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Starvation and fear in the land laid waste by 200mph typhoon that killed at least 10,000
Daily Mail ^ | 10 November 2013 | BECKY EVANS, RICHARD SHEARS and SOPHIE JANE EVANS Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl

Posted on 11/10/2013 9:47:35 PM PST by Kartographer

‘My husband tied us together but still we got separated among the debris. I saw many people drowning, screaming and going under... I haven’t found my husband.’ Despite mass burials, the dead remain piled by roads and trapped under wreckage. Families clawing at the ruins to find survivors or food were overpowered by the reek of rotting bodies. Village councillor and father-of-four Edward Gualberto said he stepped on corpses as he took food from the remains of their homes. He added: ‘I am a decent person. But if you have not eaten in three days, you do shameful things to survive. We have no food, we need water. This typhoon has stripped us of our dignity, but I still have my family and I am grateful for that.’

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: haiyan; philippines; typhoon Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Prepper’s PING!!


2 posted on 11/10/2013 9:48:22 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Imagine how many would die if the temperature dropped below freezing for a week. That possibility won’t happen there but it could happen here.


3 posted on 11/10/2013 9:59:17 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name the illness that you have and Google it with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Kartographer

It would be nice if SOMEBODY put the name of the country either in the headline or add it to the first paragraph.

I was thinking that this was about the tsunami of several years ago....


4 posted on 11/10/2013 10:26:16 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Kartographer

I said on another thread that when you have water on all sides of you, eventually that water is going where you are as water is just waiting to flow where it isn’t.

Living on an island is dangerous I don’t care how lovely it appears - the reality is you are stuck in an emergency and you aren’t getting any help until a plane or ship gets there and good luck living through other people trampling on you to get to the aid before you.

I also read the Philippines are in the direct path of the place where most typhoons are created. That makes them a very poor choice of where to live.


5 posted on 11/10/2013 10:34:06 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

... and Washington State has volcanoes (and Wyoming has a supervolcano) and California has earthquakes and wildfires and Texas and points north have tornadoes and baseball-sized hail and Colorado has thousand-year floods, and ironically, severe droughts, and the Eastern Seaboard has hurricanes, and Chicago has Rahm Emmanuel and Buffalo, NY gets 20 feet of snow, then there’s the New Madrid fault in MO ... everywhere you go, there’s something. Pick your location, there’s a natural disaster app for that place.


6 posted on 11/10/2013 10:42:06 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Kartographer

Prayers for these people - so tragic


7 posted on 11/10/2013 11:03:45 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Marcella
I also read the Philippines are in the direct path of the place where most typhoons are created. That makes them a very poor choice of where to live.

The southern part, sure, but the northern part of the Philippines, not so much. Just heavy rains for the most part. The south really get it.

The TV stations in the PI are all reporting 55 people died. What the heck...

8 posted on 11/10/2013 11:37:09 PM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*ou)
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To: Marcella

Are you saying the Philippines should be evacuated? Where should those 100 million people go? What country will take them?


9 posted on 11/11/2013 1:58:05 AM PST by RPTMS
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

“I was thinking that this was about the tsunami of several years ago....”

Of course, a tsunami and a typhoon, are two completely different things.


10 posted on 11/11/2013 3:43:45 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: raybbr

Unless the typhoon creates something resembling a tsunami.

Surely you’ve heard of “storm surge”.


11 posted on 11/11/2013 4:07:36 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Unless the typhoon creates something resembling a tsunami. Surely you’ve heard of “storm surge”.

I think they would have called a "storm surge" then. A tsunami has a very specific origin.

12 posted on 11/11/2013 4:37:53 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: Kartographer
Comment # 1 removed, so I guess you get the feedback.

I've been through many strong hurricanes. The key to survival is safe shelter during the storm & a stock of food & water to last at lease a week. Anyone living near potential high water MUST evacuate. It's pretty clear from the pics & statements of survivors that they had neither shelter or supplies.

But, with 200mph sustained winds, there are few buildings in ANY city that are safe as a storm shelter. The pictures here show almost every building roofless, either completely destroyed or damaged beyond repair. Evacuation was the only safe bet, but how do you evacuate millions of people, & to what safe shelters do they evacuate?

I guess what puzzles me about all these deaths is that they knew several days in advance this killer storm was coming, they must have known from prior experience about the storm surge & deadly winds, yet apparently many people remained in flood prone areas.

For those who stubbornly refused to evacuate & died, well, they wont be a problem next time. For those who could not evacuate or had no safe place to go, I truly sympathize.

As for the Philippine government, they should have know what to expect. I hope they are well prepared, but I doubt it. Well prepared & government are mutually exclusive.

I hope the USA will give immediate, substantial aid to our long time friend & ally.

13 posted on 11/11/2013 5:09:11 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

So how did a typhon (in the title) get confused with a tsunami?


