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Itís a Trap! ( GOP to save Obama )
http://www.redstate.com ^ | November 13th, 2013 | By: Erick Erickson

Posted on 11/13/2013 10:32:38 AM PST by Para-Ord.45

Republicans are walking into a trap and they don’t even realize it.

They are about to consider, in the House of Representatives, legislation by Congressman Upton that would allow people to keep their insurance plans.

There’s a problem though. It is widely acknowledged that Congressman Upton’s legislation is more messaging than substance. His legislation does not have anything in it that can force insurance companies, in the topsy-turvy world of Obamacare, to keep insurance plans going.

But there is a plan than does. Senator Mary Landrieu has written legislation in the United States Senate that the Democrats love. It mandates insurance companies have to keep people on their present insurance. The GOP is supposedly against mandates and against government forcing private businesses and individuals into contracts they don’t want.

Here’s what is going to happen.

The House, with the help of a good number of Democrats, will pass the Upton plan and send it to the Senate. Harry Reid will substitute the Landrieu plan and send it back to the House. The House will be forced to either vote for the Landrieu plan or be characterized as siding with insurance companies against people.

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.

The GOP is walking right into the trap.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; US: Louisiana; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; deathpanels; diannefeinstein; fredupton; louisiana; marylandrieu; michigan; obamacare; zerocare
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1 posted on 11/13/2013 10:32:38 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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2 posted on 11/13/2013 10:34:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Maybe just once the GOP could try telling American voters the truth? Just for the hell of it?

The truth is on our side here, we gain nothing from perpetuating this bullsh*t scam on the American people. There is no “Keeping Your Plan” anymore. That train has long since left the station. The only thing that anything short of total repeal of the ACA is going to accomplish is to help Democrats in the 2014 election.


3 posted on 11/13/2013 10:38:53 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: Para-Ord.45
No, it's not a trap, it's...
The Tao of Republican Orthodoxy!
4 posted on 11/13/2013 10:39:14 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Landrieu, Feinstein and all the other so-called "progressive" regressives simply don't understand the real problem though:

The problem is that the "fix" just involves more coercive intrusion on the rights of individuals, on intrusion into and distortion of the insurance marketplace, on the future quality and proliferation of health care providers, and the damaging impact that their own regressive and arrogant assumptions is having on real individual American citizens and their families.

Just who do the Clintons, the Obamas, the Landrieu's, the Feinsteins--no matter how good they believe their intentions are--believe they are? That great intellectual freedom fighter, Author of the Declaration of Independence, and former President may have, inadvertently, identified them in the following quotation:

"The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately." —Thomas Jefferson

5 posted on 11/13/2013 10:39:17 AM PST by loveliberty2
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6 posted on 11/13/2013 10:41:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Para-Ord.45
They don't care. They know it all right. They just don't care.

Kabuki Theater. Sit back and enjoy the show ! God knows you've paid for it.

7 posted on 11/13/2013 10:41:31 AM PST by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe (yup, I belong))
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To: Para-Ord.45

This has all the earmarks of a deal the RINO party just CAN’T resist.

Only a fool would expect them to resist.
We are not foolish men/women
Therefor, we do not expect them to resist.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 10:43:17 AM PST by GilesB
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To: Para-Ord.45; All

If Obama’s Socialized Health Insurance Tax has little or no chance of financial success in 5 years, then why do Federal politicians in “both” political parties try to replace instead of ABOLISH Obamacare?


9 posted on 11/13/2013 10:43:31 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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Don't shoot! Let 'em BURN!

10 posted on 11/13/2013 10:43:33 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

If Boner could barrow a spine and do a news conference. He should say,

“Because Obamacare was shoved downs our throats and the SCOTUS upheld it, we have been trying to fix it. There are no good fixes for this. It’s like trying to get a plane to fly without wings. Before it’s too late, we need to repeal the whole bill and start over. That’s what the House of Reps will now support. Nothing else will legally fix this.”


