Posted on 11/08/2013 6:35:23 AM PST by GIdget2004
“I don’t wanna be overly cocky”
Close Mitch. Your really, reeeeeeally close to what I call you...why don’t you try again and see if you can hit in on the head.
I didn't make such an assertion.
If McConnell were the rules genius you claim,
I didn't make such a claim.
If that's your view, then you are not my friend/FRiend either.
Suit yourself. It's your loss.
For the last 20 years conservatives have tried it your way - not primarying RINOs and/or holding our noses and voting for the odious GOP moderate.
Yet again, I didn't make such a suggestion.
Why are you so afraid of letting the good people of Kentucky choose their GOP Senate nominee?
I'm not, never said I was, never even implied I was.
It appears to me that you need to improve your reading comprehension skills because you clearly misinterpreted - seemingly intentionally so - every single word I wrote. You inferred assertions, claims, suggestions, and emotions that were neither made nor implied.
If you want to vote with your FRiend for a Democrat, good luck with that plan. We can part ways right here because I ain't votin' for a Godless, big-government, liberty-hating, Democrat over a Republican with a conservative voting record in any general election this side of Christ's return.
Speak for yourself. If you don't care whether or not we take the Senate, perhaps you're not paying attention to the extent of the destruction wrought upon us by Democrat Rule since 2008.
Nah man. It’s all about the burn now. I’m done with the GOP entirely. What’s left of the GOP after 2016 can caucus with the Tea Party.
Exactly. I read the Noonan piece Saturday morning and was struck by 2 things: 1) there must be a cutout somewhere for what a senate majority leader looks like because Reid and McConnell could be cousins, and 2) McConnell is dead-on right about the numbers: at 55-45 there isn’t much that can be done. Fortunately there are some good races in 2014 and the GOP should do well enough.
What McConnell and other GOP senators need to realize is that the “radicalization” of the House GOP is not an isolated matter; it has happened in the state legislatures and governorships as well. So in a very real sense GOP voters are used to more conservative representation and governance at the state level and in the House of Reps. As these people gain experience, they will start shooting for higher office (Senate). Ted Cruz is an early indicator of what is percolating up.
But says he isn’t worried about his own race: “I don’t wanna be overly cocky, but I’m gonna be the Republican nominee next year.”
The problem Mitch will face is two-fold, A March Primary date for an election and a ‘closed’ republican primary. That means turn-out is the key. People who are pissed at a candidate are much more likely to turn out and vote than those who merely like or approve of a candidate.
And there are a LOT of republicans in this state that are pissed at Mitch McConnell. And as time moves on and the destruction that follows in the wake of Obamacare is more evident the number of pissed-off people will only increase.
As far as the ones who vote for the party of ‘hand-outs’... All it will take is ‘one’ screw-up in the EBT’s or other such things that lasts longer than three days and it’s all over but the weeping.
“and will not vote for my congressman Rogers who is a porkers porker. I swear he is closing in on Sheets Byrd for title of the king of pork.”
My Mom and Dad live in his district and they say the same thing. “Vote the Bums out!”
Mittens bragged (brug? done brugged?) that he would get all the votes in the Texas primary last year (which was being delayed by Democratic "scorched-earth" litigation intended to do just that). Asked why he wasn't actively campaigning in Texas or at least fence-mending, he laughed and said, "They'll come to me when I'm the last man standing."
Oh, yeah, Mitt? Noted, and remembered. ("I'm here to tell you!")
If he kept silence, you'd think the RiNOate would have showered him with money, as a reward.
But they made up for that by getting "Helicopter Ben" Bernanke and Henry O. "Hank the Shank" Paulsen to get together, cobble up some banker-b.s. back-room necromancy, and crush the commodities space ... and my IRA along with it .... by deliberately invoking rules that started a panic among the commodities and tangibles "longs".
Oh, and eventually broke Lehman Brothers by breaking their leveraged commodities funds ..... ooops, a block of Lehman Credit Default Swaps just crossed the market at 20 cents on the dollar ..... ooops, all the big banks in the world are instantaneously bankrupt!
Oooops! Damn!
Well, we never did like Dick Fuld at Lehman anyway ....
BT - I didn't make such an assertion.
BuckeyeTexan Post #55 - "We can't afford to lose even one good conservative in 2014."
