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How the military isolates itself and hurts veterans
The Washington Post ^ | 10 Nov 2013 | Phillip Carter and David Barno

Posted on 11/10/2013 4:20:29 PM PST by mandaladon

In Afghanistan and Iraq, the wire ringing our bases divided two starkly different worlds. Inside the wire, life revolved around containerized housing units, cavernous dining facilities, well-appointed gyms and the distant but ever-present risk of a falling rocket or mortar round. Outside the wire, Afghans and Iraqis tried to live their lives amid relative chaos. They didn’t fully understand what we were doing there. And when we ventured out, we struggled to navigate their world.

The wire defines a similar divide in the United States. Inside, troops and their families live and work on massive military bases, separated geographically, socially and economically from the society they serve. Outside, Americans live and work, largely unaware of the service and sacrifice of the 2.4 million active and reserve troops. Discussions of the civil-military divide often blame civilians. But the military’s self-imposed isolation doesn’t encourage civilian understanding, and it makes it difficult for veterans and their families to navigate the outside world. The U.S. military’s domestic bases are the nation’s most exclusive gated communities. There’s restricted access, of course, and visitors are usually asked to provide multiple forms of ID and to submit to a car search before entering. Through the gates, there’s a remarkably self-contained world. Roughly a third of military families live on bases, with many more living just outside the wire in military enclaves. About 100,000 military children attend on-base schools. Military families shop at discounted grocery and department stores, see dedicated doctors and pharmacists, leave their children in military-subsidized child care, and play in base sports leagues. Many bases have their own golf courses, gyms and gas stations. Some have their own cemeteries, too.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: liberals; military
Finally, the paternalistic way the military trains, indoctrinates and advances its members plays a role in deepening the civil-military divide and frustrating transition. From their earliest days of service, whether at Navy boot camp or West Point, recruits must abandon their civilian habits and embrace new haircuts, clothing, routines and hierarchies. The military tells them where to live, whom to work for and what to do. Service members have little autonomy or choice — even more than a decade into their careers..................Obama and his followers are hell bent on transforming our military
1 posted on 11/10/2013 4:20:30 PM PST by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon; zot; 2ndDivisionVet

Retired General Barno has apparently forgotten the open posts that the Army had prior to 9-11. It was the Al Quiada threats to carry their war onto US military bases that led to them being turned into traditional Forts where access was controlled.

I remember the many ways to drive onto Ft. Belvoir when I was stationed there 1980-82. Only the main gate had a guard and it was to give folks directions when they needed them. Now I know of only 3 gates to get onto the entire post.

2 posted on 11/10/2013 4:39:04 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: mandaladon
This is a REMF perspective...As a retiree I must remind that these buffoons served in an all volunteer force, patriots serve of their own free will.

On base facilities are not world class or first rate. The base gym is hardly Gold's Gym but it does the job. The commissary and the BX/PX does the job but is hardly superior to shopping malls of facilities back home. I been in countries where the only luxuries were boxed water and MREs. My impression of the writers is, to quote the late Col Hakworth "Porcelain Princes"

Odd are, these clowns voted for Obama.

3 posted on 11/10/2013 4:39:54 PM PST by darkwing104 (Do not take my word for it, these are my opinions...Do your own Homework)
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To: mandaladon

It’s also not so well known that Obama is purging the military of anyone loyal to the constitution. Those who even considered sending help to Benghazi against the White House’s orders during the attack has been dealth with by him. Generals and admirals are being replaced. Anyone who also expresses their belief in the Christian God is also being stamped on.

4 posted on 11/10/2013 4:42:02 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: mandaladon

these reporters are nuts. First they want to enlist us under with Obamacare, then they complain those volunteering for the protection of government are not free like civilians.

Whatever. Socialists just love to kill anything for no particular reason.

5 posted on 11/10/2013 4:56:06 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: mandaladon

The authors must have a agenda, they are wrong on so many issues and should know better based on their background. I grew up in the military, spent 25 years on active duty, and have supported the military in the 20 years since my retirement. I have a little different take.

Most military kids were not accepted when they attended the local schools. Unless you were an all-state level star athlete, they didn’t have much to do with. Soldiers were not welcomed downtown, and families had trouble fitting into neighborhoods including churches. On post facilities have greatly expanded over the last 60 years because of these difficulties. Installations in and near cities have been shuttered and sold to make the valuable real estate available for development. America likes her military out of sight and out of mind.