11 posted on 11/13/2013 10:44:12 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals want to be eaten last. I don't want to be eaten at all!)
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To: loveliberty2
One other thought: lest the Democrats who laid this oppressive legislation on the nation by their votes now claim that they did it to "help" us and it is just "not working" as they intended, let them consider the words of C. S. Lewis about "moral busybodies" who use the coercive power of government to "do" their good:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C. S. Lewis

12 posted on 11/13/2013 10:45:20 AM PST by loveliberty2
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13 posted on 11/13/2013 10:45:41 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: cripplecreek

In negotiating, the Republican Party never fails to provide an opening— while bending over.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 10:45:41 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Jim Noble

What Does Let It Burn Mean?

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/335557.php


15 posted on 11/13/2013 10:46:17 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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I wish a responsible rep. would step up and say; "look, we don't want it to work, because it will be worse for all Americans if it does. It will destroy our freedoms, it will turn us into chattel, it will destroy this country forever".

I am glad its failing and I hope the disaster speeds up.

16 posted on 11/13/2013 10:46:39 AM PST by Pietro
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The GOP should not agree to anything unless Obama reverses his stand and restores the $16 trillion debt limit. Since he would never do that because it requires real spending cuts, let him burn in Hell the next three years over Obamacare.


17 posted on 11/13/2013 10:46:46 AM PST by kaehurowing
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To: loveliberty2

That`s just it.

Both plans are ex post facto laws therefore, unlawful .

It is retroactive coercion.

It is more marxism, not less.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 10:47:45 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL!!!


19 posted on 11/13/2013 10:48:53 AM PST by Zathras
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To: onona

Nuff Said, Period.. (or does “period” now reduce my intent?)


20 posted on 11/13/2013 10:51:01 AM PST by WorksinKOP
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21 posted on 11/13/2013 10:54:07 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

*sigh*

when all the dust clears the Republicans will get the blame for people losing their current plans.


22 posted on 11/13/2013 10:54:38 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
The GOP should just tell the Dems to fix the mess they created and step away.

In reality there is no "fix," mandated or not. The policies have already been cancelled, the damage already done. The insurers have already re-written their policies to comply with Obamacare. It's too late to do anything else.

23 posted on 11/13/2013 10:55:20 AM PST by colorado tanker
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BINGO!

The Dems are trying to ASSOCIATE REPUBLICANS WITH OBAMACARE by luring them into 'fixing' it, which is de facto SUPPORTING IT.

Heads up, Republicans! Leave it be. Don't touch it!

24 posted on 11/13/2013 10:55:30 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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25 posted on 11/13/2013 10:55:31 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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26 posted on 11/13/2013 10:58:12 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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Personally, I thing the trap is that any plan to pass "if you like it you can keep it" is now doomed to failure and will only provide Obama with cover. Millions have already lost their coverage. The insurance companies have killed off entire plan structures. Do they think they can force them to go back and recreate plans they've eliminated? Send out thousands and thousands of "nevermind" letters?

If a bill likes this passes, and the insurance companies are unable to reoffer cancelled plans, it will be they who are blamed for the losses. Obama will be able to weather the storm of his blatant lies as MSM coverage will shift. It will get the dems off the hook.

At the very worst, it will allow republicans to join in with a very active role in this absolute debacle. Please just let the entire darn thing collapse.
27 posted on 11/13/2013 10:58:25 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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But there is a plan than does.

Wrong, Eric Eric. The government can't force the insurance companies to restore the plans they've already cancelled.

28 posted on 11/13/2013 10:58:38 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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Why not? The government is the one who forced insurance companies to cancel people’s plans in the first place!


29 posted on 11/13/2013 11:03:56 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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Check out post #27.


30 posted on 11/13/2013 11:05:41 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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31 posted on 11/13/2013 11:06:20 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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Insist on repeal, or at least defunding. Making the people live with Obamacare is immoral.

However, if they delay the mandate a year and put the to-be-cancelled plans back in place, what that does is to push the cancellations in the individual market back a year, to join the cancellations in the small and big business markets to the fall of 2014 — right in the homestretch of the election campaign.


32 posted on 11/13/2013 11:12:08 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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First thing I thought of when I saw the title of the article. Thanks for posting.


