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Bishop Zubik says he won’t cooperate with government mandate
WPXI ^ | November 12, 2013

Posted on 11/12/2013 11:05:25 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia

PITTSBURGH — The Roman Catholic bishop of Pittsburgh said that he will refuse to sign a document allowing a third-party insurer to provide preventative reproductive services for employees of a diocese-related charity even if it means that the nonprofit will have to pay fines.

According to Channel 11's news exchange partners at TribLIVE, Bishop David Zubik said Tuesday in federal court in Pittsburgh that he wouldn't be able to live with himself "knowing that we're contradicting what we believe."

The Pittsburgh and Erie dioceses are challenging a new health care mandate that requires religious employers to either provide contraceptive and abortion coverage or certify their objections on moral grounds so an insurance company can provide such coverage.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; moralabsolutes; obamacare; prolife; zubik

1 posted on 11/12/2013 11:05:25 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: GOPJ; rightwingintelligentsia

Rebellion ping!


2 posted on 11/12/2013 11:07:57 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

For those who don’t know him...

David Allen Zubik is an American prelate of the Roman Catholic Church. He is the twelfth and current Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh, having previously served as Bishop of Green Bay from 2003 to 2007.


3 posted on 11/12/2013 11:09:32 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Freedom of religion...guess the POTUS wants us all to worship at the feet of the guvmint and not at our God's.

FAT CHANCE.

4 posted on 11/12/2013 11:09:57 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Glad Bp Zubik is doing the right thing, not the easy thing. Hope he can beat the HHS arm-twisters in court.


5 posted on 11/12/2013 11:10:14 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Pray.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I’ve got one of his cubes.


6 posted on 11/12/2013 11:11:17 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: SeekAndFind
He has guts, Hopefully it wont come down to that:

Appeals Court Delivers 'Significant Victory' for Catholics Fighting HHS Mandate CNSNews ^ | November 12, 2013 | Susan Jones

7 posted on 11/12/2013 11:16:41 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: SeekAndFind
Bishop Zubik described the University of Notre Dame's decision to have President Barack Obama deliver its commencement speech and receive an honorary degree as "painful" and "embarrassing," noting that Obama is "the single most outspoken pro-abortion president since the issue was foisted upon the country by the Supreme Court."

Americans voted for the baby-killer TWICE. We deserve him. Sad commentary on this supposedly Judeo-Christian country.

Muslims welcome all babies, all babies. I lived in the middle east (five years) and saw this pro-life, pro-baby mentality. We could take this ONE, tiny lesson from another culture, maybe. At least we could try to focus on the new life rather than the wishes of a selfish mother who wants her baby's life snuffed out.

8 posted on 11/12/2013 11:16:53 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Didn’t a district court just stop this nonsense?

I guess that is only effective for leftist causes.


9 posted on 11/12/2013 11:24:15 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Dear Bishop Zubik, Pittsburgh's Representative, Mike Doyle (D, PA-14) was instrumental in passing the Obamacare bill.

Doyle convinced Rep Stupak and his followers that Obamacare didn't mandate abortion and contraceptive care.

Stupak caved and the bill passed.

Doyle claims to be a Catholic.

It's your canonical duty to excommunicate Doyle.

10 posted on 11/12/2013 11:25:04 AM PST by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: cloudmountain; Bender2
RE: Muslims welcome all babies, all babies

Yeah, those pedophiles need to keep the queing going for their pedo encounters. Boys or girls, don't matter.

http://clashdaily.com/2013/09/muslim-child-bride-dies-yemeni-8yr-old-dies-internal-injuries-sex-husband-five-times-age/

11 posted on 11/12/2013 11:25:15 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: cloudmountain

No we don’t deserve him. Most Americans probably didn’t vote for him, if you take into consideration the fraud level and also the fact that 12% of the electorate (on a good day) turned out 98% of their bloc to achieve 20% of the votes for him simply because he was black (sort of).

However, it was certainly close - but even if it hadn’t been, nobody deserves this evil person.

BTW, Muslims oppose abortion of Muslims, because domination by population is their goal. But many US abortionists are Muslims (Pakistanis, Middle Easterners and African Muslims of various stripes) because abortion of a non-Muslim is simply a way of making a buck.

One of the best books I have read about the Muslim attitude toward non-Muslim women and children was, oddly enough, a book entitled “The Turkish Passion,” by the Spanish author Antonio Gala, who normally writes romance novels. But this was excellent.

Maybe you should look to the Christian vision for your inspiration. We had a relic of JPII here in St Augustine the other day, and while I am not particularly one of his fans because I thought he could have done more to correct the errors and scandals, many good things he wrote about the family and children and life were read at the service (a Rosary). We need to focus on that.


