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Popcorn: Democrats in Disarray, Debating Whether to Turn On Obamacare
Townhall.com ^ | 11/13/2013 | Guy Benson

Posted on 11/13/2013 8:07:10 AM PST by Servant of the Cross

Bill Clinton's comments may have been the tipping point. Yesterday, the former president told an interviewer that the White House should keep its promise and honor its commitment on Obama's infamous "keep your plan" pledge. And if there's one person on planet earth whose reputation for honoring both the truth and personal commitments is -- ahem -- unimpeachable, it's him. Snark aside, Clinton's remarks were hugely impactful; not because he was expressing his own personal opinion, but because in doing so, he was extending a tacit permission slip to fellow Democrats. Message: It's okay to abandon Obama by starting to dismantle big parts of this law. His wife, who is widely expected to run for president, had no comment on the matter. And then, as these horrific poll numbers started to seep into the Washington bloodstream, the dam broke:

Feinstein: "I have decided to cosponsor Senator Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) legislation: Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act."

Feinstein: “Since the beginning of Sept, I have received 30,842 calls, emails & letters..many of whom are very distressed by cancellations"

Yes, that would be liberal California Democrat Dianne Feinstein pledging to co-sponsor Mary Landrieu's iteration of the GOP's "keep your plan" legislation. The House will vote on its own version on Friday, and CNN reports that even Democratic leadership is befuddled as to how members should vote. Accordingly, Friday is now the White House's "de facto deadline" to prevent perhaps dozens of House Democrats from sprinting away from the president, shattering the party's ruthless party discipline on Obamacare in the process:

This desperation mentality is contagious, and it's exceedingly risky for Democrats.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; deathpanels; democrat; diannefeinstein; disarray; guarantee; louisiana; marylandrieu; obamacare; period; popcorn; youcankeepyourundies; zerocare
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1 posted on 11/13/2013 8:07:10 AM PST by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross
Hey, maybe after Al Franken gets tossed out of the Senate he'll have time to write a new chapter for this book:  photo Lies_and_the_lying_liars_zps177534a5.jpg
2 posted on 11/13/2013 8:09:26 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: Servant of the Cross

Its their pig, let them ride it into the ground.


3 posted on 11/13/2013 8:10:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

“OK, I admit I cannot read” - A collective quote from all democrats, formally documented in text and voice by Nancy Pelosi.


4 posted on 11/13/2013 8:10:25 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

There have been articles about “putting the genie back in the bottle” and “toothpaste back in the tube” whether people can truly get back their cancelled policies.

The better approach is to just eliminate all the BS coverage requirements Sebelius put in to 0bamacare. Then let people go out insurers market their policies to consumers, just like before.

Oh wait, that’s a free market approach that puts decision making back in the hands of the individual. Never mind...


5 posted on 11/13/2013 8:11:50 AM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I don’t believe it...it’s a trick. The Rats have been salivating over this for over a century, they aren’t about to drop it because they’re taking short-term political hits for it. Government paid (and controlled) healthcare is as sacrosanct as abortion on demand.

You can make book on that.


6 posted on 11/13/2013 8:12:56 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Servant of the Cross; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; Liz
RE :”Popcorn: Democrats in Disarray, Debating Whether to Turn On Obamacare”

This is sweet. During the shutdown Dems stayed with Obama 100%,
but now over complete disaster Obamacare rollout they are in a panic running the other way.

Time to joke about a Democrat civil war?
Payback

7 posted on 11/13/2013 8:13:01 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Servant of the Cross

Bill Clinton is smart enough to know that most Democrats need a Sister Soledad moment to win elections in constituencies which are not radical left. I’m just curious how many Freeper know what I am talking about.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 8:13:05 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Junk Silver



9 posted on 11/13/2013 8:13:35 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: Servant of the Cross

Dianne Feinstein, 2009:

“I voted in support of this bill because I believe it remains our best chance at reforming our broken health care system. With this bill, health care transitions from a privilege to a right for all Americans.....”

full nauseating boilerplate at
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=c15217bf-5056-8059-76e6-f46e86a699a8


10 posted on 11/13/2013 8:13:38 AM PST by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: Junk Silver
Al Franken accusing the Republicans of being liars?