33 posted on 11/13/2013 11:14:19 AM PST by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: Junk Silver

“Maybe just once the GOP could try telling American voters the truth?”

They could join with senators Cruz and Lee in a filibuster, but that might set their “friends” to calling them names. Can’t have that!

Oh, and they’d also have to apologize and admit that Ted Cruz has been right all along.

Nope. Get ready for Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the old football trick.


34 posted on 11/13/2013 11:15:06 AM PST by Heart of Georgia
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Starring Elijah Cummings....


35 posted on 11/13/2013 11:19:45 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: Para-Ord.45
But there is a plan than does. Senator Mary Landrieu has written legislation in the United States Senate that the Democrats love. It mandates insurance companies have to keep people on their present insurance.

Helping them put these companies out of business even faster than originally planned, hello single-payer.

36 posted on 11/13/2013 11:21:12 AM PST by GeronL
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The author is dumb if he thinks the GOPe doesn’t realize it.


37 posted on 11/13/2013 11:21:46 AM PST by GeronL
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38 posted on 11/13/2013 11:27:02 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

The next time we hear a Democrat saying that Republicans are stupid, let’s remember that such an opinion has a foundation in reality.


39 posted on 11/13/2013 11:28:18 AM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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LOL!!!


40 posted on 11/13/2013 11:30:20 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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“The House, with the help of a good number of Democrats, will pass the Upton plan and send it to the Senate”

That would be a big mistake. House/GOP should not pass anything associated with ‘fixing’ this mess.

You’re right - it is a trap - either way - Republicans lose.

The only way out is for all pubs to vote ‘Present’

details here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3090824/posts?page=15


41 posted on 11/13/2013 11:37:29 AM PST by privatedrive
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Boehner put these worthless men in their committee chairmanships. They are his tools. Boehner needs to be reomoved so Upton can be removed. We can never make any decent chess moves with these people. And it’s intentional.


42 posted on 11/13/2013 11:44:45 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Para-Ord.45

This is entirely the Democrats. They own it 100%.

Don’t go near it. Don’t offer any help. Just stay out of their way and watch the burning dopes flail about.


43 posted on 11/13/2013 11:45:09 AM PST by Ray76
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To: GeronL

Democrat Sen. Reid gutted H.R. 3590 and replaced it with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Stupid Party (GOP) is as Stupid Party does.


44 posted on 11/13/2013 11:50:08 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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Boehner is a big big part of the problem. He’s a Rat mole.


45 posted on 11/13/2013 11:52:38 AM PST by Ray76
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Keep up the good work, Republicrats.

When the people, like me, realize that Upton and many others, are complicit in the scheme to save this huge travesty they will be helping to bury the nation as well as the Republican Party.


46 posted on 11/13/2013 11:57:47 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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Okay, it might be ‘a trap’ of sorts - but said trap will only destroy Obamacare by triggering a Death Spiral and force Obama to bail out the InsCos that are in Obamacare.

I’m not so sure Reid will switch the bill though, is he really willing to undercut Obama?

The Dem plan is great no matter as it’s the first official sign of Obama possibly being tossed over the side the boat by a currently forming Clinton Coalition. More and more Dems sign on and who knows how far down the road it goes.

Also, I would also point out that the Rep bill apparently allows InsCos to offer the plans they used to offer... to anyone! That isn’t quit a empty bill that won’t do much; it would effectively repeal Obamacares coverage mandate


47 posted on 11/13/2013 12:13:59 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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if they do this they will own it. dems will hang all its failures on repubs. upton is either an effing idiot or secret democrat plant.


48 posted on 11/13/2013 12:16:10 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

One thing you can count on from the GOP. They know how to seize defeat
from the jaws of victory.


49 posted on 11/13/2013 3:52:36 PM PST by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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The whole mess is just that a mess but a mess by design.

I have no doubt the more the demodummies try to “fix” odumbocare, it becomes that more confusing. Sooner or later the bastardized “plan” will have become soooooooo confusing, the Repubs will give up trying to resolve the unresolvable and roll over. Its time to repeal the whole damn thing and get it over with.

50 posted on 11/13/2013 4:15:24 PM PST by DaveA37
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