14 posted on 11/11/2013 5:20:29 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
So how did a typhon (in the title) get confused with a tsunami?

It takes talent. All those Asian words look alike you know.

15 posted on 11/11/2013 6:07:29 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: coloradan

Missouri has the double whammy. In addition to the New Madrid Fault(a very active low level for now), we are living in tornado alley.

Of course, we are overdue for a big quake such as the 1812 time period, but most of my neighbors make no preps for such an event, and the contractors don’t do anything extra for the houses to survive such an event, except some of the newer commercial buildings in St. Louis.


16 posted on 11/11/2013 6:33:38 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer
Prayers for the Philippines.
17 posted on 11/11/2013 6:55:12 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Mister Da

Concrete bunkers built into hillsides, like the old abandoned military fortifications dotting the Pacific coastline of the USA, in Marin County, CA, etc.

Very sturdy storm doors and a strong sump pump would be advisable.


18 posted on 11/11/2013 7:18:14 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: coloradan; Kartographer

“...everywhere you go, there’s something. Pick your location, there’s a natural disaster app for that place.”

Your operative words are “Pick your location...”, as all risks (picks) are not equal. I’ve been on islands in Hawaii and Greece and you are stuck without help until a plane (not possible on the Greek islands unless it’s a helicopter), or ship gets there. If you are on a mainland you can go somewhere else which is not true on an island as you are limited to that island.


19 posted on 11/11/2013 8:04:44 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: RPTMS

“Are you saying the Philippines should be evacuated? Where should those 100 million people go? What country will take them?”

It’s individual choice - live there if you want as some from this country choose to live there which to me is a poor choice since those islands are in the path where most typhoons, according to experts, are born.

People across the world go other places to live so those living on those islands with some amount of money, wouldn’t take a large amount, could go elsewhere if they want. Extremely poor people won’t/can’t leave those islands and they will continue to die when typhoons come there - that is a given across the world.


20 posted on 11/11/2013 8:16:22 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: DuncanWaring

“Unless the typhoon creates something resembling a tsunami.”
“Surely you’ve heard of “storm surge”.”

An eye witness said the water was as high as a tall coconut tree. The power behind that much water would devastate whatever was in front of it.


21 posted on 11/11/2013 8:19:23 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Mister Da

“For those who could not evacuate or had no safe place to go”

The vast majority. The Philippines is a poor country.


22 posted on 11/11/2013 11:32:08 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Kartographer

I’d like to go help (I was stationed there for over a year) on my own dime, but I ain’t going to Mindanao. I can’t find out what happened to Luzon.


23 posted on 11/11/2013 11:54:34 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Kartographer
shouted one woman. 'When are you going to get bodies from the streets?

You? You? Hey, lady, how about you helping out instead of complainging. YOU will be the one getting sick from the decaying bodies unless YOU get busy helping to bury them.

dozens of bamboo houses have been flattened by the storm... An average of 20 major storms or typhoons, many of them deadly, hit the Philippines each year.

They know these storms always flatten flimsy bamboo houses. Going out on a limb here, but how about building sturdier homes. Sure, many are poor but throughout history the enterprizing poor have survived.

Looks like the typhoon didn't disturb the actual ground much so it might be an idea to bury foodstuffs and water. Of course, keeping it dry with the high water level is a concern but could be done. It wasn't like they didn't have days of warning. Stock up with what you can, seal it best you can with plastic or a pvc pipe, put it in a hole. Canned goods aren't going to rust in the ground for the few hours it'd be buried if you needed it immediately after the storm. This is day 3 and, just like Sandy, reports are people began starving before the storm passed.

24 posted on 11/11/2013 4:19:57 PM PST by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Kartographer

People described the waves as hitting “like a tsunami”, not that it was one.

I imagine that they force of the winds created the same upwelling waves that a tsunami does when it comes close to shore.

Either way, it is pure hell.

Never been in a tsunami but have been in a Pacific typhoon or two, in Taiwan and So. Vietnam.


25 posted on 11/11/2013 5:21:21 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Safetgiver
...but I ain’t going to Mindanao.

I jut moved to Davao City on the island of Mindanao. You are thinking of the Zamboanga region nearer to the Muslim countries of Malaysia and Sabah. They seek to destabilize the region for occupation. The arm quelled it and took few prisoners. Here, we have a mayor adamant that they cannot operate here. But, I went to the SM market for food the other day, and they inspect all the cars entering the lot with mirrors underneath and trunk searches. They leave little to chance!

Detroit has a bigger problem than the Island of Mindanao. But, Leyte is at the center of the devastated region. All the news is concentrated on Tacloban due to an airport where the newsies can fly in, but Ormoc City has few buildings left and tens of thousands homeless. It looks almost as bad as Nagasaki and Hiroshima!


26 posted on 11/11/2013 5:35:29 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Because nothing says "rugged individualism" like heavy-handed big government.../sarc" -Sarah Palin)
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To: bgill
Going out on a limb here, but how about building sturdier homes.

