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SeaWorld fights OSHA ruling [Team Obama Attacks Orlando Tourism]
Sentinel Source ^ | 11/12/13 | Vivian Kuo

Posted on 11/12/2013 7:02:00 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

No stranger to performances, SeaWorld must put on a very different kind of show today in what could be a make or break day for the aquatic entertainment giant.

SeaWorld Orlando is asking a panel of three judges on a federal appeals court to overturn safety citations and a ban instituted by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration restricting the ability of humans to interact with killer whales during performances.

The injunction was instituted after the death of veteran trainer Dawn Brancheau in 2010, when Tilikum, the orca she had worked with for years, dragged her into the water and killed her in front of horrified viewers.

OSHA said the company violated the general duty clause of the Occupational Safety and Health Act, saying it exposed its workers to a known hazard in the workplace. SeaWorld was slapped with a $75,000 fine for three safety violations, including one “willful” citation. After SeaWorld appealed that decision, an administrative law judge last year downgraded the “willful” complaint to “serious,” reducing the fine to $12,000.

Crucially, the judge sided with OSHA’s findings that keeping humans out of the water with killer whales unless there were physical barriers would reduce the risk of serious injury or death.

(Excerpt) Read more at m.sentinelsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: environmentalism; jobs
Hey, look, Team Obama's OSHA is going after Sea Worlds' bread and butter.

Ever hear about them targeting Disney or Universal for destruction? No?

Hmmmm. Interesting.

1 posted on 11/12/2013 7:02:00 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ever hear about them targeting Disney or Universal for destruction? No?”

Incident with Gibson Guitars being singled out immediately comes to mind.


2 posted on 11/12/2013 7:04:48 AM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Clearly, Team Sea World has to recruit overt bull-dyke lesbians to interact with the creatures. No foul, then.


3 posted on 11/12/2013 7:06:07 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

For some reason, that’s exactly the type that are the keepers of the elephants at our local zoo...


4 posted on 11/12/2013 7:06:58 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Shamu Shamu. Actually the trainers stand on a slope and the whales can easily scoot out and grab them. The trainers also ride around on the whales. It is very dangerous and IMHO unnecessary. I went years ago with my tun 6 year old granddaughter and I sure would not have wanted to see anyone killed or injured. When we were all chanting Shamu it felt a bit like the Roman colosseum. In a good way. LOL


5 posted on 11/12/2013 7:13:34 AM PST by Mercat
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To: SoFloFreeper

So does this mean nobody can work in the ocean? There are no barriers between them and the scary monsters of the ocean.


6 posted on 11/12/2013 7:14:41 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Please see the documentary Blackfish. Tilikum had killed 2 other trainers in other parks, and Sea World Orlando did not give this info to their trainers, including Dawn.

It will absolutely change your mind on whether killer whales should be kept in captivity. I suspect within two generations, we will look back with disgust and say, What were we thinking?


7 posted on 11/12/2013 7:14:51 AM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Those ladies at Sea World look pretty feminine to me.


8 posted on 11/12/2013 7:15:37 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mercat

Tip: Your 2 yr old daughter WON’T think it’s neat to be splashed by the whale...

Just a tip...


9 posted on 11/12/2013 7:15:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes, a government action is just a government action.

SeaWorld is putting dollars over safety and OSHA is right to step in on this one, as SeaWorld has shown a reckless disregard for the safety of their staff.


10 posted on 11/12/2013 7:18:13 AM PST by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: kevkrom
and OSHA is right to step in on this one,

I don't see anything in Art 1 Section 8 of the Constitution that gives the federal government any authority over workplace safety.

That's properly a function of the State. Which also has an OSHA.

The feds need to go back into the Constitutional box.

/johnny

11 posted on 11/12/2013 7:29:34 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If you are a trainer and you don’t know the inherent dangers of dealing with animals any animals. (a Charolais bull put me in the hospital for 3 weeks) and OSHA has to tell you. Then you probably voted for Obama.


12 posted on 11/12/2013 7:30:42 AM PST by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I almost put in the caveat about whether or not you agree with OSHA’s charter is another discussion. The fact is, under the charter they do have, right or wrong, this is a no-brainer and not some act of political oppression.


13 posted on 11/12/2013 7:35:00 AM PST by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There are dangerous acts performed every day - some with animals and some without animals. Cirque Soleil comes to mind. I think these acts are in a separate category than say factory safety and OSHA has no role here. How does one accept a job interacting with “killer whales” and not understand there is danger involved?


14 posted on 11/12/2013 7:41:51 AM PST by plain talk
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To: kevkrom

If it was really that dangerous there would have been a lot more people killed.


15 posted on 11/12/2013 8:02:43 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I hope the ban stays in place and SeaWorld goes out of business. These animals are deeply intelligent, social creatures and they don’t deserve to spends their lives in concrete tanks.


16 posted on 11/12/2013 8:15:10 AM PST by Catphish
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To: Catphish
Your contention is quite debatable. See

Dolphins May Be Dumber Than We Think

excerpted paragraph:

"For more than 50 years, the dolphin has been viewed as an especially intelligent creature, grouped together with human beings and great apes. But now a dispute on the subject has erupted among scientists, and the smart aleck of the seas may end up being just an average mammal. "We put them on a pedestal for no reason and projected a lot of our desires and wishes on them," says neuroethologist Paul Manger of the University of the Witwatersrand in South Africa. According to the professor, the claims that dolphins have a particularly complex brain, use a sophisticated language, are self-aware and can use tools are nonsense."

