?
Trying to get the cops off your ass by speeding through the college grounds is likely going to get someone killed. The fact that the step-grandad can’t grasp that leads me to believe that Dumbass Jr. was just continuing a family tradition of dumbassery.
Not that I advocate shooting every dumbass kid that thinks it’s a good idea to start a car chase with the police. I would have been happier if police had ripped Dumbass Jr. out of the truck and utilized non-lethal means of encouraging compliance until such a point that Dumbass Jr. ceased being a threat to life and limb, however that kind of response is not always going to be an option.
If the remaining options are letting someone play demolition derby on the ISU campus or shooting the dumbass, then I’m going to have to cast a vote for shooting the dumbass. Overall, it sounds like the officer shooting the kid was making a more rational decision than either the father or the son in this story.
IndyStar.com (Gannett - link only). . .
That father must not keep up with the news. I’ll admit to calling the police on my daughter many years ago after she took off in the car drunk at 16. I was worried about her state of mind, her safety, and that of others. They never did find her, we did. Now it’s a different story. It’s a rotten shame when those who once kept law and order (helped keep the public safe) are now the ones to be feared.
And without having all the details I’ll reserve judgement on this particular case however my first thoughts were the same.
Police reported that during the chase with the teenager, Comstock rammed Officer McPhersons car. Once the truck had stopped, the teenager refused to turn it off and revved the engine.
Yeah, being stuck up against the tree like that sure endangered the cop's life.
If the punk had run into a group of students killing and injuring some, people would be complaining the cops didn't do anything to stop it.
I wonder if that is how the driver's side door on the truck got bashed in?
“As so many threads on FR attest to, be VERY careful in calling the cops.”
I would say, if it’s not a matter of a clear and present threat to life or limb DO NOT call them. Or maybe if you need to file a police report for insurance purposes.
One of the biggest myths in America is that cops treat white people good, that is to say, fairly. This is not true.
Giving up freedom is a violent, and chaotic change. It’s a symptom of the liberal government. Everyone has their breaking point.
People with maybe slight depression, or past trauma just cannot take it anymore. So people are going nuts. Just wait till they try to take the guns.
“Now its a different story.”
You wouldn’t do that now, would you? Because the cops might haul off and shoot her. Dead.
What’s with the shooting dead, btw? This guy, the kid with the air gun, why is it that the cops are actually killing these people rather than disabling them?
Maybe we need some new “rules of engagement” for our CIVILIAN police.
Actually its becoming less dangerous except in a few very specific location.
Big IF lets deal with facts. That truck wasn’t going anywhere with the tree in front of it. But its easier to write paperwork for a shooting then wrestly a troubled kid to the ground.
When in an armed conflict you never shoot to disable.You shoot to terminate the other party. If you pull that thing out, intend on killing what you shoot. That advise works for civilians and police. The reasons or lack of reason for the shooting will be reviewed in the court system for years.
“Once the truck had stopped, the teenager refused to turn it off and revved the engine.
Six shots were fired into the truck by the officer with two shots killing the 19-year-old, according to the medical examiner.”
I think they shot too early. If he tried to drive away after stopping that’s one thing (because he already rammed a car, etc.). Not following an order to turn the motor off is not a reason to shoot. Even if he sat there until the thing ran out of gas, the only harm would’ve been the cops had to wait. Maybe they couldn’t wait to buy their smokes either.
Fact: No tree behind or on either side. Speculation; the kid committed suicide by cop.
Speculation- the cop wanted to kill something and no dogs were available.
There is an abundance of that.
Yes but speculation doesn’t hurt anyone. Blind acceptance of deadly force by LE will result in more deaths.
But indeed it can. If TSA agents speculate that you might be a threat, prior to your departure, it could very well hurt your chances of arriving at your destination on time.
So you’re ok with speculation involving deadly force but reject any oversight of law enforcement actions.
Got what? An aneurysm?
that corrupt cops who abuse their power hate the light
and too many other cops are happy to cover up the actions of their fellow cops.
Don't most corrupt people hate the light?
too many other cops are happy to cover up the actions of their fellow cops.
Same can be said of members of the military, professional sports teams, political parties, churches, etc., etc, etc.
everyone else does it is your excuse then?
Excuse? What are you, 8 years old? Have you no comprehension whatsoever?
Yeah...paging (Historian) Miss Goodwin.
“You shoot to terminate the other party.”
I don’t mean to be contentious, but it was never my understanding that the usual police procedure was “shoot to kill”.
There are tough decisions to be made with some of these ‘out of control’ kids.
Just this past weekend I had a pet sit job to do. Showed up Saturday evening to get the dog, strange car in the driveway and young kid in the house watching the TV. Kid matched the photo on the fireplace mantel so I figured he was family. BUT...NO ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
Kid took his duffle bag and beat feet out the door with lots of stutters and stammering. Of course I called the dad to let him know the kid was there. Dad acknowledged the kid and ‘reason’ for being there.
I got back the next morning at 6:30am to find 6 cars and a dozens teenagers in the house. My ‘mommy-sense’ said to go back the night before to check on the house, but it wasn’t my kid. And ...what should I have done if I had actually caught them at their ‘party.’ A bunch of high-school kids, unsupervised, in a house that isn’t supposed to be occupied, and the kid doesn’t live there? I had already called the Dad the night before. So I sent a simple text message to the Dad. Son...SLEEPOVER AT YOUR HOUSE and left.
But ...what should have happened? I would have loved to have called the cops and had the dozen or so kids arrested for criminal trespass. A bunch of underage teenagers...where the hell were their parents to begin with...kids out all night long?
So thats a yes?
Everyone is corrupt so whats the big deal, right?
This esteemed lady historian, along with 400 other noted 'historians', signed her name to a NYT full-page testament that “a blow job is not an impeachable offense.”
Police dogs have not yet been trained to shoot suspects on command.
But I'll bet they're working on that now.
We’re supposed to respect authority because it is acting under legitimate authority, the Constitution, and ultimately, God.
What we’re seeing now is “respect our authority even if we’re acting illegitimately, or we’ll shoot you.”
It's certainly more dangerous to be a citizen or a dog, but I really don't see a lot of news stories about cops dying in the streets. Sorry, but being a cop isn't a particularly dangerous job. If you want real danger, try being a pizza deliveryman, or a cab driver.
The most dangerous place for a cop to be is standing beside the road collecting taxes for the police state. Not because anyone particularly targets them, but because accidents happen.
Oh, give it a break. There is plenty of blame to go around here.
So, I’m saying that it’s at least as much Dads fault, kids fault and cops fault. 33% each and 1% someone elses fault.
If the kid hadn’t been an dumbass he’d still be alive.
If dad hadn’t been a dumbass, the kid would still be alive.
And, If the cop hadn’t shot the kid he would still be alive.
well at least the cop went home safe