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Jury finds Utah doctor guilty in wife's death in bathtub
AP/FoxNews.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2013

Posted on 11/09/2013 9:52:57 AM PST by Colofornian

Edited on 11/09/2013 9:54:50 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

PROVO, UTAH A jury convicted a doctor of murder early Saturday in the death of his wife six years ago, bringing an end to a trial that became the nation's latest true-crime cable TV obsession with its tales of plastic surgery and philandering, betrayal and family feuding, jailhouse snitches and a courtroom prop: a jetted bathtub.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: antichristian; doctor; macneill; mistress; mormon; murder
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A jury convicted a doctor of murder early Saturday in the death of his wife six years ago, bringing an end to a trial that became the nation's latest true-crime cable TV obsession with its tales of plastic surgery and philandering, betrayal and family feuding, jailhouse snitches and a courtroom prop: a jetted bathtub. Martin MacNeill was accused of knocking out Michele MacNeill with drugs after cosmetic surgery, then leaving her to die in a tub like the one displayed in court. Prosecutors asserted that he may have held her underwater for good measure and that he did it to take up a new life with another woman...The case shocked the Mormon community of Pleasant Grove, 35 miles south of Salt Lake City, and captured national attention because the defendant was a wealthy doctor and a lawyer, a father of eight in a picture-perfect family and former bishop in his local congregation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

From another source: "The youngest of her eight children, 6-year-old Ada, was the first person to find her."
Mormon-church owned source: Jury convicts Martin MacNeill of drowning his wife in bathtub

What kind of monster murders their wife and then leaves it to his 6-year-old daughter to find her dead?

1 posted on 11/09/2013 9:52:58 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

“What kind of monster murders their wife and then leaves it to his 6-year-old daughter to find her dead?”

One who wants a good alibi.


2 posted on 11/09/2013 9:55:23 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the pemople fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Colofornian
picture-perfect family

there is always something wrong with this picture

3 posted on 11/09/2013 9:55:51 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Colofornian

One of his earlier Mistresses said he said he had done it earlier when he drowned his brother.


4 posted on 11/09/2013 9:57:57 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: bigheadfred

Yep, no family is perfect.


5 posted on 11/09/2013 9:59:35 AM PST by MamaB
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It will be very interesting to see what the sentence will be:

Per the Provo Herald (the city where the trial was):

"MacNeill will be sentenced on January 7th and could serve 15 years to life in prison on the murder charge and one to 15 years on the obstruction of justice charge when he is sentenced."
Source: Jury finds Martin MacNeill guilty of murder, obstruction of justice

6 posted on 11/09/2013 10:00:00 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: MamaB; Dan(9698); All
One of his earlier Mistresses said he said he had done it earlier when he drowned his brother. -- Dan(9698)

Yep, no family is perfect. -- MamaB

Well, if what Dan(9698) says is so, this guy allegedly got away with one "perfect" murder and almost another!

But, hey, you're right. Just a murder or two. (No family's "perfect")

7 posted on 11/09/2013 10:03:36 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Dan(9698)

Do you know the actual story on his brother?


8 posted on 11/09/2013 10:03:39 AM PST by rejoicing
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To: Dan(9698)

Just did a search and found this: http://www.ksl.com/?sid=21854376


9 posted on 11/09/2013 10:13:09 AM PST by rejoicing
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Sample short list of other Mormon murderers (excluding list of Mountain Meadows Massacre):

Mormon murderers

10 posted on 11/09/2013 10:15:13 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: rejoicing; Dan(9698)
Yes, that KSL.com source -- Daughter, sister say charges confirm suspicions that doctor killed wife you linked was a good find...from that source (which is also owned by the Mormon church):

"MacNeill also had an affair with another woman for several months about two years before his wife's death, according to prosecutors. She told her psychiatrist she was having an affair with a "serial killer," an affidavit states. She said MacNeill told her he'd tried to kill his mother when he was young, but his sister called 911 and medical personnel revived her. He also said he'd killed his brother in a bathtub, told the woman he wanted to kill a daughter and offered to kill the woman's husband "to relieve her of an abusive relationship," an arrest warrant states. MacNeill told the woman he had written an article in the Journal of American Medical Association titled, "It's Over, Debbie." The article was written by a doctor promoting "mercy killing," who euthanized a patient with an overdose of a sedative pain killer but was never held accountable, according to court documents. "The defendant said he, too, had killed and discussed ways in which he could take another's life without being caught," prosecutors wrote in the charging documents filed Friday." Read more at http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=21854376#g49t8qjQmkB7Y2zL.99

11 posted on 11/09/2013 10:20:56 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: rejoicing
Do you know the actual story on his brother?