12 posted on 11/12/2013 11:29:05 AM PST by livius
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To: eCSMaster
It's your canonical duty to excommunicate Doyle.

Doyle's predecessor, ten-term Democrat William Coyne, who passed away recently, was regularly celebrated and feted at Catholic Church events all over town. And he NEVER met an abortion he wouldn't vote for.


13 posted on 11/12/2013 11:34:52 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: livius
Maybe you should look to the Christian vision for your inspiration. We had a relic of JPII here in St Augustine the other day, and while I am not particularly one of his fans because I thought he could have done more to correct the errors and scandals, many good things he wrote about the family and children and life were read at the service (a Rosary). We need to focus on that.

I attend daily Mass and have done so since 1981.
I am really not interested in relics, though I certainly wouldn't nay-say or disparage their efficacy or importance to others. Those things aren't the essence of the person. His soul is and that soul is NOT with us.

After Mass I join in the rosary. After that I do the Stations of the Cross myself.

I do these things because I need all the help I can get!

14 posted on 11/12/2013 11:44:25 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: livius
Maybe other Muslims, outside of the KSA, would approve of aborting Christian babies, but I doubt it. ALL babies were welcomed in the KSA and there were some pretty damaged babies.

Saudis often marry FIRST cousins...not good. If you look carefully at the current King, one of his eyes ISN'T pointing forward...the damage of too much intermarriage.
The "invisible" damage is the heart problems from way too much inbreeding.

One of the TWO finest heart clinics in the world is in the King's own bailiwick; the other is on his personal plane.

15 posted on 11/12/2013 11:49:38 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Relics are important because Christianity is a very physical religion (because of the Incarnation). Islam rejects physicality and regards the created world as evil and a rival to their strange god.

Christians need to take a serious look at things before praising Islam for any of its attitudes. Orthodox Jews also theoretically reject abortion, and indeed their numerous families attest to this. But like Muslims (Mohammed based his cult on Jewish ritual law) they also really only reject it for people within their group, and many Jews either run or participate in abortion “clinics” in areas such as NYC.

Only Christianity - and really, I think only Catholic Christianity - understands that the essential issue is “human,” and not necessarily of our religion or ethnic group.

I hope Bp Zubik holds firm, because he’ll get a lot of support from the pews if he does.


16 posted on 11/12/2013 11:56:13 AM PST by livius
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To: cloudmountain

The Saudi king is the Guardian of Mecca and Obama is busy trying to give the king’s position away to Iran, which is a serious problem and may mean that the Saudis won’t like us that much anymore.

There are very few resident non-Muslims in KSA, except for the contract labor that comes to clean their palaces, work in their hospitals, etc. Many of these people are Filipino Christians, who are essentially slaves and have been tried for bizarre charges, even put to death, etc.

If you’re a well off foreigner (probably working for an American oil company, such as many people I’ve known), I’m sure you’ll get good treatment.


17 posted on 11/12/2013 12:03:20 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
1. Relics are important because Christianity is a very physical religion (because of the Incarnation). Islam rejects physicality and regards the created world as evil and a rival to their strange god.
2. Christians need to take a serious look at things before praising Islam for any of its attitudes. Orthodox Jews also theoretically reject abortion, and indeed their numerous families attest to this. But like Muslims (Mohammed based his cult on Jewish ritual law) they also really only reject it for people within their group, and many Jews either run or participate in abortion “clinics” in areas such as NYC.
3. Only Christianity - and really, I think only Catholic Christianity - understands that the essential issue is “human,” and not necessarily of our religion or ethnic group.
4. I hope Bp Zubik holds firm, because he’ll get a lot of support from the pews if he does.

1. I really don't buy into your definition of the importance of relics. But, that's me. And, trust me, I know all about the physicality of Christianity. I've been one all my life and have had the indoctrination and believe in all of it.
I lived in a Muslim country for five years and I found that they all weren't evil devils. My Muslim boss was one of the kindest men I ever met.
We had a daily Mass in our little Muslim town with ARAMCO. I wanted to go the the 9:00 A.M. Mass. It was a 2-minute walk, lasted 20 minutes and I ALWAYS made up the time at my lunch hour. My Indian Catholic co-worker REALLY resented me doing this. He told me to stop or he would tell on me to my Muslim Arab boss.

