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Selectman Wants Gun Safety Enforced
Swampscott MA patch ^ | 11/09/13 | Terry Date

Posted on 11/10/2013 3:43:44 PM PST by grumpygresh

Selectman Barry Greenfield would like to give police the authority to inspect gun safety at people's homes. The problem, he said, is that police do not have the authority, granted by a local ordinance, to enforce the law and inspect the safeguarding of guns at the homes of the 600 registered gun owners in town.

(Excerpt) Read more at swampscott.patch.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; 4thamendment; amendment; banglist; fourth; fourthamendment; guns; second; secondamendment
I think that this doufus should try and do it himself. It's ironic that this guy is only around 30-40 miles from Lexington-Concord.
1 posted on 11/10/2013 3:43:44 PM PST by grumpygresh
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To: grumpygresh
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The Selectman and I have very different interpretations of "unreasonable", apparently. BTT

2 posted on 11/10/2013 3:46:50 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: grumpygresh
Don't the cops have some perps to catch and/or deter?

Are they done with those tasks already?

3 posted on 11/10/2013 3:47:15 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: grumpygresh

Given that it in MA, I suppose the fact that they are allowed to have guns at all is a miracle in and of itself. In MA, having a gun at all is probably one of life’s major blessings.


4 posted on 11/10/2013 3:47:30 PM PST by freedom462
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To: grumpygresh

Damn 4th amendment. Damn whole Bill of Rights just keeps getting in the way of forcing people to do what we think is best for them.

Let’s just ditch the Constitution and let the government think for us.


5 posted on 11/10/2013 3:48:02 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: grumpygresh

Not surprising that someone with no respect for the 2nd Amendment has no respect for the 4th Amendment either.


6 posted on 11/10/2013 3:48:20 PM PST by Hugin
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To: grumpygresh

Why not ask the cops to check the gun safety of the perps?


7 posted on 11/10/2013 3:49:28 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: grumpygresh
Why not bathroom safety - make sure they have some kind of non-stick surface in the shower? Why not kitchen safety? Or the myriad other ways people more often get hurt around the house?

Or hey, here's an idea... How about we don't live in a literal police state where they can demand entry into your home and deprive you of rights, privacy, property, etc.? If this fool really wants to re-create the good old days of East Germany he can {expletive}-well do it someplace else. I choose freedom and liberty.

8 posted on 11/10/2013 3:49:37 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: grumpygresh

Will the nanny stater grandstanders just give it a rest? Its just all for “me me me” attention. Didn’t they get enough love as a child? How about open access to your financial and phone records since you’re a public official? We need to make sure you’re not getting bribed or paid off by special interest groups after all. I mean if you want access to my home to come inspect my guns its only fair, right?


9 posted on 11/10/2013 3:52:15 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: freedom462
In MA, having a gun at all is probably one of life’s major blessings.

Yep. Right up there with having a conservative wife.

I have both. I am blessed.

PS- my wife is good looking, a little icing on the cake / grin

Disclaimer: I don't live in MA

10 posted on 11/10/2013 3:52:22 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: grumpygresh

What kind of person would advocate for such a thing?

Seriously.

Where does someone like that come from? How did their valeus get so far afield?


11 posted on 11/10/2013 3:53:04 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: grumpygresh
"Selectman Barry Greenfield would like..."

I suggest the popos go visit his house for condom safety.

12 posted on 11/10/2013 3:54:36 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: grumpygresh

Selectman could become a “corpseman” if he were to try enforcing this on his own ...


13 posted on 11/10/2013 3:59:13 PM PST by mikrofon (Soon to be a Healthcare mandate.)
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To: grumpygresh
Ok, maybe I'm out of the loop, but what is a “registered gun owner”? Does that mean anyone who has legally bought a gun?

Or in Massachusetts do you have to register with some agency if you own a gun?

14 posted on 11/10/2013 4:00:15 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

“Why not bathroom safety - make sure they have some kind of non-stick surface in the shower? Why not kitchen safety? Or the myriad other ways people more often get hurt around the house? “

Because 500,000 people with non-skid tubs cannot challenge the authority of the Powers That Be. It takes guns to do that.


15 posted on 11/10/2013 4:07:33 PM PST by DBrow
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To: grumpygresh

Sounds like it might be time to again gather on the Green!


16 posted on 11/10/2013 4:23:54 PM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: grumpygresh

There’s also that pesky 4th amendment. Step in my house without a warrant or being invited and you are dead.


17 posted on 11/10/2013 4:25:38 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: grumpygresh

Selectman?


18 posted on 11/10/2013 4:27:30 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: grumpygresh
“...registered gun owners...” ?

I think we've identified the problem.

19 posted on 11/10/2013 4:31:46 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Alaska Wolf

This man does not deserve to live in America. He should be set to some country where his dream of invading people’s homes can come true. Perhaps Afghanistan.


20 posted on 11/10/2013 4:48:17 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: grumpygresh
they fire dept tried a similar ‘inspection’ when I lived in Mass. in the early ‘60’s.

They ‘offered’ us a free inspection of our houses to access and ‘advise’ us as to fire safety/hazards in our homes.

When they rang my doorbell, I said, with a smile: “No, thank you.”

they were actually stunned. ‘But, but...it's a free service. Why wouldn't you want...”

I interrupted. “No, Thank you.”

“But why”, they asked, “do you say no?”

“Because I still can.”

“What?”

