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Posted on 11/13/2013 1:12:32 PM PST by jazusamo
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RUSH: I got Fox on now and I'm seeing Geraldo Rivera, so I'm thinking somebody died 'cause that's when they trot him out from the formaldehyde, is when somebody's died. He's the Grim Reaper. But it's not. Geraldo's talking about some top Senate Democrat. I don't know the name, doesn't matter. There's 12 of 'em, now joining the push to let Americans keep their health plans. Folks, you can't.
I'm gonna get blue in the face here. They can't reinstitute that. We had yesterday, there was a story in The Politico, and one of the architects, a man named Jonathan Gruber, made the point. It was a huge El Rushbo See, I Told You So. You can't roll back and give people the plans that they had 'cause those plans are gone. The insurance companies had to get rid of them because they didn't comply with Obamacare.
Just one example is all this contraception, like in the ad we're talking about. Every policy now provides for that kind of thing, that most people aren't gonna use or don't care to have insurance cover because they'll buy it themselves. Obama, in order to get the young Millennial female vote, mandates that every policy cover contraception for everybody -- birth control pills, you name it. That constitutes change in the policy, and this guy Gruber said it.
You cannot have Obamacare and your old policy at the same time. If you keep your old policy, there's no Obamacare. They'd have to roll back Obamacare. They'd have to cancel Obamacare to give you your old plan, if we're gonna follow the law here. I guess with this bunch, that's not a given. But if the law counts for anything, you cannot have Obamacare and your insurance policy used to have at the same time because the Obamacare law doesn't permit it.
Obamacare requires a bunch of things in every policy now.
They're trying to blame the insurance companies for changing everybody's policies, and the insurance companies are simply complying with the new law. The insurance companies have to cover contraception, and that means that everybody has it in their policy. You've got to pay for it for the people that are using it so that they don't have to pay for it in their minds. All these Democrats are running around saying, "We just find a way to let people keep their plans."
Don't fall for it, folks.
It's another typical Democrat trick.
You can't get your old plan back. It's gone. You got a cancellation notice. They would have to delay, defund, or repeal Obamacare -- and then the insurance companies would have to agree to go back and re-create the policies that you had that you liked. They don't exist. One more time: The architect of Obamacare, Mr. Gruber, made the point that you cannot have both. If everybody gets their old policies back that they liked, you don't have Obamacare.
By the way, the reason is that the insurance companies will not make money on your old plan with Obamacare in effect. He said it, not me. But as a matter of law, you can't have both plans at the same time. By the way, you know, the White House website right now? At the White House website right now, there's a question: "Will my coverage at work change?" Answer: "No. If you like the health plan you have at work you'll be able to keep it." They're still lying about it. You won't keep it once January 1st comes.
It goes away like everybody else's now.
RUSH: Erick Erickson, head honcho at RedState.com, used to be a commentator at CNN, then wised up and went to Fox, just posted the following. He's also on our blowtorch affiliate in Atlanta, WSB. "Republicans are walking into a trap and they dont even realize it. They are about to consider, in the House of Representatives, legislation by Congressman Upton that would allow people to keep their insurance plans."
This is what happens. I'm editorializing here. I'll get back to Erick in a minute. First of all, Fred Upton is the Republican who was all for getting rid of the incandescent lightbulb and moving to the compact fluorescent because of environmental, climate change issues. Fred Upton. He's in tight with the House leadership. And, of course, this is so typical, because everybody now is getting their plans canceled. (Crying) "I don't want my plan canceled! I like my plan." And the Republicans, "Well, hey, you know what, we think you should keep your plan." This is the way the Republicans think. They'll come up with a piece of legislation with the proper message that they think will convince people that they're not mean and that they hear them and so forth.
So Upton's got this plan, an actual piece of legislation that would allow people to keep their insurance plans.