What kind of political party turns 180° like a flock of frightened starlings on the "comment" of a man proved by DNA to have been a perjurer and a sex pervert?


11 posted on 11/13/2013 8:14:05 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Servant of the Cross

That caption was stolen from Cartman on Southpark, he came up with it in early 2000s.


12 posted on 11/13/2013 8:14:17 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: relictele

Just realized that Harry Reid has gone MIA on this whole issue. Guess we’ll need a Searchlight to find him.


13 posted on 11/13/2013 8:15:26 AM PST by ken5050 (Benghazi investigation update: "The plot thickens, like Hillary Clinton's ankles.." (longfellow")
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To: Servant of the Cross

nothing is going to happen in the Democratic party. Pure evil sticks together, it never turns on itself.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 8:15:46 AM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: FReepers

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15 posted on 11/13/2013 8:17:33 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: cripplecreek

People told them that this was a consequence of Obamacare,
and they got called “racists” for telling the truth.


16 posted on 11/13/2013 8:18:53 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: cripplecreek
Chris Mathews goes to the doctor. The doctor asks him how he's feeling? Mathews responds with a feeling of depression and a lack of feeling in his leg at this point. The doctor checks his Obamacare manual on possible treatments allowed for a 55 year old white male with nerve degeneration in the leg. The doctor schedules Mathews for an outpatient "procedure" to resolve his depression and lack of feeling in his leg.

When Mathews wakes up, his leg is gone(the wrong one), and he has a morphine drip and a Black Panther outreach psychologist reading aloud from Winnie Mandella's quotes on necklacing those who complain about government healthcare.

17 posted on 11/13/2013 8:18:57 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Now is the time to really push repeal. Enough of this modification stuff. Strike while the iron is hot, and it’s getting hotter.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 8:19:27 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Don’t you mean Sister Souljah?


19 posted on 11/13/2013 8:19:35 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: Servant of the Cross

What a tangled we weave...


20 posted on 11/13/2013 8:19:44 AM PST by albie
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To: Cyber Liberty

“I don’t believe it...it’s a trick. The Rats have been salivating over this for over a century, they aren’t about to drop it because they’re taking short-term political hits for it. Government paid (and controlled) healthcare is as sacrosanct as abortion on demand.

You can make book on that.”

The playbook is open for all to see. It’s not an exotic plan, but it’s tried and true.

I agree, Bill is distancing Hillary from this disaster. The media can never turn on their hero Obama, their love for him is too deep. But, what they can do, is blame the insurers and Republicans for the mess that is Obamacare. They have been doing that to some extent already.

The media will claim: Obama’s intentions were pure, his skill unmatched, as he gave Americans the greatest gift ever, Obamacare. The evil, GOP and insurance companies with the power of mega bucks rode in and screwed up Obama’s magnificent work.But fear not, Hillary is the tough, ultra competent administrator who can fend off the evil of the right and bring Americans the single payer system they deserve.

That’s the plan, I think Americans are stupid enough that it will work.


21 posted on 11/13/2013 8:20:43 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: MrB
"Former" congressman Mark Schauer is running for governor in Michigan and I couldn't be more pleased. His only memorable vote was for Obamacare.

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22 posted on 11/13/2013 8:23:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Be sure to keep your Senators on the hot seat.

If you live in VA, here are the contact pages:

http://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

http://www.kaine.senate.gov/contact


23 posted on 11/13/2013 8:23:50 AM PST by randita
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To: Servant of the Cross
The House will vote on its own version on Friday,...

Why? Don't mend it, end it. There is only one cure for DeathPanelCare, complete repeal.

24 posted on 11/13/2013 8:26:28 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Obama is a proven liar, an admitted liar, an unrepentent liar.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I hope the GOP is thinking seriously about how many pounds of flesh they are going to extract from the Rats in exchange for supporting the Landrieu/Feinswine proposal.


25 posted on 11/13/2013 8:27:36 AM PST by randita
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To: sickoflibs
By all means then, let the minutes reflect props to Cartman for the original line ....


26 posted on 11/13/2013 8:29:22 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: sickoflibs
Go ahead, Dimwits---turn it on. ROTFL.


