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(Governor) Otter condemns vandalism of Mormon churches in E. Idaho
The Idaho Statesman ^ | Nov. 9th | AP

Posted on 11/12/2013 5:29:55 AM PST by Ripliancum

Police in eastern Idaho say they're investigating after vandals defaced three Mormon churches in the small town of Chubbuck.

Gov. Butch Otter condemned the vandalism in a written statement released Sunday. Here is the governor's full statement:

"Defiling or defacing houses of worship — of any faith or denomination — is an attack not just on religious beliefs or even our law, but also on our culture and our values. It disturbs the sanctuaries of our spiritual well-being. These are not merely the acts of misguided individuals. They speak to a more fundamental disregard for sacred places, social order and the freedoms that generations of Americans have sacrificed to protect."

The Idaho State Journal reported the vandalism on the buildings belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was committed sometime late Wednesday night or early Thursday morning. The graffiti included anti-LDS statements, vulgar language and drawings and a rendering of a devil figure.

LDS spokesman Larry Fisher says the graffiti was similar to that left on two LDS churches in Pocatello about 18 months ago....

(Excerpt) Read more at idahostatesman.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: antichristian; butchotter; freedom; inman; lds; ldschurch; mormon; vandalism; worship
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1 posted on 11/12/2013 5:29:55 AM PST by Ripliancum
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To: Ripliancum

Maybe the Mormon church should send in the Danites to conduct an investigation, and render justice, if those responsible can be determined.


2 posted on 11/12/2013 5:46:28 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (War on Terror news at rantburg.com)
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To: Ripliancum

The Otter Community FROWNS on your shenanigans!

3 posted on 11/12/2013 5:49:45 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Ripliancum
"Defiling or defacing houses of worship — of any faith or denomination — is an attack not just on religious beliefs or even our law, but also on our culture and our values. It disturbs the sanctuaries of our spiritual well-being. These are not merely the acts of misguided individuals. They speak to a more fundamental disregard for sacred places, social order and the freedoms that generations of Americans have sacrificed to protect." The Idaho State Journal reported the vandalism on the buildings belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was committed sometime late Wednesday night or early Thursday morning. The graffiti included anti-LDS statements, vulgar language and drawings and a rendering of a devil figure.

"Governor says breaking the law is bad" - news at eleven!

4 posted on 11/12/2013 5:51:58 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Ripliancum
(Governor) Otter

The guy from Animal House?


5 posted on 11/12/2013 6:00:10 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Ripliancum

East Idaho? Strange


6 posted on 11/12/2013 6:01:47 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: MrB

7 posted on 11/12/2013 6:04:42 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Ripliancum
Chubbuck Police Chief Randy Severe says the amount of damage makes the vandalism a felony. He said police don't have any leads yet. Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/11/09/2859845/vandals-strike-eastern-idaho-mormon.html#storylink=cpy

I wonder what the limit is...

8 posted on 11/12/2013 6:22:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ripliancum

Graffiti is against the law, glad the govonor spoke against law breakers
Is the state so small a govonor would know about local graffiti?


9 posted on 11/12/2013 6:23:37 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Ripliancum

More info...

https://www.google.com/search?q=vandalism+of+Mormon+churches+in+E.+Idaho&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475


10 posted on 11/12/2013 6:25:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ripliancum
These are not merely the acts of misguided individuals. They speak to a more fundamental disregard for sacred places...

Governor says,

"Yeah; I know mindreading is verboten on FR, but HEY! I didn't post this stuff there!"

11 posted on 11/12/2013 6:27:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ripliancum

I hope those responsible for the vandalism are caught and appropriately punished.


12 posted on 11/12/2013 6:37:33 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Elsie
Seems to me a quick crew with a sand blaster and some paint could have removed all of this graffiti before it was even noticed.

Instead they go for the "poor us" publicity.

13 posted on 11/12/2013 6:44:46 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Ripliancum; Zakeet; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; svcw; Elsie

And it will be like the last two times - the perps are Mormon teenagers.

You want to see how CHRISTIANS (and Mormons are not) are REALLY persecuted?

Check out persecution.org.

Mormons have it easy stop playing the persecution card.


14 posted on 11/12/2013 7:21:07 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

This happened a couple of other times about 18 months ago. It was discovered the ones who were responsible were also Mormon.


15 posted on 11/12/2013 7:21:55 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: reaganaut

At least it wasn’t glasses of water


17 posted on 11/12/2013 7:30:40 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw; teppe; Ripliancum; Elsie; Colofornian

Real Christians are being executed for having BIBLES and Mormons complain about a little spray paint. It isn’t as if they can’t afford to repaint the building.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/12/north-korea-publicly-executes-80-for-crimes-like-watching-films-owning-bible/


20 posted on 11/12/2013 8:02:35 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: svcw; teppe

Yep the Mormon “Jesus” is a mass murderer. While Jesus forgave those who were ACTUALLY crucifying Him, according to the Book of Mormon AFTER he paid for sin, he goes to the Americans and slaughters hundreds of thousands or more for their ‘unrighteousness’ (3 Ne 8-9)

And lets not forget, that Smith said it would be Mormonism or the sword.


