Skip to comments.Popcorn: Democrats in Disarray, Debating Whether to Turn On Obamacare
Posted on 11/13/2013 8:07:10 AM PST by Servant of the Cross
Bill Clinton's comments may have been the tipping point. Yesterday, the former president told an interviewer that the White House should keep its promise and honor its commitment on Obama's infamous "keep your plan" pledge. And if there's one person on planet earth whose reputation for honoring both the truth and personal commitments is -- ahem -- unimpeachable, it's him. Snark aside, Clinton's remarks were hugely impactful; not because he was expressing his own personal opinion, but because in doing so, he was extending a tacit permission slip to fellow Democrats. Message: It's okay to abandon Obama by starting to dismantle big parts of this law. His wife, who is widely expected to run for president, had no comment on the matter. And then, as these horrific poll numbers started to seep into the Washington bloodstream, the dam broke:
Feinstein: "I have decided to cosponsor Senator Mary Landrieus (D-La.) legislation: Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act."
Feinstein: Since the beginning of Sept, I have received 30,842 calls, emails & letters..many of whom are very distressed by cancellations"
Yes, that would be liberal California Democrat Dianne Feinstein pledging to co-sponsor Mary Landrieu's iteration of the GOP's "keep your plan" legislation. The House will vote on its own version on Friday, and CNN reports that even Democratic leadership is befuddled as to how members should vote. Accordingly, Friday is now the White House's "de facto deadline" to prevent perhaps dozens of House Democrats from sprinting away from the president, shattering the party's ruthless party discipline on Obamacare in the process:
This desperation mentality is contagious, and it's exceedingly risky for Democrats.
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Its their pig, let them ride it into the ground.
“OK, I admit I cannot read” - A collective quote from all democrats, formally documented in text and voice by Nancy Pelosi.
There have been articles about “putting the genie back in the bottle” and “toothpaste back in the tube” whether people can truly get back their cancelled policies.
The better approach is to just eliminate all the BS coverage requirements Sebelius put in to 0bamacare. Then let people go out insurers market their policies to consumers, just like before.
Oh wait, that’s a free market approach that puts decision making back in the hands of the individual. Never mind...
I don’t believe it...it’s a trick. The Rats have been salivating over this for over a century, they aren’t about to drop it because they’re taking short-term political hits for it. Government paid (and controlled) healthcare is as sacrosanct as abortion on demand.
You can make book on that.
This is sweet. During the shutdown Dems stayed with Obama 100%,
but now over complete disaster Obamacare rollout they are in a panic running the other way.
Time to joke about a Democrat civil war?
Bill Clinton is smart enough to know that most Democrats need a Sister Soledad moment to win elections in constituencies which are not radical left. I’m just curious how many Freeper know what I am talking about.
Dianne Feinstein, 2009:
“I voted in support of this bill because I believe it remains our best chance at reforming our broken health care system. With this bill, health care transitions from a privilege to a right for all Americans.....”
full nauseating boilerplate at
What kind of political party turns 180° like a flock of frightened starlings on the "comment" of a man proved by DNA to have been a perjurer and a sex pervert?
That caption was stolen from Cartman on Southpark, he came up with it in early 2000s.
Just realized that Harry Reid has gone MIA on this whole issue. Guess we’ll need a Searchlight to find him.
nothing is going to happen in the Democratic party. Pure evil sticks together, it never turns on itself.
People told them that this was a consequence of Obamacare,
and they got called “racists” for telling the truth.
When Mathews wakes up, his leg is gone(the wrong one), and he has a morphine drip and a Black Panther outreach psychologist reading aloud from Winnie Mandella's quotes on necklacing those who complain about government healthcare.
Now is the time to really push repeal. Enough of this modification stuff. Strike while the iron is hot, and it’s getting hotter.
Don’t you mean Sister Souljah?
What a tangled we weave...
“I dont believe it...its a trick. The Rats have been salivating over this for over a century, they arent about to drop it because theyre taking short-term political hits for it. Government paid (and controlled) healthcare is as sacrosanct as abortion on demand.
You can make book on that.”
The playbook is open for all to see. It’s not an exotic plan, but it’s tried and true.
I agree, Bill is distancing Hillary from this disaster. The media can never turn on their hero Obama, their love for him is too deep. But, what they can do, is blame the insurers and Republicans for the mess that is Obamacare. They have been doing that to some extent already.
The media will claim: Obama’s intentions were pure, his skill unmatched, as he gave Americans the greatest gift ever, Obamacare. The evil, GOP and insurance companies with the power of mega bucks rode in and screwed up Obama’s magnificent work.But fear not, Hillary is the tough, ultra competent administrator who can fend off the evil of the right and bring Americans the single payer system they deserve.
That’s the plan, I think Americans are stupid enough that it will work.
Be sure to keep your Senators on the hot seat.
If you live in VA, here are the contact pages:
Why? Don't mend it, end it. There is only one cure for DeathPanelCare, complete repeal.
I hope the GOP is thinking seriously about how many pounds of flesh they are going to extract from the Rats in exchange for supporting the Landrieu/Feinswine proposal.
That show was hilarious in the 2000s,
I still recall Cartman licking the (older) school bullies tears using that line “Your tears are yummy” after completely destroying his life for revenge, for picking on him.
It was the Chilli contest.
We will probably have a small touch of the same feeling that people felt when they saw the bums at Nuremberg on trial trying to weasel their way out of what they did.
