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House Dems about to 'go crazy'
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Posted on 11/13/2013 12:50:11 PM PST by Sub-Driver

November 13, 2013, 02:39 pm House Dems about to 'go crazy'

By Mike Lillis and Justin Sink

House Democrats on Wednesday expressed increasing frustration at the Obama administration’s inability to improve the rollout of ObamaCare.

Democrats said they’re worried about "being dragged into this non-stop cycle" of bad news about the ObamaCare rollout, rather than celebrating the successes of the law they helped to pass, a Democratic aide said.

"They're voicing those frustrations with the administration," the aide said following a Democratic Caucus meeting where administration officials got an earful from exasperated lawmakers. ADVERTISEMENT With the House vote just two days away, many Democrats are urging the White House to come up with an administrative alternative to legislation sponsored by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) that would allow insurance companies to offer their old insurance plans.

The GOP bill is a response to the nearly 5 million people who have seen their health plans canceled under ObamaCare.

Two centrist Democrats — Reps. John Barrow (Ga.) and Mike McIntyre (N.C.) — already have endorsed the Upton measure, but that number could rise if the bill comes up for a vote without a Democratic alternative providing some political cover.

A second Democratic aide warned that if the administration doesn't provide such a substitute by Friday, many members will "go crazy.”

White House press secretary Jay Carney on Wednesday said President Obama would announce “sooner rather than later” his proposed fix for those who have lost their health insurance because of ObamaCare.

“You can expect a decision from him and announcement from him sooner rather than later on options that we can take to address the problem that we've been discussing here with regards to those individuals who have had their individual insurance plans canceled because of the transition to the Affordable Care Act marketplaces,” Carney said.

Separately, the White House spokesman said Obama had personally been consulting with lawmakers on Capitol Hill about tweaks to his signature healthcare bill.

“The president does want to and is discussing with lawmakers the way we can make improvements to the program,” Carney said.

But Carney said that the White House was still wary of Upton’s bill.

House Democrats were briefed at their Wednesday caucus meeting by David Simas, the White House deputy senior adviser for communications and strategy, and Mike Hash, director of the Office of Health Reform at the Department of Health and Human Services.

Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) said the officials provided no hints as to what tweaks the administration is considering, or when they might surface. But the disgruntled message from Democrats, he added, was perfectly clear.

“They heard our caucus,” Pascrell said. “I wouldn't say [it was] heated, but very specific. In this business, you keep your word or get out.”

Meeting the press after Wednesday's meeting, Democratic leaders downplayed the friction between House Democrats and the administration on the ObamaCare rollout. But they also acknowledged the unrest among many in the caucus.

“We're Democrats and we're very passionate, especially when it comes to the issue of the Affordable Care Act,” Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.) said. “There have been some frustrations about the rollout, but the reality is this is an enormous, an enormous, undertaking.”

Pascrell said the burden falls squarely on the shoulders of Democrats to fix the law they championed.

“We've worked too hard to get this passed, and in good conscience, we have to deliver to the American people,” he said. “I don't want to hear about the Republicans exploiting this. They're going to exploit every chance that they have. They didn't cause this particular problem. And so what I'm saying is that we'd better come up with an option or an alternative to Mr. Upton.” The Upton bill remained a topic of discussion after the meeting. Riding in a crowded elevator up to the House floor, Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) asked Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.), a fiscally conservative Blue Dog, whether he would be voting for the bill. "I don't think so," Cooper replied. Moran then said, "I'm really torn up over this." He later told reporters that he would not be voting for the bill but wouldn't whip his colleagues against it.

Upton's legislation would allow the health insurance industry to continue offering bare-bones plans that existed before the beginning of this calendar year, even if they do not satisfy the minimum coverage requirements mandated by the Affordable Care Act.

Supporters of ObamaCare have expressed concern that the plan would undermine healthcare reform because the younger, healthier consumers who are needed to keep premiums down would opt for cheaper plans rather than the fuller coverage offered on the ObamaCare exchanges. In turn, premiums would shoot up for sicker and older enrollees.

“We don't believe that proposed legislation that actually causes more problems than it fixes are the right way to go,” Carney said.

A similar bill championed by Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) in the Senate has garnered support from other influential Democrats. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Tuesday said she would sign on to Landrieu's effort.

The House would be open to considering a Democratic-sponsored bill to fix ObamaCare, if the Senate can pass it, a key GOP lawmaker said on Wednesday.

Upton on Wednesday suggested the House could vote on Landrieu's bill, which would require insurance companies to offer the old plans.

"We wanted to pass a bill with bipartisan support — that's what the goal is, if [the Senate] can pass something, more power to them — let's fix the problem," Upton told a gaggle of reporters.

Yet some conservatives have expressed opposition to the Landrieu bill, which would impose requirements on private companies.