"Theres a problem though. It is widely acknowledged that Congressman Uptons legislation is more messaging than substance." He's just trying to relate to people. He's just trying to send the message from the Republicans to the people in the country, "We hear you. We also think you've been treated wrong. We're good people, too. Please like us." But he doesn't really mean for this to have any substance to it, according to Erick. "His legislation does not have anything in it that can force insurance companies, in the topsy-turvy world of Obamacare, to keep insurance plans going."
It's just a piece of legislation that supports the notion of you keeping your plan. The problem is and the trap is that there is a plan that does this over in the Senate. "Senator Mary Landrieu has written legislation in the United States Senate that the Democrats love. It mandates insurance companies have to keep people on their present insurance."
Now, I must pause here because the insurance companies are in a no-win on this. If the mandate passes they have to lose money doing it. Snerdley's right, 'cause the key of this is Dingy Harry.
Okay, so here's Mary Landrieu. Let me stay on point. Mary Landrieu has legislation in the Senate that the Democrats love. It mandates that these evil, man, rotten insurance companies continue to offer you your plan. And it creates this impression that it's the insurance companies that did this, not Obamacare, because she's trying to inoculate the Democrats from any negative fallout here. And the Republicans are gonna fall right into this, and here's how. Now, the Republicans supposedly oppose mandates, right? We don't like government mandates. We like freedom.
We Republicans are against the government forcing private businesses and individuals into contracts they don't want. That's why we opposed Obamacare. We don't like the idea that you can be told that you have to buy something. Fred Upton has proposed this thing with no teeth in it, but if it passes here's what's gonna happen. The House, because a lot of Democrats will support Fred Upton's meaningless provision, Democrats will see to it that this bill passes, and it'll go to the Senate. And there won't be a conference committee. Harry Reid will simply throw out Upton's plan and substitute Landrieu's plan for it and send it back to the House where you're saying, "Well, Rush, the Republicans will vote it down." No, they -- (interruption) Well, yeah, but what new one coming back?
No, here's the way it works. Upton's legislation has no teeth in it, it's just a PR message but the Democrats will see to it that it passes and it gets to the Senate, where it's real. Dingy Harry says this bill doesn't have any teeth in it, throws it out and substitutes the Landrieu plan. The Landrieu plan, with mandates in it that supposedly Republicans hate will be sent back to Republicans, and this is the trap, this is the trick. The House Republicans will be forced to either vote for it or be characterized as siding with the insurance companies against the people. That is the trick, Fred Upton trying to send a message of solidarity to the people being screwed by Obamacare is gonna have his meaningless, toothless bill thrown out by Harry Reid.
Landrieu's bill, which mandates it, will then be sent back to the House, and the Republicans will be forced with either voting for it or opposing it, and if they oppose it, here comes the media, and here come the Democrats talking about how the Republicans continue to side with Big Insurance over the people. And the Republicans won't want that said about them, and so they will pass it. Then the Democrats and Obama, via Mary Landrieu and Harry Reid and Fred Upton, will get their bill mandating that you get to keep your policy, and as far as you are concerned, Obama and the Democrats are heroes, because they have seen to it that those evil Republicans and insurance companies have once again been shafted, as they tried to shaft you.
So in one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the Republicans on record saving Landrieu's reelection in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans' health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates. That's what the trap is, all because the Republicans are defensive and have no confidence. They ought to be nowhere near trying to fix this. This is why I said the other day -- I'm sorry to say it again -- that this thing is starting to implode now. These very Republicans were the ones who said, "Don't oppose it, Mr. Cruz. Don't defund it, Mr. Cruz. Don't delay it, Mr. Cruz. Let it implode and let it collapse, and let it be the end of liberalism." And here come the Republicans being tricked into saving it. They ought to be doing nothing that helps the Democrats here.
"But Mr. Limbaugh, then they're going to be castigated as enjoying people's pain." The Democrats are causing people's pain! Obama is causing people's pain, not the Republicans. But the Republicans are gonna unwittingly maneuver themselves into a position where they are acknowledging that they're the cause of the pain, and they want to be the solution by agreeing with the notion that the insurance companies are the problem, not Obama, and the insurance companies should be mandated to reinstating your policy that you're losing. And then what if Obama, on top of that, decides to give people some money and call it a subsidy, for their pain and suffering during all this?