21 posted on 11/12/2013 8:04:41 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: reaganaut

Yep.

I am still trying to figure out why a governor even commented on a small communities graffiti.


22 posted on 11/12/2013 8:10:24 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

My church (a Calvary Chapel) in CA is in the heart of gang territory and yes, it has been vandalized, more than once. Do we call the governor? Have a press release? Cry ‘persecution’? NO! We clean up the mess, repaint, and pray for them. Same thing that OTHER CHRISTIAN churches do.

Mormons make mountains out of molehills to support their ‘victim mentality’ which to them ‘proves’ ‘the CHURCH’ must be ‘true’. SMH.


23 posted on 11/12/2013 8:15:07 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Ripliancum

Ex Mormons ya think?


25 posted on 11/12/2013 8:54:24 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: reaganaut

My daughter’s former church was in Norwalk, and Saturdays were clean of graffiti day. I really don’t think they even called the mayor.
Maybe Idaho is really small.


26 posted on 11/12/2013 9:44:09 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: MHGinTN

I”m gonna bet disaffected but active LDS teenagers (and at least one is the son of a bishop/former bishop)


27 posted on 11/12/2013 9:44:18 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: svcw

More like Mormons are just whiners. Remember in the Mormon mindset, these little things reinforce their belief that the church is ‘true’. The LDS haven’t faced real persecution in 150 years and even then they were partially at fault for their own troubles in IL, MO, NY, and OH.


28 posted on 11/12/2013 9:49:00 AM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Ripliancum

They should start the investigations by 1st changing the name of their city.

BTW, I think they are going to find out it is one of their own.

Their edifices don’t look like churches to me.

Doesn’t mean they don’t consider them as such but, I don’t think church when I see them.

The temples are a different matter.


29 posted on 11/12/2013 11:31:24 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Here's an Oct. 15, 2013 article: UPDATE: Suspect arrested after four Arlington churches defaced by graffiti

When is the Governor of Texas going to speak out vs. vandalism of Christian churches?

Or is it that Mormon-narrative pity parties only start and end with Mormon buildings? And thereby only they gain the attention of govs?

Also...given that Joseph Smith left in the middle of the night with other Mormons in Kirtland Ohio in the 1830s due to bank fraud he had committed...thereby abandoning the temple there...Mormons haven't always been good stewards of their buildings as it is.

Occasionally in Mormon history, the "vandals" have been internal...here, in this column, a Mormon columnist for the Ogden, Utah newspaper mentions how a newly appointed Mormon "apostle" -- Lyman Sherman -- was told by Joseph Smith to set their Kirtland printing office on fire as they were leaving town:

"...opposition leaders sought to use a printing office to manufacture anti-LDS tracts. That printing office was destroyed by fire to prevent that, and historians believe it was the ever-faithful Sherman who set the blaze to thwart Smith’s enemies."
Source: Early Mormon Sherman died without ever knowing he was called to be an apostle

(Boy, those Mormon leaders sometimes go pretty far in their actions vs. who they perceive as anti-Mormonism)

30 posted on 11/12/2013 11:50:44 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Churches get graffiti-ed all the time, why is this governor talking about this ward graffiti?


31 posted on 11/12/2013 1:09:57 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

Ward of the state?


32 posted on 11/12/2013 3:50:21 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

momrons have wards not churches


33 posted on 11/12/2013 4:14:45 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

I understand that. The article uses the term “church”.

I was using a play on words for humor.


34 posted on 11/12/2013 4:22:04 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Ripliancum; reaganaut; svcw; Elsie; Vendome; All
From the article: The graffiti included...a rendering of a devil figure.

Indeed. Unauthorized artwork by any uncontracted graffiti artist should be arrested, tried & convicted.

Besides, the Mormon Church has already contracted/completed artistic representations of devilish-linked pentagrams for its Nauvoo Temple. (No need to take away contracts from these sub-contractors ... like an interesting account about one such sub-contractor from a dozen years ago...followed by a link where you can see the photos yourself):

"Charles W. Allen explained how he was commissioned by the LDS Church to build the leaded glass stars that encircle the outside of the Nauvoo temple. The plan was to remain faithful to the original design, so Allen commenced to put together stars that would be placed in an inverted fashion. However, Allen noted that on May 8, 2001, he was approached by three men from the church. He writes, 'Ron Prince, Cory Karl and Keith Stepan were in the shop this morning to see how I was doing and to take a look at the colored glass in the star sash. They really liked what they saw. Keith asked me whether, if President Hinckley wanted to have the star pointed in an up position, that would be possible? I said yes, that all I had to do is to rotate the sash. He made a recorded note of that for his next meeting with President Hinckley. There is some concern by members of the Temple Committee that the upside down star would be interpreted as a Satanic symbol which some cults believe in today.'"
[Source: Charles W. Allen, Window Maker, p. 182]

No, really? Satanic symbols in the Nauvoo temple eh? (And concerns raised by even members of the Mormon Nauvoo Temple Committee, eh?)