27 posted on 11/13/2013 8:34:10 AM PST by Liz
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To: Servant of the Cross

That show was hilarious in the 2000s,

I still recall Cartman licking the (older) school bullies tears using that line “Your tears are yummy” after completely destroying his life for revenge, for picking on him.

It was the Chilli contest.


28 posted on 11/13/2013 8:36:47 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Servant of the Cross
If anyone deserves to have a Oktoberfest-like Schadenfreude-fest in their honor, it is the vile, unfeeling, incompetent, hateful Dems that are going to LOSE big in the next elections!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

We will probably have a small touch of the same feeling that people felt when they saw the bums at Nuremberg on trial trying to weasel their way out of what they did.

29 posted on 11/13/2013 8:37:44 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: randita

Republicans need to all vote ‘PRESENT’!!

This vote is a trap - but there’s a way out. If republicans vote for it - they will be complicit when the crap hits the fan (ie. the toothpaste back in the tube analogy). They will be right in the middle of the mess, and will have no choice but to help clean it up.

If they vote against it, the dems will use that talking point against them forever.

SO....ALL REPUBLICANS: PLEASE!!

VOTE ‘PRESENT’ ON FRIDAY!

You Dems passed it, without reading it, in the middle of the night, without a single republican vote, on Christmas Eve, when nobody wanted it. You own it. Yes, we are ‘PRESENT’. We are watching. We want no part of this. ‘Present’ and watching you all squirm, fight, and destroy your party.


30 posted on 11/13/2013 8:41:17 AM PST by privatedrive
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To: brownsfan

It won’t work. Liberals are generally cheapskates because they think the world owes them a living and when things cost money, they get mad. When they blame the insurance companies (which some are definitely culpable) the companies will just quote the law that says you must pay for something you don’t want or need. Then they get really mad because they hate it if someone tells them they have to do things they don’t want to do (like not break laws, do drugs, kill babies, etc). To me, that is the dilemma. All of that racism pap that my parents spew is soon to be out the window when they get their insurance bills...What to do if your a Dimwit?!


31 posted on 11/13/2013 8:45:20 AM PST by gr8eman (Bandying nice with wannabe commies is over! You're either for freedom or you're not!)
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To: All

—ck em.. let them burn and let the people feel first hand the pain of not being engaged in the political process.
Any lifeline will be used to choke the Republicans because once one repub votes for this, the entire party owns it.


32 posted on 11/13/2013 8:45:41 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

Yes. I stand corrected.


33 posted on 11/13/2013 8:46:49 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: cripplecreek

Yup, don’t lift a finger to save this thing. Let it be fully implemented and the pain felt. Maybe 2014 will be a good year for conservatives after all.


34 posted on 11/13/2013 8:49:27 AM PST by refermech
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To: privatedrive

I don’t think Obama/Reid will allow it to come to a vote.

Insurance companies will stop it. If this bill is passed, insurance companies are toast because they’re counting on all those healthy people with the canceled policies to sign up for new, more expensive coverage to offset all the high risk people they are required to cover.

The insurance companies could just throw the towel in on the whole thing and they would be justified if the law has been changed on them midstream. No doubt they are combing the fine print now looking for loopholes because it’s not turning out they way they were promised it would.


35 posted on 11/13/2013 8:50:45 AM PST by randita
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To: refermech

The country made a hard right turn after Wilson.


36 posted on 11/13/2013 8:50:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The RATS will never turn on KING RAT!


37 posted on 11/13/2013 8:53:00 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: cripplecreek

So many people of all stripes are being effed by this monster. A lot of rude awakenings for a lot of diehard libs. Dems don’t give a damn about the little man. They just want his vote. Maybe, just maybe some of them will see the light.


38 posted on 11/13/2013 8:57:19 AM PST by refermech
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To: Vigilanteman

Most politicians are more loyal to getting re elected than to their party. The gravy train ride is what they crave more than anything else and it exceeds their need for political allegiance. My estimate is that 99 out of 100 of them couldn’t earn the price of a Happy Meal in the open market.