17 posted on 11/12/2013 8:27:44 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: cork

Swimming in an enclosed tank with a marine preditor whose name starts with the word “killer” ...what could go wrong?


18 posted on 11/12/2013 8:52:35 AM PST by Justa
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To: ifinnegan
"Your contention is quite debatable."

Well, I don't think he was being serious - check his 'nom de plume'.

19 posted on 11/12/2013 8:56:44 AM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: diogenes ghost

Hmmm.


20 posted on 11/12/2013 8:58:30 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

Well, further down in the article it say this.

“To put it bluntly, most of that is bullshit,” says Karsten Brensing, a marine biologist with the organization Whale and Dolphin Conservation (WDC) . . . “You can use similar arguments to prove that people aren’t intelligent.”

Also, watch this video about how Orcas cooperatively hunt - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3xmqbNsRSk


21 posted on 11/12/2013 9:00:47 AM PST by Catphish
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To: Catphish

That’s what debatable means.

I tend to accept the idea that these animals have been idealized.

Most liberal left hippy dippy propaganda, such as the superior mystical nature of cetaceans, is nonsense.

It serves as lies which further serve to inculcate world views that make one side with Government intrusion as in this current incident with OSHA and Seaworld.

I’d have no problem with a law that banned killer whale shows. But this is rule by fiat based upon whim.


22 posted on 11/12/2013 9:13:54 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

“Clearly, Team Sea World has to recruit overt bull-dyke lesbians to interact with the creatures. No foul, then.”

Are humans allowed in the water with bull-dyke lesbians?


23 posted on 11/12/2013 9:31:18 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: Rex Anderson

But they’re so Cute and they’re Black and White just like Obama. They should put an Orca on the Obamacare Death Panel.


24 posted on 11/12/2013 9:38:25 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Good news, Federal Funding for my Tagline has been restored. Crisis averted.)
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To: kevkrom

I don’t accept the premise that a federal bureaucracy has any business telling a private entity how to do their job.

I prefer the Constitutional approach. If this kind of business offends the sensibilities of the people of the state of Florida, then Florida can regulate it.


25 posted on 11/12/2013 9:40:00 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: kevkrom

I have a job as a halloween haunt monster. Now, I am unlikely to be killed in this job. However, my job is to scare people. Sometimes, people who are scared lash out. Several times a weekend, the scare-actors might get punched by a guest. This is a known workplace hazard, and we are all warned about it and trained how to minimize it.

But why could not OSHA simply claim that the risk of being hit by a guest outweighs any benefit of putting haunt monsters into that situation? It is hard to argue that the world needs people scaring other people for money. It is hard to say that it is essential that the haunt monster get close enough to a guest to be in a position to get punched.

But I can tell you that a LOT of people are entertained, and receive enjoyment, from that interaction.

Would a SeaWorld show be as enjoyable without the interaction between the trainer and the animal? I don’t know. But someone has probably done a cost-benefit analysis, and I’d think Sea World would not be doing this if they didn’t have evidence that more people will enjoy the show with the interaction (which is why it would be more money for them).

Are people’s enjoyment of a show worth the risk of harm? Well, people die playing pro football, and you could make illegal the actions that take place in a football game that lead to those deaths, but it would make the game less enjoyable. We clearly have a concept that enjoyment is worth risk of life. Same with many other sports, like car racing, which has no real purpose but to entertain, but which kills people.

I can’t imagine how you would run a circus without the trainers ever being in a position where a potentially deadly animal might be able to attack the trainer. Or whether people would really like a high-wire act if there was no chance of the person falling to their death (caveat: I personally don’t like watching other people risk their lives, and would enjoy the act more if I knew there was safety equipment, but that doesn’t appear to be true for most people).

I probably could support OSHA issuing safety guidelines that required trainers to be properly taught and to sign off on the risks. Informed consent is key.


26 posted on 11/12/2013 9:51:57 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

the government/insurance industrial complex rides again.

Why we are becoming a totalitarian Fascist country.


27 posted on 11/12/2013 10:05:51 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: driftdiver

That was not his point, it was sarcasm.

He was basically saying if the trainers were bull dykes, the obama team would leave Sea World alone. At least that is how I took it.


28 posted on 11/12/2013 3:32:56 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Mercat

The movie “Blackfish” changed me. I hate Seaworld.

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29 posted on 11/12/2013 3:38:20 PM PST by Mears (Liberalism is the art of being easily offended.)
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To: diogenes ghost

I seem to recall an incident where enviromentalists
raised a seal and then as they were releasing it
“into the wild” is was immediately eaten by an Orca.
I don’t think they show that footage much.


30 posted on 11/12/2013 3:40:05 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: castlegreyskull

Oh I missed that. Oops


31 posted on 11/12/2013 4:02:24 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: kevkrom

They’ve run how many shows for how many years with two fatalities. Convienance stores are more dangerous.


32 posted on 11/12/2013 4:04:12 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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