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Should The GOP Bail Out Obamacare?
Hugh Hewitt.com ^ | November13,2013 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 11/13/2013 8:24:28 AM PST by Hojczyk

Should the GOP go along with a partial fix that will help a handful of vulnerable Democrats save their seats and a few million Americans save their insurance –for one year?

Hard as it is for me to say given the peril of those Americans, I think the answer is no, unless the Republicans drive a very hard bargain, one that includes some very apparently unrelated items, items which are indeed connected to the terribly destructive way Harry Reid has run the Senate and the president has run the executive branch.

We need the president to stop his war on the economy as well as his war on healthcare. He has to stop the EPA from gutting the energy industry. He has to negotiate on the debt.

We need Harry Reid to stop destroying the Senate and to live by the very rules he and Pat Leahy wielded against Bush judicial nominees from 2003-2006.

We need immediate relief for the DOD from the absurd sequester caps even as domestic spending remains cabined.

Mostly though we need real Obamacare reform, and not just a delay of one year. I accept the president won’t accept repeal, but he ought to accept postponement until 2017 because the very basics of the system are so deeply flawed as to prevent rollout until then, and another presidential election will allow people to focus on the law and decide whether to proceed with eyes opened.

There are plenty of smart folks who could fix this mess –like Wellspring founder Denny Weinberg and Avik Roy and many others– but they need time and the state insurance commissioners need authority. Those sorts of provisions must be part of an Obamacare bailout bill.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; michigan; obamacare; zerocare

1 posted on 11/13/2013 8:24:28 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
If they do, it will be the stupidest thing they've ever done.

Obamacare needs to be destroy into it's individual molecules and buried deep in the Earth where it cannot destroy us.

Radioactive waste is safer!

2 posted on 11/13/2013 8:27:54 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Hojczyk
NO
3 posted on 11/13/2013 8:29:48 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Hojczyk
No. The GOP should hammer the point home that this was a party line vote, and the Democrats must have wanted this legislation. Force the Democrats to repeatedly acknowledge they voted for a 2500 page bill they did not understand. Or, that the Democrats wanted this to happen to people.

I can dream, can't I?

4 posted on 11/13/2013 8:30:03 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Hojczyk

People are angry. People are upset. People are hating the monstrosity known as Obamacare more and more every day.

Now is the time to push REPEAL, not delay. Squeeze the Democrats on this until they bleed.

If we had a real opposition party in this country, the GOP would be right back out there pushing repeal.

Mitch McConnell, you want to claim you’re a conservative? Lead the way.


5 posted on 11/13/2013 8:31:51 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Hojczyk
unless the Republicans drive a very hard bargain

That's comedy gold, right there.

6 posted on 11/13/2013 8:32:05 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Hojczyk
RE “:Should the GOP go along with a partial fix that will help a handful of vulnerable Democrats save their seats and a few million Americans save their insurance –for one year? “

If the fix involves eliminating some of the mandates forever under the guise of ‘keeping your insurance’ it will kill the Obama care core: the exchanges.

I see little benefit to temporary changes.

7 posted on 11/13/2013 8:33:14 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Hojczyk

defund it. period.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 8:33:18 AM PST by dadfly
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To: Hojczyk
They tried in 2010 and got slammed.
Ted Cruz tried last month and got slammed.

Tried to put up twice, now time to shut up.

9 posted on 11/13/2013 8:35:15 AM PST by AU72
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10 posted on 11/13/2013 8:36:46 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Hojczyk

NO!


11 posted on 11/13/2013 8:38:10 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Ray76
"NO"

Correct Answer! Let it go into effect. It was rammed through the House and Senate on a party line vote and also Harry Reid suspended normal Senate Rules to get it to pass in the Senate.

Let the public know every day this is a DEMONICRAT BILL and also promise to kill the act once we have a Veto proof majority in the Senate and House.

This will be painful for the voting public on a short term basis. The pain this bill can do if allowed to stand without revocation would be enormous and threatens the very foundation of our Republic. Please note, we are not a Democracy, we are a Democratic Republic. Pure Democracy always leads to a failed state, without exception.

12 posted on 11/13/2013 8:38:52 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Hojczyk

NO (Let them hang)!


13 posted on 11/13/2013 8:39:53 AM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Hojczyk
REPEAL IT!

No help to BO and the Rats.

To the libs everywhere - Live With IT or Repeal IT!

Nothing in between.

14 posted on 11/13/2013 8:40:36 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: 5thGenTexan

Correct. Make the Democrats kneel. Make them apologize. Complete capitulation. The Dems will never do this unless they are nearing destruction.

I want to hear unconditional “mea maxima culpa” out of the mouths of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al.

This is an opportunity to turn the tide on almost 100 years of socialism. The destruction of the Democrats is necessary.


