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Dems double down in attack on Upton bill ["Digging in behind Obama"]
The Hill ^ | November 13, 2013 | Mike Lillis

Posted on 11/13/2013 10:06:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Democrats leaving the meeting said the administrative officials gave no details about what tweaks HHS has in mind, or when they might surface.

House Democratic leaders are doubling down in their opposition to GOP legislation allowing Americans to keep their healthcare plans, even as the party is taking a political drubbing over the contentious issue.

Although several centrist Democrats have already endorsed the Republican measure, sponsored by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.), Democratic leaders are digging in behind President Obama, who is adamantly opposed to the GOP bill.

"The Upton bill is just another attempt to undermine the Affordable Care Act. That's it. It's plain and simple," Rep. Joseph Crowley (N.Y.), vice chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, said Wednesday after a closed-door meeting of the Caucus in the Capitol. "And when my colleagues on our side understand that, I believe they'll vote against it."

"We're interested in working on anything that … improves the health security law," echoed Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.), the chairman of the Caucus. "But we're not interested in, once again, … repealing all or part of the health security law."

The comments arrive as the pressure is mounting on Obama to come up with administrative changes to the healthcare law that would allow more Americans to keep the insurance plans they currently purchase.

In the months leading up to the law's 2010 passage, Obama had promised that those who like their plans would have the option of staying in them. But in recent weeks, as the deadline for the individual insurance mandate has inched closer, millions of Americans have received cancellation notices revealing that their plans don't meet the minimum coverage criteria established by the law.

Democratic leaders have defended those dynamics, at once blaming insurance companies for offering inferior products and arguing that those who lose their current insurance will ultimately benefit by moving into more robust plans covering many more services.

"There is nothing in the Affordable Care Act that is requiring these policies to be cancelled," Becerra said. "That insurance companies are canceling health insurance policies that Americans may be holding today is the decision of those insurance companies."

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) piled on, arguing that the Upton bill would allow patients to enroll in inferior plans that the healthcare law was designed to discourage.

"They could reinstate exclusions for pre-existing conditions. They could reinstate gender ratings that would make women pay more," she said. "In other words, [it's] a bill that would allow the insurance companies to go back to their old ways."

But Republicans have pounced, and House GOP leaders have upped the pressure by scheduling a Friday vote on the Upton bill.

"The president has an opportunity over the next couple of weeks to keep his promise," Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Wednesday at a press briefing. "This is not about politics. These are about real people in our districts that are being harmed by ObamaCare."

As the story has churned countless headlines, a growing number of Democrats are also calling on the Obama administration to support a fix.

"Telling people that [these are] the worst kind of policies [that] don't cover anything does not undo the fact that it was a commitment that was made," Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) said as he left Wednesday's Caucus meeting. "The insurance companies were bound to exploit this. We knew that from the beginning."

With the House vote just two days away, many Democrats are urging the White House to come up with an administrative alternative to the Upton bill before that measure hits the floor and Democrats face pressure to back it.

Briefing the Democrats at Wednesday's Caucus meeting were David Simas, the White House deputy senior advisor for communications and strategy, and Mike Hash, director of the office of health reform at the Department of Health and Human Services.

Democrats leaving the meeting said the administrative officials gave no details about what tweaks HHS has in mind, or when they might surface.


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1 posted on 11/13/2013 10:06:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am no longer sure why the GOP does anything they do. Why are they pushing this bail out of OZeroCare?


2 posted on 11/13/2013 10:07:47 AM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If you loved the Great Society, Medicare, the 2008 Mortgage Banking Bubble, SNAP, the VA Hospital System, Vietnam, and the Global War on Terrorism...you’re gonna just LOVE obamacare and immigration reform.


3 posted on 11/13/2013 10:13:13 AM PST by lafarge (Withhold your votes!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Just vote to repeal the ACA. The public is watching and the Reps should go on record at this time of being in favor of the people. Don’t try and fix — repeal!


4 posted on 11/13/2013 10:15:47 AM PST by double_down
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good good. Please don’t try to remove your nooses, Dems.