Only what his previous mistress said in a TV interview

She said he told her about it in "pillow talk"

She said he helped him (the brother) out by holding his head under water for a while. I don't know what that means.

12 posted on 11/09/2013 10:21:03 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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Also from that KSL.com source -- Daughter, sister say charges confirm suspicions that doctor killed wife:

"MacNeill, a former clinical director of the Utah State Developmental Center, was released from a Texas federal prison July 6 after serving a three-year sentence for fraud, forgery and identity theft."

Remember, MacNeill was a former Lds bishop...something a lot of these Mormon church sources (Deseret News, KSL.com) -- and Mormon-saturated sources (Provo Herald) aren't mentioning.

13 posted on 11/09/2013 10:23:37 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Butch Cassidy was born in southern Utah and was raised as a Mormon.


14 posted on 11/09/2013 10:25:03 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Colofornian
Last night there was a guy on HLN who said he had been excommunicated.

Not for this murder but for something earlier.

It happens.

15 posted on 11/09/2013 10:28:01 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)
Butch Cassidy was born in southern Utah and was raised as a Mormon.

See: Infamous Mormons: Latter-day Saints who have behaved very badly, notorious criminals

16 posted on 11/09/2013 10:32:38 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Dan(9698)

Yeah...see post #13: fraud, forgery, theft...served three years for apparently triple felonies...


17 posted on 11/09/2013 10:33:52 AM PST by Colofornian
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Ya know, my Mormon relatives are nice.

They're great.

For some reason, tho, we just don't get all the "My Mormon neighbors are nice" and "My Mormon co-workers are nice" comments on threads like this...

18 posted on 11/09/2013 10:36:06 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Whether other people are nice doesn’t have anything to do with this murder story.


19 posted on 11/09/2013 10:39:31 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Colofornian
This has been "snipped" a bit, but provides some other info on Martin MacNeill...

It wasn’t until MacNeill’s release in July 2012 from a federal prison in Texas on charges of fraud that Utah prosecutors moved to file charges of murder and obstruction of justice.

(Gypsy)Willis (the mistress) also served a federal sentence for using the identity of one of MacNeill’s adopted daughters to escape a debt-heavy history. That daughter had been sent back to Ukraine, supposedly only for a summer.

For a time, MacNeill’s only family defender was his only son. Damian, a 24-year-old law student, committed suicide in January 2010, according to his sisters, who have said he was haunted by their mother’s death.

Investigators who subpoenaed MacNeill’s own medical records found he was in good health. And they discovered something else: MacNeill had been collecting veteran benefits for decades, saying in an application he had bipolar or anti-social disorders.

MacNeill’s arrest warrant contains a former girlfriend’s explosive allegation — not used at the trial — that MacNeill killed a brother and tried to kill his mother long ago. Utah investigators confirmed the brother, Rufus Roy MacNeill, was found dead in a bathtub in New Jersey. They determined MacNeill was never charged and found no indication he was ever under investigation for it. --- PAUL FOY

20 posted on 11/09/2013 11:11:25 AM PST by ~Vor~ (Freeper since 10/98)
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Wonder if the suicide of this guy’s son was under any suspicious circumstances...


21 posted on 11/09/2013 11:14:05 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I followed the last few days of this case live and Mormon or not, this guy is a sociopath.


22 posted on 11/09/2013 11:19:52 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Colofornian

Blood atonement anyone?


23 posted on 11/09/2013 11:22:00 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: reaganaut

Gary Gilmore style?


24 posted on 11/09/2013 11:25:53 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: reaganaut
Of course, he could only get 15 years...out again to _________________
25 posted on 11/09/2013 11:26:38 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: MamaB
Yep, no family is perfect.

Your comment reminds me of a well known event from years ago.The 1990's...William Kennedy Smith is accused of rape.Uncle Teddy,Old Wooden Liver,is telling reporters what did (and didn't) happen.A reporter,at one point,asked him something like "why do the Kennedys seem to have so much trouble with the law?" to which he answered something like "well,we're a large Irish family and you're bound to find occasional trouble in such families".

I,too,come from a large Irish family.*Boston* Irish,in fact...just like the Kenndys.But not a *single* member of my large Irish family has ever drowned anyone,ever killed a young girl with a golf club,ever died of a heroin OD,ever been charged with heroin possession,ever been accused of rape,ever been investigated for diddling an underage girl (or boy),etc.Every single deceased member of my family died of natural causes...except my niece,who was killed by a drunk driver (she was blameless).