15 posted on 11/13/2013 8:41:05 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Colonel_Flagg

“Now is the time to push REPEAL, not delay.”

Absolutely. Timing is everything.


16 posted on 11/13/2013 8:41:31 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Hojczyk

The only acceptable repair of ObamaCare is complete repeal. Followed by an open, legal process to replace the nightmare program.


17 posted on 11/13/2013 8:44:12 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Hojczyk

Republicans would be MORE popular if they try to repeal it.

Of course, they’re as dumb as a box of rocks and try to “fix it”. *Sigh* Morons.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 8:46:08 AM PST by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: MichaelCorleone

The way to make this law, the Progressives and Obama fall to their political death is to enforce it! Nothing says “repeal” like enforcing a bad law. Ref: Prohibition


19 posted on 11/13/2013 8:47:14 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Hojczyk

The word bail does not compute, but jail does.


20 posted on 11/13/2013 8:48:45 AM PST by jetson
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To: ClearCase_guy

Bingo...I also laughed when I read that...


21 posted on 11/13/2013 8:50:45 AM PST by ken5050 (Benghazi investigation update: "The plot thickens, like Hillary Clinton's ankles.." (longfellow")
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To: Hojczyk
Hugh, that's the equivalent of FDR saying "it's not the fault of the Emperor that the message wasn't delivered on time" on 12/7/41.

The White House knew exactly what they were doing, and part of the plan is dragging the GOPe into the fix, to shift the blame to the Pubbies.

The Democrats need to eat every single piece of Obamacare poop.

22 posted on 11/13/2013 8:52:05 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Hojczyk

No.


23 posted on 11/13/2013 8:55:01 AM PST by mulligan
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To: zerosix

“REPEAL IT! No help to BO and the Rats. To the libs everywhere - Live With IT or Repeal IT!”

Agreed. The Repubs have to play this right. The RATS will push for fixes. If the Repubs block them THEY will blamed for Obamacare’s problems. One way to avoid that will be to state loudly and often that Obamacare CANNOT be fixed and MUST be repealed as it is fundamentally flawed. They also need to start running commercials that Obamacare threatens people’s healthcare and that millions are losing their insurance and doctors. There need to be lots of sob stories from those who are “suffering” because of this law either by losing insurance or their doctor. A little “we told you so” wont hurt also. This is a great opportunity that I’m sure the Repubs will screw up.


24 posted on 11/13/2013 8:55:30 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: dadfly
You have that right, Defund it and get out of the way, let this modern tower of Babel collapse on its own. We even have a modern Nimrod to lead the collapse! LOL.
25 posted on 11/13/2013 8:55:36 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Hojczyk

Typical Republicans snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.


26 posted on 11/13/2013 8:55:43 AM PST by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: Hojczyk
Maybe a resolution telling Obama to rescind the regulations that have caused so many insurance cancellations. (This wasn't even in the ACA -- it was a conscious decision by Obama and his minions.)

Either way, Obamacare is unfixable no matter what anyone does. To make it work -- and he's an avid golfer, so if he were golfing -- he'd need the statistical equivalent of 18 holes-in-one. He's still stuck in the sand trap for the first hole.

27 posted on 11/13/2013 8:56:37 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Hojczyk

You can’t fix stupid. Which means the Republican leadership will try to fix it.


28 posted on 11/13/2013 8:57:36 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: zerosix

F NO!


29 posted on 11/13/2013 8:57:39 AM PST by Pit1 (Obama is the big pile in the road.)
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To: Hojczyk

While I appreciate that pundits and commentators have to put out articles on a regular basis, I don’t see how a sentient human being can entertain this notion for a millisecond.

There has hardly been one point of contention in the entire sordid, rotten presidency of Barack 0bama where Geo Bush didn’t do almost as bad. Fast & furious? Started under Bush, yes I know, not as bad, but there’s always the point that W started it. The level of corruption? Well, that’s unmatched, but since none of it has been prosecuted, it’s again a moot point.

With 0care, here we have the single issue destined to touch the greatest number of Americans, destined to cause them the most harm, immutably badged with 0bama, and looking like a trainwreck of galactic proportions.

Leave it alone. I did not think this way during the Cruz filibuster period. Let there be no doubt, the damage from letting this proceed is going to be epic. And it’s entirely unnecessary. But there is no stopping this thing now until the Dems suffer the massive defeat I suspect they will...ONLY if they remain branded with this disaster, consistently, and unrelentingly.


30 posted on 11/13/2013 8:58:05 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Hojczyk

“Mitch McConnell knows exactly the sort of bargain to drive, as does Paul Ryan. If the president and the desperate Democrats want to deal, the Speaker should send just Ryan along with Leader McConnell to the meeting, and get down to the specifics of undoing the vast damage the bystander president has wrought.”

