Posted on 11/10/2013 5:03:51 PM PST by T Ruth
I don’t have any W-4 to deal with so no fine/penalty/tax for me. Won’t be buying insurance.
Also, I have asked my Congressman, Mike Pompeo, and one of my Senators, Pat Roberts, to please ask Sebelius and others during hearings;
“Why don't we allow paper application to qualify for the ACA tax credits, for those willing to wait until tax time to receive and credit or subsidy? Why must we force everyone to use the electronic online Exchange, Why not let them deal directly with the insurance companies?”
I have also advised them it would be a BAD idea to pass enabling legislation on this point, as the 4 Federal Court Cases might well decide that the Federal Exchanges can NOT grant subsidies or credits or penalties at all.
then go right ahead and assume you will owe them nothing for not playing along.
It’s still a tax.
Don’t pay your taxes if you feel sto sure about it.
YES, FRAUD can be punished in CRIMINAL COURT!
But, tell the truth about your income and REFUND any money that you claimed in ill-gotten or underserved subsidies, and you will be fine!
I do not mind “know it alls” if they really know their facts, but you are misleading many people here, without doing your homework.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK and get back to us, ok?
If this mess stays in force it won’t matter anyway in the long run. It is designed to insure that there will be NO REAL HEALTH CARE FOR ANYONE. There will be a pretense of health care but you will have better odds of staying healthy by just doing everything you can to prevent illness. As for trauma care, good luck.
Well for the record, I HOPE you are right. I personally have coverage so I don’t have to worry about this (just yet anyway). I’m not trying to mislead anyone, but do you honestly think Obama’s IRS will follow the law, when push comes to shove? Hell, he might just change the law by Executive Order. Wouldn’t be the first time.
Wear pink underwear and develop a taste for baloney sandwiches and outdated White Castle Burgers if you do.
Pardon me! I was just asking. I do not know the details. I was not asking for me; I have insurance.
RipSawyer, I think you are right. Another reason not to buy the “coverage” is that if you have a medical problem that requires expensive treatment — after you pay your $6K deductible — you are not likely to get treatment approval unless you are a registered Democrat. (Compare IRS targeting of Tea Party.) Any Republicans or Independents who buy “coverage” are likely paying for nothing. In essence Obamacare is a wealth transfer scheme.
Please, by all means. Go ahead and short the IRS that money on April 15th. Just like they can’t record all of your phone calls without a warrant. Just like you’re secure in your person and papers. Just like your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Be an example to everyone else that the government stopped operating under the constitution a long, long time ago.
Do you feel better now?
The point I made is correct: the IRS CANNOT attach leins, garnish paychecks, seize bank accounts or otherwise go after someone for NOT having health care insurance if they do not have a refund coming.
The WORST thing the IRS can do is subtract the fine from any refund due.
So who's wrong?
BTW: The IRS hasn't even developed the FORM yet according to a recent Washington Post article. In fact, the IRS doesn't even know what they can/cannot do to anyone who refuses to fill in the line on the 1040 or fill out the form that doesn't even exist yet.
So who's wrong? YOU ARE! (there, I feel better now.)
Since this is the anniversary, let me just say that the IRS has a lot in common with the Edmund Fitzgerald. It doesn’t give up its ‘bread.’
Wow. I guess all those silly people who had their bank accounts frozen by the IRS just on the word of the IRS for whatever reason the IRS made up were just imagining that it happened. It’s not like they had to pay the tax...they just had all their money seized until they paid it.
“Everybody needs to remember that they are still writing and re-writing this thing as they go. Regardless of what was originally passed.”
That was and is the actual danger of this law: it can be changed ad hoc and at the ‘Secretary’s discretion.’ This thing is pure tyranny.
Your premise is the government will follow the law, mine is that it will not.
Your belief that if taken to court, the “justice” system will follow and interpret the law, my contention is that it will not. Courts are packed with activate judges you know.
So study all you want, reality is different. good luck to you and let us all know how the IRS treats you when they come for their money.
I don't suspect I'll be living in this country a whole lot longer under there circumstances. I'm already starting to learn Spanish in preparation for the "big move".
I'm not sure I follow:
"SS Edmund Fitzgerald was an American Great Lakes freighter that sank in a Lake Superior storm on November 10, 1975, with the loss of the entire crew of 29. When launched on June 8, 1958, she was the largest ship on North America's Great Lakes, . . . the ship suffered a series of mishaps during her launch: it took three attempts to break the champagne bottle used to christen her, and she collided with a pier when she entered the water."
Is this the IRS we know and love?
I was thinking about how neither the ship nor the IRS will give up what it takes. Maybe it’s Superior that won’t.
It matters not, regardless of all the people here who said the IRS can or the IRS can’t enforce the fine/tax/tribute to king O’slimball.
I cannot believe people are hung up on what the law states regarding the IRS after our liar of a President has unilaterally changed the “law of the land” on more than one occasion.
The communist democrats keep telling us CACA © (Can’t Afford Care Act) is the “law of the land” yet one grossly inferior human being, Obama, continues to make unconstitutional changes to that law.
So folks, get off your high horses regarding if the IRS can or can’t enforce this as the Red Diaper Muslim Manchurian candidate can change this at a moment’s notice. What was passed by congress is no longer the CACA © that is currently in force and changed by 17,000+ pages of regulations and president ordered exemptions to all his communist buddies.
You are fighting with each other all while our real enemy still occupies the White House and controls the Senate.
Finally, remember the insidious Cloward & Piven plan is at work here where CACA © will be so bad, it will collapse the HC insurance industry and the people will demand Washington do something. And just like hope and change, the filthy vermin low/no information voters in this country will not give a damn what that something is and Obama and his communist progressives will have won.
Obama voters get refunds, and they can’t change their W-2 withholding not to, because they don’t pay taxes.
Every January they all get gleeful about their “tax-return”, which isn’t a refund at all, but rather an “earned income” welfare check.
So you average communisti voter making 20k selling beaded thongs, will start having their yearly welfare check reduced. That should be fun to listen to.
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