Idiotic statements are bond to appear on these threads. How can anybody be so naive? A small block house costs a million pesos or more.

The minimum wage laws are here, but few pay any attention to them. A worker in a sugar cane or rice field makes about 150 PhPesos a day. A 50 kilo bag of rice sells for 2000PhP more or less, but most can't buy the bag. Instead, they will go to a little sari-sari store and buy a daily ration or two for 20 or 30 p. They will pluck leaves from plants by the road as "vegetables" and eat dried fish for some protein.

It must be nice to be such a hypocrite when people AROUND THE WORLD have to live like this...


27 posted on 11/11/2013 5:44:32 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Because nothing says "rugged individualism" like heavy-handed big government.../sarc" -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker

I didn’t see your reply because it wasn’t “pinged”. I remember in the 70’s there was crap where we flew in to give ammo, pick up casualties, drop off equipment, etc and I’d ask the PC’s, Rangers or whoever “Who the Hell is shooting at us?” They’d grin and say “The bad guys,” I don’t know what province we were in but I knew Mindanao was not cool.


28 posted on 11/11/2013 6:05:28 PM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Kartographer
Prayers for the people.

Looking at these pictures I notice most people are wearing flip-flops. I would at least get cheap tennis shoes if I had them.

29 posted on 11/11/2013 7:00:59 PM PST by deadmenvote
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To: deadmenvote

These people were very poor before. Imagine now.


30 posted on 11/11/2013 7:04:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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I can't believe that I was spared, and so many of my friends in Ormoc are gone or everything they own is gone. I had planned to be there until the end of November, but now I am here in Davao. But, I am heading north at the end of the week to lend a hand where I can. I am a former building contractor from North Carolina and have built on the beaches there. I know Mayor Codilla and he has asked me to come and help. The conditions are terrible, but I will have a roof whereas many will not.

Ormoc City, Leyte

Photos courtesy Armed Forces of the Philippines, Al Jazeera

31 posted on 11/11/2013 10:52:02 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Because nothing says "rugged individualism" like heavy-handed big government.../sarc" -Sarah Palin)
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To: Kartographer

Are we doing anything to help? If it were a Republican president in charge, we would be on the scene immediately while the press would report endlessly how we aren’t doing enough.


32 posted on 11/11/2013 11:03:23 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver

I was wondering if with Obama having Indonesian roots there might be a rivalry. But a quick search shows the Indonesians and Philippines are on good terms.


33 posted on 11/11/2013 11:15:21 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: WVKayaker

Guess you’re above scavaging.


34 posted on 11/12/2013 11:05:56 AM PST by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: deadmenvote
Looking at these pictures I notice most people are wearing flip-flops. I would at least get cheap tennis shoes if I had them.

$1US = 43PhPesos

Daily wage of most field workers and common laborers =150PhP.

Pair of flip-flops = 99PhP

Cheap tennis shoes = 699-999PhP.

Rice or tennis shoes? Hmmmmm...

35 posted on 11/12/2013 12:34:52 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Because nothing says "rugged individualism" like heavy-handed big government.../sarc" -Sarah Palin)
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To: bgill
Guess you’re above scavenging.

Guess you're above caring! It's not about me.

Posted by me on another thread last night:

***

I just now got new text messages from friends in Ormoc City in the last few hours and it has been a few days since the storm. They have no power or water systems working. I already heard from others in the past days telling me of their loss and giving thanks to God that their families survived but they lost all.

I will quote the texts:

1st one: “Gud eve.im sory to tx u now. its emergency, i need ur help. d u see d n news @ result of super typhoon,we have no for, pls, i beg u and i need ur help as soon as possible,my house was lost2gone.”
2nd one: “as of now we have no relief goods.b’cos whole ormoc city was destroyed by yolanda.pls.help me u know me already. we have no food pls i really need ur help. i know have a good heart.”
3rd one: “U know tacloban are so many people died b’coz of tidal waves.its almost 50thousand more. hit in orm yolanda destroyed all properties.pls.i really need ur help.

Pray for Leyte...

To donate to a zero overhead effort- Convoy of Hope

36 posted on 11/12/2013 12:40:09 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Because nothing says "rugged individualism" like heavy-handed big government.../sarc" -Sarah Palin)
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To: Kartographer

Please pray for those in the Philippines affected by Typhoon Haiyan.

I personally know the two gentlemen interviewed. They are missionaries out of our church in NC. They were able to evacuate after the storm to Manila.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2830641134001/typhoon-survivors-plead-for-aid-as-death-toll-rises/


37 posted on 11/12/2013 2:42:20 PM PST by SuperSonic (If I had a dog it would look like the one Obama ate!)
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To: Kartographer

bttt


38 posted on 11/13/2013 10:27:10 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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