With all due respect to Mr. Hewitt. McConnell DOES NOT know what kind of bargain to drive. McConnell DOES NOT know how to negotiate.

Maybe Ryan does, but I think even that remains to be seen....


31 posted on 11/13/2013 9:01:36 AM PST by Vanbasten
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To: Hojczyk
Let it die. Make them suffer. This was an all-Democrat mistake, and after the way they've treated conservatives, I will take great pleasure knowing they will be getting a daily diet of crow as the Unaffordable Care Act crumbles.

I'd love to see all the people who voted for Obama get their insurance cancelled, I really would. I want to hear them howl when their bill goes from $450 to $2,450 or so. This is the GOP's chance to go all 'Cloward-Piven' on these bastards, and they'd be really stupid not to take advantage of it.

32 posted on 11/13/2013 9:06:51 AM PST by Kenton
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To: PATRIOT1876

Just vote PRESENT! See other thread.


33 posted on 11/13/2013 9:06:59 AM PST by BillM (.)
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To: PATRIOT1876

Though be prepared that if the Dems come and ask the GOP to help fix it, and they refuse, the media will start a relentless 24/7 carpet bombing campaign blaming Republicans for the fact that your healthcare is screwed-up.

I’d be very careful about stepping into the trap here.


34 posted on 11/13/2013 9:07:04 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Hojczyk

Obamacare must be repealed...now!!! And.......not only because the Republicans deem it necessary!!! The Clinton attack on Obama will be fantastically successful!!! the Clintons will totally destroy Barack Hussein (traitor, Muslim) Obama. The mass of Democrat rank and file will flock to the clintons ans throw Obama under the bus very quickly!!!

Obama has one, and only one, card to play......admit he lied, scrap the entire “Obamacare”, enter negotiations with Democrats, Republicans & private industry and come with a health care bill with no federal government participation at all!!! If Obama does not do this....he will in effect be useless for the rest of his term...and...worse he will go down as the worst, failed POTUS in American history!!!

Obama....reality has arrived. Ego and ugly manners will get you zilch!!! the Clinton political arrow has hit you right in the center of your arrogant heart!!!


35 posted on 11/13/2013 9:10:42 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
You've got it!

Let the GOP appear "sensitive" to the "plight of many of the suffering Americans who've lost their insurance due to Obama care that is "settled law and as such cannot be 'fixed' or 'changed.'"

If they had the guts and some political savvy, repeat that "every member of the GOP voted AGAINST Obamacare for this very reason but they are happy to help the people by repealing in its entirety."

36 posted on 11/13/2013 9:15:24 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Hojczyk

The dims passed this crap all by themselves (using trickery), they pummelled Republicans over all their attempts for repeal, accused Sen. Cruz of shutting down the govt over settled law, etc......

Now that the public is suffering, and zero’s numbers are in the toilet along with his big stinker, Republicans are supposed to come up with a solution, or once again they’re the bad guys.

I’d like to see them attempt another vote for repeal, while at the same time, write a solution for those who have lost their coverage.

They should also be out there every chance they get reminding Americans how much of their hard earned money was thrown at this pile.


37 posted on 11/13/2013 9:27:16 AM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: dadfly
Repeal it, period.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

38 posted on 11/13/2013 9:35:31 AM PST by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: zerosix

Bingo


39 posted on 11/13/2013 9:42:49 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Heart of Georgia

Those who want to change settled law are hostage takers, arsonists, terrorists with bombs on their chest, etc etc etc.

Remember the Barrycades!


40 posted on 11/13/2013 9:44:33 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Hojczyk

WTF? No. No and No.


41 posted on 11/13/2013 9:46:00 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Hojczyk

The GOP are as bad as the democrats.... why they couldn’t just get out of the way and let the thing crash on it’s own.


42 posted on 11/13/2013 9:59:51 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Ray76

Yes, and it was Mr. Barrycade himself who changed his law in attempts to keep as much of this clunker under wraps as possible, as long as possible.


43 posted on 11/13/2013 10:07:53 AM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: Hojczyk

Don't shoot! Let 'em BURN!

44 posted on 11/13/2013 10:48:57 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Hojczyk

This is an IQ test and the answer is NO, NO, NO, NO and NO.

Any positive republican action on this would be the stupidest thing they have ever done... that is only next to supporting amnesty.

However, they do need to offer an alternative. Eliminate the protection of state insurance boards and allow sale of health insurance across state lines, tort reform and a basic standard for insurance... does this sound like German health care insurance? It should.


45 posted on 11/13/2013 10:56:26 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Hojczyk

I hate the game playing. Just permanantly destroy the individual mandate, NOW. That was Obama’s promise when he was campaigning against hillary in the primaries.


46 posted on 11/13/2013 10:58:09 AM PST by grania
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To: Hojczyk
A million times. Absolutely NO
47 posted on 11/14/2013 3:46:53 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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