What does your above statement mean? Most readers would infer it to mean that you don't believe Bevin has as good a chance to retain the Kentucky Senate seat as McConnell. If that is not what your statement meant, please clarify.
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SSB - If McConnell were the rules genius you claim,...
BT - I didn't make such a claim.
BuckeyeTexan Post #77 - "McConnell does what he can to obstruct Reid's agenda, which is why the Democrats have labeled him 'Senator Gridlock,'..."
OK, some hyperbole on my part, but you clearly stated that you hold Mitch's rules knowledge in as high a level of esteem as the Senate Democrats who label Mitch as "Senator Gridlock.
Besides, you have taken my complaint out of context. The point of my comment was that Dems' nickname for Mitch is really false praise (ala Brer Rabbit) and that you & Mitch and the GOPe are suckers for believing it. At a minimum, you clearly believe Mitch to be competent in his knowledge and application of Senate rules. Given his lackluster results, I question Mitch's rules competency AND consider his application of the rules to be woefully inadequate.
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SSB - For the last 20 years conservatives have tried it your way - not primarying RINOs and/or holding our noses and voting for the odious GOP moderate.
BT - Yet again, I didn't make such a suggestion.
Wha?? The entire point of your postings is to discourage the unruly Tea Partiers from primarying Mitch McConnell! You appear to suggest that Conservatives should not engage in such a coordinated action unless authorized by a FR state committee/subcommittee who has examined the incumbent's voting record. Hell's bells, you even volunteered to serve on your fantasy committee! Do you realize how GOPe that sounds?
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SSB - Why are you so afraid of letting the good people of Kentucky choose their GOP Senate nominee?
BT - I'm not, never said I was, never even implied I was.
BuckeyeTexan, Post #33 - "I will not be led around by the nose banging the primary drums against any candidate who has a solid, conservative voting record."
I'll type this more slowly, so you will understand it better. A conservative voting record in the Senate means next to nothing!!!
It should be nearly impossible for any GOP member to not have a conservative voting record with Mitch McConnell aiding and abetting Dingy Harry's list of the items that are voted on in the Senate. Amazingly, Juan McCain, Linda Graham & a few other RINOs clear that barrier quite frequently.
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It appears to me that you need to improve your reading comprehension skills because you clearly misinterpreted - seemingly intentionally so - every single word I wrote. You inferred assertions, claims, suggestions, and emotions that were neither made nor implied.
If you want to vote with your FRiend for a Democrat, good luck with that plan. We can part ways right here because I ain't votin' for a Godless, big-government, liberty-hating, Democrat over a Republican with a conservative voting record in any general election this side of Christ's return.
No comprehension problem here. Vote for whomever you want, but don't come to FR & pay lipservice to conservativism while accusing the Senate Conservative Fund of false statements (yet acknowledging you have no info on the particulars) and painting those who want to see Mitch McConnell removed from the Senate as unruly rubes in a circular firing squad.
If conservative voters in the Commonwealth of Kentucky want to send a message to Mitch (and the GOPe) by voting for the Democrat, I will defend their right to vote that way -- even if I disagree or dislike it -- as much as I will defend YOUR right to vote FOR Mitch McConnell or whatever GOPe/faux-Conservative Senate candidate you seem to want to support. Furthermore, I ain't votin' for a Godless, big-government, liberty-hating GOPe RINO in any general election this side of Christ's return.
What does your above statement mean? Most readers would infer it to mean that you don't believe Bevin has as good a chance to retain the Kentucky Senate seat as McConnell. If that is not what your statement meant, please clarify.
No, most readers would not infer that because I didn't mention McConnell or Bevin in that statement. I provided the necessary clarification with the sentence you quoted:
We can't afford to lose even one good conservative in 2014. We must make educated decisions about our candidates not knee-jerk, reactionary decisions that will damage our chances to take back our party.One third of the Senate is up for re-election in 2014 not just McConnell's seat. That statement applies generally to all conservatives up for re-election.
OK, some hyperbole on my part, but you clearly stated that you hold Mitch's rules knowledge in as high a level of esteem as the Senate Democrats who label Mitch as "Senator Gridlock.
No, I most certainly did not. I said, and I quote:
McConnell does what he can to obstruct Reid's agenda,How you got "high esteem" or "competent" from that is beyond me. If I said "I do what I can to be a good Christian and avoid sinning," would you infer that I hold myself up as a perfect Christian who does not sin? (I sure hope not.)