"Government can't be mandating that businesses must sell a certain product," Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) said. "This is not the Soviet Union."

—Russell Berman and Molly K. Hooper contributed to this story.

This story was updated at 3:02 p.m.


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1 posted on 11/13/2013 12:50:11 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Landrieu, Feinstein, Hagan and all the other so-called "progressive" regressives who propose a "fix" in order to save political "seats" simply don't understand the real problem though:

The problem is that the "fix" just involves more coercive intrusion on the rights of individuals, on intrusion into and distortion of the insurance marketplace, on the future quality and proliferation of health care providers, and the damaging impact that their own regressive and arrogant assumptions is having on real individual American citizens and their families.

Just who do the Clintons, the Obamas, the Landrieus, the Feinsteins and all "progressives"--no matter how good they believe their intentions are--believe they are? That great intellectual freedom fighter, Author of the Declaration of Independence, and former President may have, inadvertently, identified them in the following quotation:

"The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately." —Thomas Jefferson

One other thought: lest the Democrats who laid this oppressive legislation on the nation by their votes now claim that they did it to "help" us and it is just "not working" as they intended, let them consider the words of C. S. Lewis about "moral busybodies" who use the coercive power of government to "do" their good:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C. S. Lewis

2 posted on 11/13/2013 12:51:58 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Sub-Driver
We're Democrats and we're very passionate, especially when it comes to the issue of the Affordable Care Act,” Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.) said

Yeah, passionate about a law you never read & voted for any way. GFY!

3 posted on 11/13/2013 12:52:07 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Sub-Driver
...rather than celebrating the successes of the law they helped to pass...

Celebration of what? Million reduced to part-time work? Millions more thrown out of a job? Millions paying skyrocketing health care costs, if they can get it?

Boy, these Marxists never change. I'm certain Pol Pot supporters were looking at the bright side too!

4 posted on 11/13/2013 12:53:11 PM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Sub-Driver

First of all, this is just another example of magical thinking by the Dems. They want to make all of this just “unhappen” because they’re so stupid they honestly think that they can just wave their magic wand and things will go back to being as they were.

Don’t they realize that the insurance companies have entered into new agreements with providers, that an entirely new structure has been set up, and that they can’t just magically back-track? But since most Dem legislators (or legislators in general) have absolutely no business or professional experience, they think all that is necessary is for the government to give a few more orders and it will all be restored.


5 posted on 11/13/2013 12:54:47 PM PST by livius
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To: Obadiah

Successes? Hey, your kids can stay infantile and glued to Mommy & Daddy until age 26! Isn’t that a success?


6 posted on 11/13/2013 12:55:01 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It appears it’s not just until age 26.
Those ads are targeted at all young hedonists -

“act as irresponsibly as you want, there will be no consequences, because ‘you got insurance’”.


7 posted on 11/13/2013 12:56:10 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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All you nervous Dem politicians, you’re Marxists now. Enjoy the consequences of your liberty-damning votes.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 12:56:31 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Given that LIBs are all insane, how can they be "about to go crazy"? Liberalism IS a mental illness.
9 posted on 11/13/2013 12:57:29 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Sub-Driver

If the poor Democrats are screwed by this law, they screwed themselves.

F ‘em all. the long the short and the tall, male and female alike.


10 posted on 11/13/2013 12:57:42 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: livius
Don’t they realize that the insurance companies have entered into new agreements with providers, that an entirely new structure has been set up, and that they can’t just magically back-track? But since most Dem legislators (or legislators in general) have absolutely no business or professional experience, they think all that is necessary is for the government to give a few more orders and it will all be restored.

I agree with you on all that - then why are there idiot Republicans introducing bills to allow insurance companies to roll it back?! The insurance companies won't of course, and then the GOP is a new part owner of the mess.

The GOP has to go Pontius Pilate on all of this.

11 posted on 11/13/2013 12:58:58 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: loveliberty2

Hey dems, you lived with the Turd-in-Chief...now you smell like the Turd-in-Chief.

You’ve known all along that he was 1) totally unqualified to even flip burgers, 2) doesn’t have the brainpower of the first Apple computer, and 3) has the morality of a Clinton.

Face it, dorks, your guy is a cretin. And you’re gonna pay for it.

Eat s**t and die.


12 posted on 11/13/2013 12:59:12 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Sub-Driver

13 posted on 11/13/2013 12:59:14 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Sub-Driver
“They heard our caucus,” Pascrell said. “I wouldn't say [it was] heated, but very specific. In this business, you keep your word or get out.”

Lol, best laugh of the day.

14 posted on 11/13/2013 12:59:19 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Sub-Driver

Democrats being driven crazy by Obamacare failures?

Gives social justice a new meaning. Hoo. Ray.