26 posted on 11/09/2013 11:31:34 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Colofornian

I haven’t heard...I watched the trial from start to finish (which was this morning at 3AM eastern when the jury delivered their verdict)and didn’t hear anything mentioned about it...and yes, I am a trial addict in need of a 12-step program...:)


27 posted on 11/09/2013 11:34:47 AM PST by ~Vor~ (Freeper since 10/98)
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To: Colofornian

Some of those can’t be mass murderers.

They don’t have a middle name....


28 posted on 11/09/2013 11:38:26 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Colofornian

I’m expecting life plus the 15 for the obstruction. Simply because he committed the ‘unpardonable sin’ - he embarrassed “the Church”.


29 posted on 11/09/2013 11:58:20 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Colofornian

A family member founded what became the Provo Herald, he pledged to report no matter who it offended.


30 posted on 11/09/2013 12:06:53 PM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: Colofornian

My Mormon neighbor is really nice.

But if she is a secret serial killer, I’d like to find a way to leave a list of people for her.


31 posted on 11/09/2013 12:09:45 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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Good to hear...
I have seen some more transparent reporting thru the years of the Provo Herald...but ya know...
...with journalists ya gotta a wide range...many liberal...tendency to be more conservative in Utah...some willing to lay it out there...others who have heard the "faith-promoting" lines from the Lds General Authorities (mostly about explaining Mormon history)...and realize, they, too are "writing history" as it unfolds
32 posted on 11/09/2013 12:11:42 PM PST by Colofornian
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"Jury finds Utah doctor guilty in wife's death in bathtub"

Gee...I guess the Police were too busy.....

33 posted on 11/09/2013 12:18:37 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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You might find it interesting that was a founder of the Typographers union, Union Vet, whole war, polygamous with 24 kids, friend of Samuel Gompers, and a life long Republican.
34 posted on 11/09/2013 12:27:57 PM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: AppyPappy

OK, that was a rather sick joke...But...it caught me so off-guard, I was laughing...


35 posted on 11/09/2013 12:30:41 PM PST by Colofornian
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Face very thin...the doctor looks ill.


36 posted on 11/09/2013 12:33:22 PM PST by FES0844
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Watched almost the entire trial and waited up last night for the verdict. Thank the Lord this jury saw to convict this scum.


37 posted on 11/09/2013 12:35:12 PM PST by bonfire
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He has some other charges coming up. Some women is suing him for touching her inappropriately and something else I can’t recall right now.


38 posted on 11/09/2013 12:45:37 PM PST by bonfire
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To: ~Vor~

Ditto! Are you a member of Justice Quest? If not, check it out!


39 posted on 11/09/2013 12:47:04 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Little Bill

Yet they haven’t lived up to that, have they? Provo Herald is rather notorious for leaving out inconvenient facts.


40 posted on 11/09/2013 1:01:27 PM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: AppyPappy

I had an LDS temple worker landlord who everyone thought was nice...she tried to kill me.


41 posted on 11/09/2013 1:02:12 PM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Colofornian

Ted Bundy was “Nice” as well


42 posted on 11/09/2013 1:17:31 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: reaganaut

I find a certain amount of strange behavior is common, though not expected. One of my Mormon friends said that strange people frequently come to “try out” the church. They are drawn to what they have heard, whether real or imagined.

We are really close with our Mormon neighbor. She and her husband were separated for two years before we were told. We knew, of course, but it’s never been discussed,


43 posted on 11/09/2013 1:31:26 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Colofornian; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; Holly_P; MHGinTN; narses; ...

Sample short list of other Mormon murderers (excluding list of Mountain Meadows Massacre) ... Mormon Murderers

Wild Bill Hickman (left) and Porter Rockwell (center) were two of the most notorious serial killers in U.S. history. Hickman is credited with murdering 14 people, all under direct orders from Brigham Young. Rockwell's total is usually given at at least 150, although nobody really knows the true amount. His tally does not include the 36 soldiers who perished after the ambush of the Fort Bridger food convoy at the start of the Utah Mormon War of 1857 (Porter led the raid), or the 450 or so Indians that were slaughtered at the Bear River Massacre (Porter guided the army to the killing scene and picked off numerous women and children that were trying to escape the carnage. Almost all of his killings were sanctioned by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

John D. Lee (right) participated in the Mountain Meadows Massacre, where another 120 or so men, women and children where murdered. Lee was the only person to be tried for the murders, and was later shot by firing squad at the site of the killings. His Confessions, written between the time of his trial and execution, chronicles the church sponsored killing of dozens in Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and Utah. When reading the document, look for the code words used up.