The entire point of your postings is to discourage the unruly Tea Partiers from primarying Mitch McConnell!
No, it was not. The entire point of my post was to caution FReepers about labeling those with conservative voting records as enemies and voting for Democrats. I support Bevin in the primary, but if he loses, I will support McConnell in the general election over a Democrat.
You appear to suggest that Conservatives should not engage in such a coordinated action unless authorized by a FR state committee/subcommittee who has examined the incumbent's voting record.
Nope. I suggested that we take FR activism to a whole new level by coordinating our research and trying to form a consensus - whatever that consensus may be.
Vote for whomever you want, but don't come to FR & pay lipservice to conservativism
If and when JimRob or the mods tell me to GTFO, I will do so.
while accusing the Senate Conservative Fund of false statements (yet acknowledging you have no info on the particulars)
The Senate Conservatives Fund did provide misinformation about the Continuing Resolution's effect on defunding Obamacare. I do have specific information because I pointed it out to FReeper Jane Long who sent the corrected information to the SCF. What I said was that I didn't know much about that group, which is a big difference from what you inferred.
and painting those who want to see Mitch McConnell removed from the Senate as unruly rubes in a circular firing squad.
I did no such thing. Yet again, you took a general statement about the 2014 primaries as a whole and applied it solely to McConnell and Bevin. I fully support the effort to primary Mitch McConnell precisely because I have examined his voting record. He's a 90/10 party-line voter.
If conservative voters in the Commonwealth of Kentucky want to send a message to Mitch (and the GOPe) by voting for the Democrat, I will defend their right to vote that way -- even if I disagree or dislike it -- as much as I will defend YOUR right to vote FOR Mitch McConnell or whatever GOPe/faux-Conservative Senate candidate you seem to want to support.
Any voter has the absolute right to vote for whomever he wants. I don't have to support it or like it. That wasn't the point. The point was that if McConnell wins the primary against Bevin, it is assinine to vote for a Democrat in the 2014 general election when we need every single conservative seat we can get.
Again, I ain't votin' for a Godless, big-government, liberty-hating, Democrat over a Republican with a conservative voting record in any general election this side of Christ's return.
Wait...you said earlier in the thread that Mitch had a conservative record and we shouldn't try to defeat our own and...whatever.
I'll just step back, let you argue with yourself and ignore your posts in the future.
It's clear that you have no idea what I actually said. That's because you made multiple, repeated, erroneous assumptions.
I'll just (...) ignore your posts in the future.
That would be great. Thank you.
Cucci didn’t speak out to support the children slain in the womb, didn’t get money? Hummm wonder why.
If he kept silence, you’d think the RiNOate would have showered him with money, as a reward.
INTERESTING. Yeah so in other words, the GOP really didn’t want to win Va, but why? Well I just will not ....simply will not support a political party whose representatives are incapable of winning a debate, or even have the courage to participate in a debate over the killing of unborn babies.
Rush was saying last week, in fact he waxed pretty hot about it, that the RiNO crowd are absolutely determined to drive every Tea Partier out of the GOP. They talk crap about the Tea Party and that's all it is -- the real reason is, the Tea Party isn't People Like Us. Or more specifically, the Tea Party isn't run by Us Who Am.
Control of the Party, control of the teats, all that stuff. That's what those RiNO's are all about, and that's what they want to "preserve" from the "extremist elements" in the GOP (us), on whom they've been pounding continuously without surcease since 1952. In every single campaign season since then, they have beaten the crap out of Main Street Republicans who were not proteges and darlings of People Like Us.
I’m no fan of McConnell but he is only the minority leader in the senate and has about as much power as the queen of england. His voting record is very conservative though.
Boehner put the Senate bill on the floor because McConnell had already pulled the rug out from under him by negotiating and then supporting the Senate bill.
Once the Senate Republicans abandoned the House Republicans, there was no hope of prevailing.
And, if I'm not mistaken, that is the third time McConnell has pulled the rug out from under Boehner and the House.
Harry Reid knows that, when the going gets tough, Mitch McConnell will always be there to wave the white flag.
Let's not forget that it was also Mitch's idea to give the President the power to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling, giving away whatever leverage the House Republicans might have at the next "shutdown crisis".
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