15 posted on 11/13/2013 1:01:16 PM PST by Toucan Dance
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To: facedown
Lol, best laugh of the day.

From a New Jersey Democratic Politician no less!

16 posted on 11/13/2013 1:01:24 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: DannyTN

I guess the Dems are pretty pissed that their bonus checks are delayed until they get the minimum number of fleecees enrolled into the system...


17 posted on 11/13/2013 1:01:38 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Sub-Driver

Upton is a sucker.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 1:02:08 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Sub-Driver

Then they shouldn’t have voted for this job-killing freedom-robbing abortion! And they can all go to hell AFAIC.


19 posted on 11/13/2013 1:03:30 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Democrats said they’re worried about "being dragged into this non-stop cycle" of bad news about the ObamaCare rollout, rather than celebrating the successes of the law they helped to pass, a Democratic aide said.

Are not these the same people who blindly passed the Affordable Care Act, without reading the thousands of pages, without vetting the law, without hearing from the affected population?

Democrats are a part of the roll-out. They just want to somehow placate the people and keep them from complaining until after the next election cycle. They are screaming for that kind of action rather than actually looking into and repealing this unfair and unworkable law, and replacing it with something that makes sense.

20 posted on 11/13/2013 1:03:47 PM PST by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: Sub-Driver
"...dragged into this non-stop cycle" of bad news ..."

Ha. Ha. Ha. You were warned. Back when the House Blue Dogs were doing their tortured soul act about whether to vote "no" on ObamaCare this was posted at FR:



That day has arrived.

21 posted on 11/13/2013 1:03:53 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Sub-Driver
Attention Capitol police....House Dems about to 'go crazy'....bring tie wraps and 5150 forms.....and you would also be advised to rent some additional holding pens for those afflicted.
22 posted on 11/13/2013 1:04:39 PM PST by spokeshave (Obamacare is planned, just like the planned famine by the Russians to eliminate the Ukrainians.)
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23 posted on 11/13/2013 1:06:53 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: spokeshave

All I want to know is if the rats kill this thing will Lil Debbie say they are running on Obamacare in 2014?


24 posted on 11/13/2013 1:07:15 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: Sub-Driver

Well then, they ought to get ‘crazy checks’ from the government........assuming they can sign up on the government’s website!............................


25 posted on 11/13/2013 1:07:21 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Sub-Driver
Hey Repubs... if you try to help fix it, you'll share the blame for its' failure.

Sit on your hands and let the fool Democrats' incompetence shine... They are destroying themselves with this, do NOT get in their way.

26 posted on 11/13/2013 1:07:42 PM PST by Kenton
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To: spokeshave

They are going to blame Bart Stupak for this. If he voted no, tis never would have happened.


27 posted on 11/13/2013 1:08:39 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: Sub-Driver

“They heard our caucus,” Pascrell said. “I wouldn’t say [it was] heated, but very specific. In this business, you keep your word or get out.”

Not Heated? I vote for GET OUT!


28 posted on 11/13/2013 1:08:41 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Sub-Driver

It is the culture of the Dem party to aschew economics, believe in the bottomless wealth of the rich, and know with certainty that insurance companies, big oil, and corporations are evil and the true sources of most citizens’ problems.

However, these are fantastical theories unrelated to the real world.

In the real world, programs cost everyone real money. Actions have costs and are not entirely benefit. Once you do something you think is good, you must actually carry it out and do the hard work of both paying for it and making it succeed. These Democrat politicians simply wanted to do something for pure ideological reasons and really believed it would be a glorious success that showered acclaim on each of them while causing the insurance companies to wither into smoky grease spots and the wealthy to shrug while admitting they are greedy and shelling out a bit of money to help all the little people. The Dems are hopelessly ignorant of economics and complex systems.

And, if they could, they would now write and pass a bill that stated, simple, “It is fixed”. Such a bill would match the level of understanding they have of this whole mess and make them feel good again.


29 posted on 11/13/2013 1:11:08 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Sub-Driver
They were warned.

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Mark Schauer was thrown out of office in 2010.
30 posted on 11/13/2013 1:11:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Stupak was well paid for his vote with a full partnership with the premier DC lobbying firm of Venable LLP

The Honorable Bart Stupak Partner
31 posted on 11/13/2013 1:14:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mmichaels1970
Upton is demented.

He thinks he knows better what you need than you do.

32 posted on 11/13/2013 1:16:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Sub-Driver

obamacare is not going to fail. The pubbies won’t let it! Refusing to fund this monstrosity before it was rolled out was the only way to stop this nightmare. From now on the pubbies will be 100% on board and will either come up with or will endorse a legislative’fix’ to every ‘glitch’ that comes up. It will be repealed right after we repeal Medicare and Medicaid, or Social Security, Or Medicare Plan D RX, or any other federal entitlement program.