The notion that in the midst of a war against Islamic terrorists we should swing open the gates and get them unfettered access to our families and children is laughable. Are these morons really that stupid?

I live in a town next to the oldest military installation West of the Mississippi. Our Chamber of Commerce, of which I am a member, ignored for years the military and the businesses that supported the installation. They did appreciate the money that military folks spent downtown, but were quick to complain that too many were driving out of town to the mall. Well, maybe the fact that the downtown stores closed at 5:00 when the military was just getting off work had more to do with that.

I generally found the Germans to be more hospitable than the American civilians in Army towns.

These idiots don’t understand that most military members learn while still in their teens how to pack up all their stuff in a U-Haul, drive across the country to a town where you know no one, find a place to live, get your kids in school or day care, pack your gear and deploy to a combat zone for a year. When you get back, you do it again.

Of course, these guys belong to Obama’s favorite Left Wing National Security Think Tank, so fiction writing is probably a specialty.

6 posted on 11/10/2013 5:02:24 PM PST by centurion316
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To: mandaladon
From Wikipedia:

The Obama administration has hired several CNAS employees for key jobs.[4] Founders Michèle Flournoy and Kurt Campbell currently serve as the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy and the Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, respectively. In June 2009 The Washington Post suggested, “In the era of Obama...the Center for a New American Security may emerge as Washington's go-to think tank on military affairs.”[4] CNAS scholars include John Nagl,[5] David Kilcullen, Andrew Exum, Thomas E. Ricks, Robert D. Kaplan,[6] and Marc Lynch. CNAS is led by CEO Robert Work, former Under Secretary of the Navy.

7 posted on 11/10/2013 5:03:34 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: mandaladon

Most folks don’t have a clue now and never will as to what life/work/routine is like in any intense career or activity. I’ve seen this first hand all my adult life and even to some degree in my school years. As an engineering student I couldn’t explain much of anything to family or non-engineer friends. I played a lot of football back when and those conversations are limited to old team mates because the inside skinny is foreign mumbo jumbo to outsiders. As a nuclear engineer I didn’t even try to talk trade to anyone outside the biz. As a Marine all my Mom could handle was where I was. People ask all the time why it is that vets, especially combat vets, don’t talk about their experience. The answer is incredibly simple: The average non-committed slider can’t comprehend the experience so most of us don’t even try. In my experience wives are frequently the worst. They wonder why you won’t talk but their eyes glaze over as soon as you try.

Been there. Done all that. And don’t really give a rip if some sniveler wants to know why GI’s are a bit of a close group. It the first place the dumbass wouldn’t understand having a back-up, having a co-pilot, having your flank covered, somebody riding shotgun, having a linebacker, having a spotter or letting it all hang out when something important is happening.-——————SEMPER FI

8 posted on 11/10/2013 5:15:26 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

Understanding the taste you get in your mouth during a mortar attack or when a round buzzes by your head so close that you can feel the heat, is something no amount of explanation can express. Or having the automatic instant reaction of hitting the dirt when there’s a particular type of noise isn’t something people who have never lived it can comprehend.

9 posted on 11/10/2013 5:42:11 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name the illness that you have and Google it with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: mandaladon

What a bunch of horse crap.

10 posted on 11/10/2013 6:28:19 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: darkwing104
"...The U.S. military’s domestic bases are the nation’s most exclusive gated communities..."

This whole article just pissed me off, but this line really irritated me.

11 posted on 11/10/2013 6:32:22 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

I saw an example of the new Obama type general, SHE is General Janet Wolfenbarger commander of Air Force Materiel Command. She looks like she just got out of college. What a joke. Could we have won World War II with commander in chief like Obama and his light weight leadership?

12 posted on 11/10/2013 7:27:42 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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To: GreyFriar

Typical of the Washington Compost trying to isolate the military from the rest of this country.

13 posted on 11/10/2013 8:47:23 PM PST by zot
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To: mandaladon

The role of the military is not to serve society. It is to protect the nation from enemies foreign and domestic.
For two former military, they seem to have drunk the koolaid.

14 posted on 11/10/2013 11:53:18 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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