Also, scroll down toward the bottom of this Web site for photos of pentagrams linked to the Salt Lake Mormon temple and the Nauvoo Mormon temple:
Occult Symbols Explained: What Every Latter-day Saint Should Know: Please be patient, very heavy graphics loading

35 posted on 11/12/2013 4:26:10 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Vendome

OH


36 posted on 11/12/2013 4:29:37 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

I agree that the governor otter condemn vandalism


37 posted on 11/12/2013 4:30:46 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Colofornian

WTH? House of the Rising Sun..........what? That’s an opium den, why would mormons name the “temple’ that?


38 posted on 11/12/2013 4:31:42 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Colofornian

WOW These are really demonic!!


39 posted on 11/12/2013 4:33:24 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Colofornian

I don’t know that the symbols are occultic. They are definitely Manic.

I am a Mason and recognize the symbols.

The LDS was certainly inspired by Masonry and their endowment ceremony is an exact plagiarism of the 3° ceremony almost word for word.

The pillars, sun, moon, stars all have meaning in Masonry and LDS definitely co-opted them.


40 posted on 11/12/2013 4:43:53 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Running joke among some exmos who live in Utah. When they are asked “what ward are you in?” (common question) they respond “well, until recently the psych ward” punning on the LDS use of ward for congregation and the fact you have be crazy to believe that stuff.


41 posted on 11/12/2013 5:24:08 PM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: reaganaut

LOL

;-)


42 posted on 11/12/2013 5:25:19 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: reaganaut

Good one!!!


43 posted on 11/12/2013 5:26:42 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: reaganaut; Vendome; svcw; Elsie

When people ask me if I’m LDS, I always say: “not so’s you’d notice”.


44 posted on 11/12/2013 5:28:26 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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The graffiti included...a rendering of a devil figure.

why just use a FIGURE when they could use a photograph (below taken from the LDS endowment movie).

 photo ldsendposter.jpg

 photo handsomedevil.jpg

45 posted on 11/12/2013 5:30:14 PM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Utah Binger

Since I had my name removed I always respond “no”. Now if they were to ask me if I have EVER been LDS, that is a different question.


46 posted on 11/12/2013 5:33:11 PM PST by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: reaganaut
“not so’s you’d notice”

As I drink a very fine vodka.

47 posted on 11/12/2013 6:00:54 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: reaganaut

My good pal Mark Bangerter died last week. He happens to be a first cousin of Monson. Great times as we made fun of all things LDS.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?pid=167788908


48 posted on 11/12/2013 6:05:08 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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Running joke among some exmos who live in Utah. When they are asked “what ward are you in?” (common question) they respond “well, until recently the psych ward” punning on the LDS use of ward for congregation and the fact you have be crazy to believe that stuff.

Not real sure what you could possibly be referencin' Reaganaut.

When somebody mentions "Mormon" I think of...

A Mormon getting prepared to rise up early the next a.m. to his temple goes to bed...
...in his magically protective underwear...
...praying to a resurrected man who got the god job...
...a god whose spirit is no more "eternal past" than they themselves are...
...a god who died having needed a "savior" to save him...
...and a god who authorizes assembly-line vicarious dunkings of the dead...
...but alas, few of these "dead" so named are beyond a given century due to the sheer lack of info about them...

As he drifts off to sleep, he tries in vain to recall memories of his "home town" in the planet near the star Kolob. But no matter how he concentrates, a void is there.

His devotion the next morning includes verses from the Book of Mormon proclaiming that darker skin is indicative of God's cursing; and fair white skin a sign of God’s Blessing. And -- that skin color can actually change in the pre-Michael Jackson era.

He then heads off to a temple that was off-limits to such darker-skinned people 36 years ago -- boundary-ized by the Mormon gods themselves!

In the temple, he dons ritualistic white clothing...and repeats impersonal ritualistic jargon.

Somehow, tho these temples are of such "import" now...
...yet once upon a time, they were of such "take it or leave it" status that Mormons...
...abandoned one in Kirtland, Ohio in the 1830s...
...and didn't complete the one in Nauvoo, IL -- until AFTER the decision was made to evacuate it in 1846 [source: Doctrine & Covenants Student Manual, p. 315]...
...and then didn't dedicate another temple until 1877 [source: ibid] -- a full 47 years AFTER the Mormon church was organized!
[And no Mormon temples existed outside Utah & Hawaii until 93 years after their jumpstart...No Mormon temple was East of Utah until 125 years after their jumpstart]

49 posted on 11/12/2013 6:08:38 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Scoutmaster

Indeed!


50 posted on 11/12/2013 7:09:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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