33 posted on 11/13/2013 1:16:48 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: cripplecreek
"Mr. Stupak developed a deep understanding of issues that directly affected his constituents, including matters related to energy, healthcare, telecommunications and international trade. As an attorney at Venable, he is in a unique position to provide clients with well-informed, extensive counsel that is based on a thorough knowledge of these industries and related legislation."

Uh, OK.....

34 posted on 11/13/2013 1:18:25 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Areas of Practice

Legislative and Government Affairs
Healthcare
Banking and Financial Services Regulation
Congressional Investigations
Energy
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Anti-Money Laundering


35 posted on 11/13/2013 1:19:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sub-Driver

That’s not covered under Obamacare.

Pray America is Waking Up


36 posted on 11/13/2013 1:25:35 PM PST by bray (Delay Obamacare)
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To: Sub-Driver
“they’re worried about “being dragged into this non-stop cycle”

Well, Unnamed Democrat JERK, you dragged the American people into this non-stop cycle of crap so deal with it!

37 posted on 11/13/2013 1:28:29 PM PST by kcvl
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To: dead
The GOP has to go Pontius Pilate on all of this.

Spot on! The only GOP "offer" should be complete repeal.

38 posted on 11/13/2013 1:30:39 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Sub-Driver
The House would be open to considering a Democratic-sponsored bill to fix ObamaCare, if the Senate can pass it

The laws of systemantics that a complicated and complex system that isn't working cannot be "made" to work. Pushing on the system just makes things worse by generating new problems and unexpected outcomes.And the new system will tend to oppose its own proper function, because it does not do what it says it is doing. The total behavior of a large complex system cannot be predicted.It is better to start over beginning with a working simple system.

39 posted on 11/13/2013 1:31:52 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: pgkdan
Needs repeating......loudly

obamacare is not going to fail. The pubbies won’t let it! Refusing to fund this monstrosity before it was rolled out was the only way to stop this nightmare. From now on the pubbies will be 100% on board and will either come up with or will endorse a legislative’fix’ to every ‘glitch’ that comes up.


40 posted on 11/13/2013 1:33:04 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Sub-Driver

No matter what, Obama and the Democrats will never vote to approve any bill that originates by any Republican. Period.


41 posted on 11/13/2013 1:36:51 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Democrats said they’re worried about "being dragged into this non-stop cycle" of bad news about the ObamaCare rollout, rather than celebrating the successes of the law they helped to pass, a Democratic aide said.

This has got to be an example of attempting to describe how you pick up shit from the "clean" end!!! These idiots actually BELIEVE their own talking points - that should just scare the shit (clean or other) out of EVERYBODY!!!
42 posted on 11/13/2013 1:39:29 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Sub-Driver


43 posted on 11/13/2013 1:39:41 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Sub-Driver

Now that the Dems have committed the crime they want to involve others. NO!


44 posted on 11/13/2013 1:43:38 PM PST by Ray76
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I wonder if a-holes are faking that they think BOzoCare is going to be good or if they’re actually so ignorant about what’s in the bill that they believe the only thing holding back the flow of milk and honey is a crappy website? In short, are they devious a-holes or ignorant a-holes?

I hope they’re just being devious a-holes because I’d find it more depressing that so many people in position of power could be that ignorant. In theory, maybe some threat could happen where they’d stop being devious but no threat could stop them from being ignorant.


45 posted on 11/13/2013 1:43:40 PM PST by Hayride
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To: Sub-Driver
"Never interrupt your enemy while he is in the process of destroying himself" - Napoleon

The Republicans need to drag their feet on this as long as possible. Find procedural ways to drag this out, demand that the Democrats introduce a bill since they are solely responsible for this debacle, then find and loudly announce major issues with that alternate bill.

Hey - I can dream, can't I?

46 posted on 11/13/2013 1:44:22 PM PST by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
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To: dead

The GOP should have an alternative bill in hand and demand nothing less than repeal and replace. Every tweak to Obamacare just creates a new Frankenstein full of more unintended consequences.


47 posted on 11/13/2013 1:46:43 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: loveliberty2
Democrats said they’re worried about "being dragged into this non-stop cycle" of bad news about the ObamaCare rollout, rather than celebrating the successes of the law they helped to pass, a Democratic aide said.

Whiskey Tango??

WHAT successes do they have to celebrate? Name one.

HELPED to pass? You b@$t@rds passed it without a SINGLE Republican vote. Own it.

48 posted on 11/13/2013 1:46:58 PM PST by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
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To: loveliberty2

Go crazy = short trip


49 posted on 11/13/2013 1:48:15 PM PST by oldsicilian
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To: Sub-Driver

The good news would be if they responded to something that made them go sane.


50 posted on 11/13/2013 1:52:14 PM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44 (22 Yr, Navy Vet))
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