Republicans need to all vote ‘PRESENT’!!
This vote is a trap - but there’s a way out. If republicans vote for it - they will be complicit when the crap hits the fan (ie. the toothpaste back in the tube analogy). They will be right in the middle of the mess, and will have no choice but to help clean it up.
If they vote against it, the dems will use that talking point against them forever.
SO....ALL REPUBLICANS: PLEASE!!
VOTE ‘PRESENT’ ON FRIDAY!
You Dems passed it, without reading it, in the middle of the night, without a single republican vote, on Christmas Eve, when nobody wanted it. You own it. Yes, we are ‘PRESENT’. We are watching. We want no part of this. ‘Present’ and watching you all squirm, fight, and destroy your party.
It won’t work. Liberals are generally cheapskates because they think the world owes them a living and when things cost money, they get mad. When they blame the insurance companies (which some are definitely culpable) the companies will just quote the law that says you must pay for something you don’t want or need. Then they get really mad because they hate it if someone tells them they have to do things they don’t want to do (like not break laws, do drugs, kill babies, etc). To me, that is the dilemma. All of that racism pap that my parents spew is soon to be out the window when they get their insurance bills...What to do if your a Dimwit?!
—ck em.. let them burn and let the people feel first hand the pain of not being engaged in the political process.
Any lifeline will be used to choke the Republicans because once one repub votes for this, the entire party owns it.
Yes. I stand corrected.
Yup, don’t lift a finger to save this thing. Let it be fully implemented and the pain felt. Maybe 2014 will be a good year for conservatives after all.
I don’t think Obama/Reid will allow it to come to a vote.
Insurance companies will stop it. If this bill is passed, insurance companies are toast because they’re counting on all those healthy people with the canceled policies to sign up for new, more expensive coverage to offset all the high risk people they are required to cover.
The insurance companies could just throw the towel in on the whole thing and they would be justified if the law has been changed on them midstream. No doubt they are combing the fine print now looking for loopholes because it’s not turning out they way they were promised it would.
The country made a hard right turn after Wilson.
The RATS will never turn on KING RAT!
So many people of all stripes are being effed by this monster. A lot of rude awakenings for a lot of diehard libs. Dems don’t give a damn about the little man. They just want his vote. Maybe, just maybe some of them will see the light.
Most politicians are more loyal to getting re elected than to their party. The gravy train ride is what they crave more than anything else and it exceeds their need for political allegiance. My estimate is that 99 out of 100 of them couldn’t earn the price of a Happy Meal in the open market.
The website difficulties are rapidly receding as the principal problem. The system isn't going to work, and Congress grandly commanding it to isn't going to do much more than pass the buck.
And when the republicans oppose it, they will be castigated as being the party of "no" for not fixing the Obama "oversight."
The goal is a single payer system, and the dems are not going to get there by voting to kill Obamacare. They will just throw more money at it, which will fix this problem, and bring the inevitable single payer system to us sooner. The media will champion this solution 24/7. Anyone thinking the dems are running from Obamacare aren't thinking. The dems don't make mistakes, they make adjustments.
Looks like both the right and the left are being wobbled by their radical wings. The radical left has hegemony, put their sock puppet in the White House, and are self destructing. IF and WHEN the radical right acheive a similar hegemony in the GOP (somewhat likely) we had better damned well have studied this dynamic and not assume that we are immune from having a free field of action lead to corruption, bad triage and prioritizations, a takeover by aparatchiks, a vacuum of ideas.
Job 1 will be an assault upon banking and high risk financial instruments. Job 2 will be to roll back the idiocy of global warming. Leave immigration and the rest of the soft issues to sort themselves out over the short term. Hit the banks, reinstate Glass Steagall, put evidence out there that global warming is a fraud and the rest will sort itself out.
Terrifying, cratering poll numbers have a way of focusing even the most corrupted partisan minds.
I do feel they are looking for a way out. If they can figure a way to get out of their White Guilt for tossing a black man under the bus.
Dems arrogantly passed Boobamba/Care, without reading it, in the middle of the night, on Christmas Eve, without a single Republican vote, when nobody wanted it. Dims own it, lock, stock, and its historic, career-wrecking flopolas.
Now, we the people, who said "no way," are watching you Dims squirm, and fight each other, while destroying your careers, and your nasty frickin' party.
Please post a link to the details. I'd forgotten about that episode, though it doesn't surprise me.
They are not trying to find a way of repealing Obastardcare. They are trying to figure out a way to take the political sting out of having fed the country a crap sandwich, preferably by hanging the blame on the Republicans.
Don’t be fooled: They are as intent as ever at cramming down that sandwich.
The dims can do anything they want .My feeling is that 2 of the supposed advantages of Obamacare is covering 20-30 mil that had no insurance.
Cut $700 bil from Medicare and at the same time reduce premiums about $2500/ yr.
You don’t have to be Einstein to observe adding that many people to the rolls while cutting premiums and disbursements does not come close to logic.
I don’t want a representative stupid enough to entertain that possibility.
“.. a Democrat civil war?...”
Be still my beating heart...
Has anyone in the media, specifically the WH Press Corps, asked Jay Carney about Clinton’s comments? What was the answer?
BTW : Thomas Sowell wrote a article out the other day which explained why the shutdown was a really bad idea for the GOP to do.