39 posted on 11/13/2013 8:59:33 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Servant of the Cross
This isn't a great deal more than a promise to wave a magic wand and suspend the laws of economics. People were being dropped because their premiums were insufficient to support the tremendous load placed on a rickety and poorly-designed program by people looking for free health insurance. Nothing in that has changed.

The website difficulties are rapidly receding as the principal problem. The system isn't going to work, and Congress grandly commanding it to isn't going to do much more than pass the buck.

40 posted on 11/13/2013 9:00:50 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Servant of the Cross
The democrat solution will be to offer massive subsidies for those whose costs/deductibles have increased, so that the new, new policy provides more coverage for about the same amount they were paying before Obamacare.

And when the republicans oppose it, they will be castigated as being the party of "no" for not fixing the Obama "oversight."

The goal is a single payer system, and the dems are not going to get there by voting to kill Obamacare. They will just throw more money at it, which will fix this problem, and bring the inevitable single payer system to us sooner. The media will champion this solution 24/7. Anyone thinking the dems are running from Obamacare aren't thinking. The dems don't make mistakes, they make adjustments.

41 posted on 11/13/2013 9:03:53 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Junk Silver

Looks like both the right and the left are being wobbled by their radical wings. The radical left has hegemony, put their sock puppet in the White House, and are self destructing. IF and WHEN the radical right acheive a similar hegemony in the GOP (somewhat likely) we had better damned well have studied this dynamic and not assume that we are immune from having a free field of action lead to corruption, bad triage and prioritizations, a takeover by aparatchiks, a vacuum of ideas.

Job 1 will be an assault upon banking and high risk financial instruments. Job 2 will be to roll back the idiocy of global warming. Leave immigration and the rest of the soft issues to sort themselves out over the short term. Hit the banks, reinstate Glass Steagall, put evidence out there that global warming is a fraud and the rest will sort itself out.


42 posted on 11/13/2013 9:06:11 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: Cyber Liberty

Terrifying, cratering poll numbers have a way of focusing even the most corrupted partisan minds.

I do feel they are looking for a way out. If they can figure a way to get out of their White Guilt for tossing a black man under the bus.


43 posted on 11/13/2013 9:11:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: privatedrive
Nice wrap.

Dems arrogantly passed Boobamba/Care, without reading it, in the middle of the night, on Christmas Eve, without a single Republican vote, when nobody wanted it. Dims own it, lock, stock, and its historic, career-wrecking flopolas.

Now, we the people, who said "no way," are watching you Dims squirm, and fight each other, while destroying your careers, and your nasty frickin' party.

44 posted on 11/13/2013 9:12:00 AM PST by Liz
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To: nathanbedford
What kind of political party turns 180° like a flock of frightened starlings on the "comment" of a man proved by DNA to have been a perjurer and a sex pervert?

Please post a link to the details. I'd forgotten about that episode, though it doesn't surprise me.

45 posted on 11/13/2013 9:29:14 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

They are not trying to find a way of repealing Obastardcare. They are trying to figure out a way to take the political sting out of having fed the country a crap sandwich, preferably by hanging the blame on the Republicans.

Don’t be fooled: They are as intent as ever at cramming down that sandwich.


46 posted on 11/13/2013 9:36:02 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The dims can do anything they want .My feeling is that 2 of the supposed advantages of Obamacare is covering 20-30 mil that had no insurance.
Cut $700 bil from Medicare and at the same time reduce premiums about $2500/ yr.

You don’t have to be Einstein to observe adding that many people to the rolls while cutting premiums and disbursements does not come close to logic.

I don’t want a representative stupid enough to entertain that possibility.


47 posted on 11/13/2013 9:45:46 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: sickoflibs

“.. a Democrat civil war?...”

Be still my beating heart...


48 posted on 11/13/2013 9:47:58 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: cripplecreek

Has anyone in the media, specifically the WH Press Corps, asked Jay Carney about Clinton’s comments? What was the answer?


49 posted on 11/13/2013 9:51:09 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: NFHale
Wouldnt it fun to watch them kill each other for a change?

BTW : Thomas Sowell wrote a article out the other day which explained why the shutdown was a really bad idea for the GOP to do.

see Sowell and #27

50 posted on 11/13/2013 9:52:01 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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