5 posted on 11/13/2013 10:15:53 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

this won’t help.

the trainwreck has occurred and is still occurring.

if repubs do anything to ‘fix’ it, it’s literally just putting a band-aid on the currently-wrecking train.

republicans will end up owning all the failure. obama’s begging for them to do this even as he and democrats say they aren’t for this. they are already getting blame because they never voted for it and wanted it to fail from the beginning. they get blamefor doing nothing - they will get all the blame if they do something. it won’t be enough, their changes made things far worse, republican saotage, etc etc.


6 posted on 11/13/2013 10:16:45 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

sabotage, damn tablet...


7 posted on 11/13/2013 10:17:49 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

REPEAL


8 posted on 11/13/2013 10:17:50 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hope they keep digging.

Because if they pivot and suddenly agree to a postponement of the mandate or to an amendment that would allow everyone to keep their current policies, the deck could shift right under our feet.


9 posted on 11/13/2013 10:19:48 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"The Upton bill is just another attempt to undermine the Affordable Care Act. That's it. It's plain and simple,"

You say that like it's a bad thing.

10 posted on 11/13/2013 10:23:50 AM PST by arista
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“...Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.), the chairman of the Caucus. “But we’re not interested in, once again, … repealing all or part of the health security law.”

End Stage DhimmiCrap-itis. These fools cannot see any solution other than more FedGov. Don’t repeal any of it. Don’t repeal it in its entirety. Let’s legislate more; more crap, more tweaks, more ‘fixes’, more, more, more.

Disgusting. And, a very real threat to the Nation.


11 posted on 11/13/2013 10:24:29 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Although my heart goes out to people who are seriously mal-affected by this, what I hope happens is that several bills, Upton’s Landrieau’s whoever’s are introduced and Harry Reid prevents them all from moving forward OR Obama vetos them.

If the bad news keeps rolling in the Rs will take the senate next year and then it’s 2 more years of suffering until we finally get rid of Obozo. If it is bad enough (and why think otherwise at this point) even Hillary! (or whoever the D nom is) will be pledging to repeal Obamacare.

Of course, the open question is how many innocent people will actually DIE in the meantime.


12 posted on 11/13/2013 10:25:00 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

hey GOP—go for all the gusto and vote to Repeal. Worry about the replace part later on. If the BAM vetoes the bill then have an over-ride vote. That will shake out the Rats.. stop playing footsies with the rotgut Dems.. Strike while the iron is hot.


13 posted on 11/13/2013 10:27:32 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t understand how obamacare can be undermined

any more than it is.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 10:29:40 AM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Keep telling yourself:

The ENT
IRE House gets elected every 2 years....

And 1/4 of the Senate gets elected in 2014.

I predict a serious overthrow of Democrats in 2014.


15 posted on 11/13/2013 10:33:58 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Keep telling yourself:

The ENTIRE House gets elected every 2 years....

And 1/3 of the Senate gets elected in 2014.

I predict a serious overthrow of Democrats in 2014.


16 posted on 11/13/2013 10:34:20 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ex post facto laws

Can`t be done.

Let them eat their bitter fruit.

Force marxism down their throats. Let them vomit on it. Only way the low-info voter will learn, through pain and suffering by their own hands


17 posted on 11/13/2013 10:40:26 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is this the same Upton idiot that banned incandescent light bulbs?


18 posted on 11/13/2013 10:41:50 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perhaps that was the result Upton was really aiming for.


19 posted on 11/13/2013 10:43:46 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The rats broke it. The GOP should make them fix it. They didn’t want any input when it was passed and they would negotiate or delay it during the Cruz filibuster, so they can all go to hell.


20 posted on 11/13/2013 10:47:30 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"The Upton bill is just another attempt to undermine the Affordable Care Act. That's it. It's plain and simple," Rep. Joseph Crowley (N.Y.), vice chairman of the House Democratic Caucus

What's the difference between a brown-noser and a Sh!thead?

Depth perception.

21 posted on 11/13/2013 10:53:05 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Ingtar
Why are they pushing this bail out of OZeroCare?

It's not a bailout of Obamacare. It's a reversal back to how things were BEFORE Obamacare.