“Because this ‘free’ inspection is voluntary, the first time around. And I can still say “NO”. Now, if you have a brochure outlining what safety precautions should be looked for and implemented, I'd be glad to have one. I'm not so ignorant that I couldn't read and understand.
I'm also not so stupid that I don't know that this ‘free’ intrusion - ah ‘service’ isn't a test run to see how compliant people will be - for planning future COMPULSORY inspections. Y'all have a good day now.”

shuts door.

this was over 50 years ago. They've been working on take over/take down for a long time.

21 posted on 11/10/2013 4:58:17 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Paladin2
WELL...SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS GONNA TAKE A PASSEL OF MAN POWER MR AND MRS CITIZEN.

I SEE THE RISE OF AT LEAST 250-300 STATE WIDE GUN/HOUSE/SAFETY/INSPECTORS....ALL OF THEM WITH PAY GRADES AKIN TO SAY A GS-10.

THAT MEANS A LOT OF NEW VOTERS ARE GONNA SHOW UP ON THE DEM VOTER ROLLS WHEN YOU COUNT THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND ALL!

EEAY YA?

SAY, THIS IDEA'S GOT REAL POTENTIAL IM SURPRISED THE DEMOCRATS AINT HATCHED A SCHEME LIKE THIS WAY WAY BEFORE THIS ...

HEYYYY WAITTT A MINUTE....!!!!


22 posted on 11/10/2013 5:03:59 PM PST by jimsin
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To: Leaning Right
Or in Massachusetts do you have to register with some agency if you own a gun?

I think you have to apply with the local police chief before buying. Somebody could correct me though :)

23 posted on 11/10/2013 5:16:20 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: VeniVidiVici

You need a firearms ID card in Mass so perhaps they assume all cardholders have a weapon. Sounds like prima facie evidence of infringement to me.


24 posted on 11/10/2013 5:23:30 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: grumpygresh

Didn’t Wash State propose something like this?


25 posted on 11/10/2013 5:33:43 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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Didn’t Wash State propose something like this?

HB1588, last year. Part of what killed this house bill was public outrage when the details came out. A Doofus Democrat representative admitted sponsoring the astro-turf bill, written by out of state interests, without reading it.

We got that juicy tidbit when said Doofus had to backtrack over yearly police home inspections for "safe gun storage". HB1588 proceeded to go down in flames

Now, there's a public initiative making the rounds trying to recreate the bill. I give it even odds in this bats**t state.

26 posted on 11/10/2013 6:03:29 PM PST by Rinnwald
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Oh, and the ostensible main purpose of HB1588 was to close the “gunshow loophole”. 2nd Amendment hatred was a given. Breaking the 4th Amendement was just a little statist freebie.


27 posted on 11/10/2013 6:07:53 PM PST by Rinnwald
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To: Venturer
I tried posting this as a stand alone, but for some reason I'm having no luck. Good to see there is intelligent life in Massachusetts.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/2013/11/graham_selectman_could_use_refresher_on_constitution

"We’re from the government and we’re here to inspect your guns!”

In America, it sounds crazy. Here in Massachusetts, it’s just another day in liberal paradise.

Last week, Swampscott Selectman Barry Greenfield proposed the idea of mandatory home inspections for the town’s 600 licensed gun owners. He mentioned the Newtown massacre. He mentioned children’s safety.

There is no record, however, of Selectman Greenfield mentioning the Constitution.

Massachusetts law requires gun owners to store their firearms safely. Greenfield is frustrated with the inability of local cops to push their way into local homes and have a look around without all that “probable cause” and “search warrant” nonsense.

“We need the ability to enforce the state law,” the selectman said, adding that he’s discussed the matter with Swampscott Police Chief Ron Madigan.

If this incredibly bad goose-stepping attack on gun ownership sounds familiar, it should. The state of Washington considered it earlier this year. Then some lawyer heard a rumor about some “Second Amendment thingy” and it went away.

By the way, nobody should be surprised that this attempt to intimidate gun owners is happening in Swampscott, aka “Marblehead Without The Beemers.” It’s a town notorious for treating citizens like servants to be ordered around. Remember the school ordering every parent to attend a program on drug abuse and threatening to punish their kids if they didn’t show up?

Liberals who think “hatin’ on guns” is a guaranteed winner may want to check in with Westford Selectman Robert Jeffries. He proposed requiring gun owners to store them at their gun clubs. He’s now former selectman Jeffries.

But the real question for Massachusetts liberals is this: Why do Swampscotters (Swampscottians?) put up with such heavy-handed treatment from their public “servants?” Are they, as citizens, prepared to put up with government-mandated inspections of their bedrooms and closets?

This isn’t a Second Amendment issue. It’s a Fourth Amendment one — unreasonable search and seizure. If Swampscott residents who don’t own guns sit back and allow this to happen, they’ll be playing their role in the famous parable of Martin Niemoller:

“First they came for the gun owners, but I didn’t own a gun … ”

- See more at: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/2013/11/graham_selectman_could_use_refresher_on_constitution#sthash.p8nPcKVN.dpuf

28 posted on 11/10/2013 6:14:28 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Leaning Right

In MA you even need a license for pepper spray.

I kid you not.

.


29 posted on 11/10/2013 6:20:05 PM PST by Mears (Liberalism is the art of being easily offended.)
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To: Leaning Right

Or in Massachusetts do you have to register with some agency if you own a gun?


Criminal History Systems Board (CHSB)

Permit holders and transfers of firearms are registered there.


30 posted on 11/11/2013 4:28:40 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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