In addition to the 570 (plus or minus) murdered at Mountain Meadows Massacre and at the Bear River Massacre, your short list also omits the casualties from the Missouri Mormon Wars (around 50 plus or minus), the Illinois Mormon Wars (around 20 plus or minus), the Utah War of 1857 (around 150 plus or minus), the Atkins Massacre (around 20 plus or minus), the six Mormon Civil Wars (chronicled by the historian Hubert Bancroft term - total unknown), the blood atonement killings (I've seen estimates ranging from 800 to 2,000), and the eight named Indian wars and dozens of unnamed Indian skirmishes (total unknown). Thousands more have been beaten and/or castrated over the years by Mormon vigilante mobs; many thousands more have suffered abuse under plural marriages.

Mormonism has a terrible legacy of violence, indeed.

44 posted on 11/09/2013 1:32:40 PM PST by Zakeet (If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists - Friedrich Hayek)
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To: reaganaut
Change of ownership, he is still quoted by the UU Journalism school.
45 posted on 11/09/2013 1:34:47 PM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: bonfire

No, I’m not...but I will...thanks!


46 posted on 11/09/2013 1:37:39 PM PST by ~Vor~ (Freeper since 10/98)
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To: Zakeet

Apparently it’s common knowledge in Central Florida that if you are caught poaching or maybe even just trespassing on the Deseret Ranch you will be “disappeared”.


47 posted on 11/09/2013 1:49:20 PM PST by saleman
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To: Zakeet

bfl


48 posted on 11/09/2013 2:02:47 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Zakeet
Wild Bill Hickman (left) and Porter Rockwell (center) were two of the most notorious serial killers in U.S. history. Hickman is credited with murdering 14 people, all under direct orders from Brigham Young. Rockwell's total is usually given at at least 150, although nobody really knows the true amount. His tally does not include the 36 soldiers who perished after the ambush of the Fort Bridger food convoy at the start of the Utah Mormon War of 1857 (Porter led the raid), or the 450 or so Indians that were slaughtered at the Bear River Massacre (Porter guided the army to the killing scene and picked off numerous women and children that were trying to escape the carnage. Almost all of his killings were sanctioned by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. John D. Lee (right) participated in the Mountain Meadows Massacre, where another 120 or so men, women and children where murdered. Lee was the only person to be tried for the murders, and was later shot by firing squad at the site of the killings. His Confessions, written between the time of his trial and execution, chronicles the church sponsored killing of dozens in Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and Utah. When reading the document, look for the code words used up. In addition to the 570 (plus or minus) murdered at Mountain Meadows Massacre and at the Bear River Massacre, your short list also omits the casualties from the Missouri Mormon Wars (around 50 plus or minus), the Illinois Mormon Wars (around 20 plus or minus), the Utah War of 1857 (around 150 plus or minus), the Atkins Massacre (around 20 plus or minus), the six Mormon Civil Wars (chronicled by the historian Hubert Bancroft term - total unknown), the blood atonement killings (I've seen estimates ranging from 800 to 2,000), and the eight named Indian wars and dozens of unnamed Indian skirmishes (total unknown). Thousands more have been beaten and/or castrated over the years by Mormon vigilante mobs; many thousands more have suffered abuse under plural marriages. Mormonism has a terrible legacy of violence, indeed.

Good synopsis of "not-so-nice Mormon 'neighbors'"

49 posted on 11/09/2013 2:03:51 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Zakeet
On 29 January 1863 Colonel Patrick Edward Connor and about 200 California Volunteers attacked a Northwestern Shoshoni winter village located at the confluence of Beaver Creek and Bear River, twelve miles west and north of the village of Franklin in Cache Valley and just a short distance north of the present Utah-Idaho boundary line. This band of 450 Shoshoni under war chief Bear Hunter had watched uneasily as Mormon farmers had moved into the Indian home of Cache Valley in the spring of 1860 and now, three years later, had appropriated all the land and water of the verdant mountain valley. The young men of the tribe had struck back at the white settlers; this prompted Utah territorial officials to call on Connor's troops to punish the Northwestern band. Before the colonel led his men from Camp Douglas at Salt Lake City north to Bear River, he had announced that he intended to take no prisoners
50 posted on 11/09/2013 2:16:26 PM PST by Little Bill (A)
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