The Dems are scared that this will cut the ground out from under Obamacare. Good reason to support the legislation.

22 posted on 11/13/2013 10:57:44 AM PST by what's up
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To: jospehm20

Yes, it is.

This moron Upton should be canes, tarred and feathered, then run out of town on a rail.

This moron is providing cover to Obamacare. His bill gives insurers only the OPTION to keep the previous plans.... not a mandate that they keep the previous plans.

The previous plans are gone. They need to be certified by state insurance commissions to be sold. They’d need to be re-certified to be sold. That’s not going to happen overnight.

Upton should shut his soup-cooler, sit down and try to think about what he wants to accomplish. If he wants free press (which is what it appears he wants), then he should simply walk into traffic in front of a TV station and cause a major accident and provide some of his own blood for the headlines and leading story.


23 posted on 11/13/2013 11:01:01 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

With a little luck, the Dems will save the Pubs from themselves on this.


24 posted on 11/13/2013 11:01:08 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: what's up

No, it is NOT a reversal to how things were before Obamacare.

It would be a halfway state of idiotic confusion.

His bill makes about as much sense as teats on a bull.


25 posted on 11/13/2013 11:01:40 AM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Teats on a bull are important... if the bull doesn’t have them, his female offspring won’t either.

:-)


26 posted on 11/13/2013 11:03:45 AM PST by bosshog (The Dragon Lady isn't fast but she flies really HIGH!)
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To: what's up; Secret Agent Man

Please see post 6. It was explained better there than I could do in the time I have.


27 posted on 11/13/2013 11:06:57 AM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: NVDave
No, it is NOT a reversal to how things were before Obamacare

It will be for those people who would regain their private policies.

Any reversal is a good thing. And it chips away at the credibility of Obamacare which is why the Dems are afraid of the legislation.

28 posted on 11/13/2013 11:09:18 AM PST by what's up
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To: Ingtar

that WAS my post. :-)


29 posted on 11/13/2013 11:10:19 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: NVDave
They’d need to be re-certified to be sold. That’s not going to happen overnight.

Who said anything about overnight?

However, there's nothing to prevent the insurance commissioners from fast-tracking the process.

The Dems are terrified because the GOP will be seen as helping these people out of an Obamacare jam which the Democrats got them into.

30 posted on 11/13/2013 11:14:29 AM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

The vast majority of people who have had a plan cancelled aren’t going to get it back, even with this legislation.

All this legislation does is attach the GOP “name” to the failure of Obamacare.

Sorry to say, but the American public voted for this. There’s going to be lots of collateral damage, but the GOP should stand back and watch the collapse of 20th century liberalism and not offer to save it.

By allowing this to fail and fail spectacularly, people will see that Sugar Daddy Government won’t work. They’ll finally get engaged, even if for a short time, and realize that the math in these schemes never works.

When you’re enemy has decided to sit down, pour a can of gasoline over his head and strike a match, you should simply watch him burn. Do not use it as an opportunity to piss on him and be called a hero.


31 posted on 11/13/2013 11:22:32 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Secret Agent Man

I was quoting you, so pinged you as a courtesy. :)


32 posted on 11/13/2013 11:23:45 AM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: what's up

The Democrats are terrified because they know that unless they can force people into their plans, the internal mathematics of the plans collapse, like a building with no lower story, it will just pancake down into it’s own basement.

Do not get stuck in this tar pit in any way. Do not try to make it work. Let it fail. Use it as an opportunity to teach people why these schemes never work.


33 posted on 11/13/2013 11:24:15 AM PST by NVDave
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To: what's up
It's not a bailout of Obamacare. It's a reversal back to how things were BEFORE Obamacare.

I don't know that I necessarily agree. As the Law still contains the provision that the Insurance Industry pool having a cost over run of over 103% is going to be paid back by the HHS in an administrative function of the law itself, we can expect the debacle in pricing this roll back to now be paid for by the tax payer.

As the law already has this provision set up, it won't take an extra appropration, IMHO. HHS will just give the insurance industry billions to pay for the Democrats over promising what they never intended to provide.

This huge cost will then be attached to Republican Upton's bill and we will share the blame.