I called his bluff. I'll never forget that confrontation. My boss heard out my co-worker and then said to both of us (not their real names): "John, God is number one. There is always time for God. Mary can go pray anytime she wants to."
I don't know whose mouth dropped open farther or faster, mine or John's, but I DID go to Mass every day because I could and because it was comforting to me. It was a habit I started and continue to this day.
I found my faith in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

God REALLY works in mysterious but efficacious ways!

2. I didn't know that. That is not good. I thought that the Jewish "chosen people" idea was dead and buried.

3. I don't think that the rest of the other faiths are that callous, but then, you have your own ideas and that's fine with me.

4. I hope he does too.

18 posted on 11/12/2013 12:16:59 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: livius
The Saudi king is the Guardian of Mecca and Obama is busy trying to give the king’s position away to Iran, which is a serious problem and may mean that the Saudis won’t like us that much anymore.
Yes, he is that
The Saudis will continue to love us because WE are the biggest users of what they get out of their ground.

There are very few resident non-Muslims in KSA, except for the contract labor that comes to clean their palaces, work in their hospitals, etc. Many of these people are Filipino Christians, who are essentially slaves and have been tried for bizarre charges, even put to death, etc.
True enough. The Filipinos don't have a particularly good life there sometimes. WE loved them and they loved us because there is a long GOOD history between the Philippines and the USA. We Americans did what we could to make their lives better. I hope some of us succeeded sometimes.

Some abysmally STUPID Americans tried to smuggle in Bibles.
That was as stupid as trying to sell booze, made in the illegal stills of the Aramcons or smuggled into the country by other stupids, to the Saudis. The company didn't mind if we made our own booze. We did. The company is stuffed with engineers and the stills were passed along with the, er, "cookbook," the BLUE FLAME.

If you’re a well off foreigner (probably working for an American oil company, such as many people I’ve known), I’m sure you’ll get good treatment.
We were very average Americans, working for ARAMCO, the Arabian-AMERICAN Oil Company, now called SAUDI Aramco.
The Saudis bought out the big four oil companies, three American companies and Shell, a Dutch company. It cost the Saudis more money than...well, who knows. But, I'm sure that the King, who personally owns all the oil (and natural gas that comes up with the oil, once burned off, now gathered and liquefied in LNG plants) took the zillions needed out of his "chump-change" drawer and bought the oil/gas rights BACK from the oil companies.
By the way, the King owns all the petroleum and gas to PREVENT tribal/familial warfare.

We got good treatment if we had listened to and took to heart the ONE-WEEK orientation required for us. We took it in Houston, (YEW-son, to the uninformed lol.) There are ALWAYS rules in this life.
There were rules. My husband and I obeyed them.
After two years we bought a house in the USA.
Meanwhile we traveled to places I know that I wouldn't probably ever see: Egypt twice, once at Christmas (Picture an Arab Santa.:o) and another down the Nile, Kenya, India, China and ALL over Europe. We had a ball.
We came home after five years but were able to PAY OFF the house in only NINE years total.

My husband and I had five years of our adventure of a lifetime. He's gone now but those memories are precious.

I am meeting an old ARAMCO friend, from Texas of course, and we are spending Christmas together in Cancun...with her son, daughter and son-in-law. Those times made us tight friends.

My Saudi boss has passed away by now but I will NEVER forget his kindness and his love of God.

19 posted on 11/12/2013 12:43:20 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And may I add (as someone who grew up in S. Oakland) that Bill Coyne was INVISIBLE. He lived in the house he (and many siblings—my late mom was good friends w/2 of his late sisters) grew up in on Halket Street (across from Magee Hospital). He was old even back in the early 80s.

I am very heartened that Bishop Zubik is standing firm.


20 posted on 11/12/2013 12:56:33 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom ( Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

Wasn’t invisible to me. He used to turn up at Church fundraisers all over the place with nuns and priests falling over and kissing his rear.


21 posted on 11/12/2013 1:06:36 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer

Bishop opposes Obamacare


22 posted on 11/12/2013 1:20:56 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Oh I’m sure he did venture into the safety of Church get togethers. He was NOT seen (my invisible comment) on news coverage of any Congressional committee he sat on it due to any Bill he authored.

He was a member of St Paul’s Cathedral so he would have been very chummy w/Zubiks predecessor, now Cardinal Wuerl. My guess you would agree that ALOT of CINOs attend St. Paul’s (as more a be seen place than a parish).


23 posted on 11/12/2013 1:21:37 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom ( Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...)
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To: eCSMaster

Doyle has already excommunicated himself per canon law. The bishop just needs to tell him publicly he should not present himself to receive Holy Communion if the man indeed does show up at Mass as he ought.


24 posted on 11/12/2013 2:45:35 PM PST by Nordic Breed
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