So if this thing causes a ten percet over-run of the trillion in insurance it a a hundred billion hit to our spending.

34 posted on 11/13/2013 11:25:19 AM PST by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.h)
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To: NVDave

You are right on target. See my point at #34.


35 posted on 11/13/2013 11:26:59 AM PST by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.h)
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To: Ingtar

yeah i figured that outafter seeing the other names, i am not used to being quoted/pinged... lol :-)


36 posted on 11/13/2013 11:31:09 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: NVDave
All this legislation does is attach the GOP “name” to the failure of Obamacare.

No, the GOP name will be attached to legislation that made an attempt to deliver people from the sorry effects of Obamacare. You've got it backwards.

As an added benefit, the legislation also allows those who don't currently have policies to buy into these older policies (mandates not required). LOL. That's going to cause some serious angst for the Demoncrats.

37 posted on 11/13/2013 11:36:32 AM PST by what's up
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Repeal, no compromise


38 posted on 11/13/2013 11:39:16 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: NVDave
The Democrats are terrified because they know that unless they can force people into their plans, the internal mathematics of the plans collapse,

Exactly. So the Upton legislation does NOT force people into their plans as the Democrats want. It allows people to have policies without the stinking Democrat mandates.

They do NOT want the Upton legislation. Obama is adamantly against it which is another sterling point in its favor.

39 posted on 11/13/2013 11:40:13 AM PST by what's up
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To: TigersEye

“Only 5 Million” people want to hang their congresscritters and Sinators.


40 posted on 11/13/2013 11:41:36 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: what's up

No, it won’t.

All Upton’s bill does is give insurance companies the OPTION to continue policies.

It delivers no benefit. There isn’t even an attempt to actually reverse the current situation. It just says “Well, you don’t HAVE to cancel the non-conforming plans.”

They’re already scheduled for cancellation or are cancelled. It’s a done deal. The time for this bill would have been about 10 months ago. The horse not only has left the barn, he’s out of the paddock, on the interstate and is about to be hit by a Peterbilt. It is a little late to be spending money on a new door latch.


41 posted on 11/13/2013 11:42:56 AM PST by NVDave
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To: ridesthemiles

much better correction, if 93 million lose their policies by this time next year, I predict dems will lose more than their jobs and power in DC.


42 posted on 11/13/2013 11:43:54 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: CPT Clay

So far.


43 posted on 11/13/2013 11:43:55 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: what's up

The Upton bill provides for a POSSIBLE bifurcation in the insurance market. POSSIBLE.

But it won’t make it happen. And it won’t happen.

As it is, the Obamacare numbers will add up to a huge, crushing defeat for the Democrats a year from now. Get out of the way and allow that to happen.


44 posted on 11/13/2013 11:44:13 AM PST by NVDave
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To: CPT Clay

Exactly.

This has the potential to turn into a historic repudiation of liberals’ ideas that the government can do anything and everything.


45 posted on 11/13/2013 11:45:01 AM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave
Well, you don’t HAVE to cancel the non-conforming plans.” They’re already scheduled for cancellation or are cancelled

Yes, and I would guess many of the insurance companies will want to re-instate because they're losing out on premiums.

We all understand they're scheduled for cancellation. That's obvious. This legislation allows for that to be reversed something which can happen with the cooperation of Congress, the insurance companies, and the insurance commissioners within the states.

46 posted on 11/13/2013 11:50:09 AM PST by what's up
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To: NVDave
Get out of the way and allow that to happen

It is already going to happen. And the GOP helping millions of people is going to gain many more votes for our side.

47 posted on 11/13/2013 11:51:59 AM PST by what's up
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48 posted on 11/13/2013 12:12:14 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: KC Burke

I did hear that they have the authority to pay off the Insurance companies, but Congress has to approve the actual funds release. However, that is how it used to work, but the Constitution is just a piece of paper anymore so who knows.


49 posted on 11/13/2013 12:21:40 PM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Secret Agent Man

The ping and quote is a courtesy that used to be common, just like when you mention someone’s name.


50 posted on 11/13/2013 12:42:15 PM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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