I knew I was gonna kill you with this. I knew I was gonna kill you. We snatch defeat from the jaws of victory every time, and it's all because of a lack of confidence and a defensive posture. We sit up there, we think we're hated, we're think we're despised and we'll take any opportunity we have to tell people, "No, you're wrong about us. We do agree. We think it's a horrible thing that you're losing your policy, and we're gonna go on record saying so." In doing that they're gonna end up stepping into a trap. So that's, again, a post at RedState.com by Erick Erickson. I mean, folks, I wish it weren't the case.
Yes. There's polling data out there. It's in the Stack here. Obama's approval numbers now everywhere in the thirties, everywhere. The Republicans ought to be nowhere near trying to help Obama save his bacon. But they don't think that's what they're doing, I'm convinced. If they do this, I mean, you talk about trauma and the need for therapy, I really think that the Republicans have been genuinely psychologically traumatized by decades of media criticism that they're racist, sexist, they care only about the rich, they hate women, and I think they're just obsessed with taking every opportunity that comes their way to try to prove to people they're not what the Democrats say.
Now, there may even be, in addition to that, which I wholeheartedly believe, by the way, but there may also be some establishment -- look, folks, I hate to say this, but when Ted Cruz and the boys were doing everything they can to oppose this and stop it and prevent this, there's all kinds of Republicans that campaigned on their promise to repeal it and never lifted a finger to actually do it. There's a lot of establishment Republicans who, they're envisioning being in power someday with this bill in place and in charge of the money. I don't know, it may well be that they're not falling into a trap. This may be a strategy to save Obamacare, who the hell knows. But this is the ruling class inside-the-Beltway establishment, both parties. In this case, I'd have to come down on the fact that the Republicans are unwittingly preparing to save Obamacare.
I really can't bring myself to believe that they actually want to. But reality is reality. You know, it is what it is. And what is is that the Republicans appear to want to salvage this somehow, if they can make people like them in the process. Sorry to hit you with this, but it's brewing out there. So what's the solution? Well, if somebody could get to Fred Upton in the leadership: "Just stand up. Don't propose this. You don't need to. Table the damn bill and don't send anything to the Senate and leave Landrieu and Harry Reid hanging by themselves. Do not send them anything that they can toss out and substitute their own bill. You know, call a press conference, Congressman Upton, and go tell people what you think, but don't propose some kind of meaningless legislation that could be tossed out."
I know. I know. There are 18 Democrat Senate seats on the hook. Obama's on the hook. But it doesn't matter. These 12 to 14 Democrats, who, it is said, are prepared if something's not done by Friday, to join Republican fixes for this. Why would you throw that out? I can't answer the question. You're asking me again, for 25 years, you've been asking me, "Why do the Republicans do X?" I do not know. That's all I can tell you. I don't know.
RUSH: The Republicans need to adopt Harry Reid's attitude of two or three weeks ago. Remember when Harry Reid said, "Why would I want to do that?" when asked about making sure that places that treat kids with cancer stay open. "Why would I want to do that?" The Republicans need to say, "Why would I want to do that? Why would I want to preserve Obamacare?" I don't know why the Republicans want to make Obamacare work. I don't know. Unless they so hate the Tea Party, unless they just despise the Tea Party, that they do something like this out of spite. I do not have an explanation.
That gives Butthead Reid too much power. He’s nothing but a shill.
Obama is term-limited, Dem Senators are not. Time for Obama to get under the bus. LOL!
I despise that little squirrely Grinch.
Absolutely correct, sir. It will be a race to the bottom.
Nothing was stopping them from doing that before. Individual health insurance plans were always available. The reason companies offer health insurance is as a benefit to make their employees happy. If they stop the benefit, they risk losing their employees to another company who still provides it. And unless their employees are below average wage, the employees are going to have to pay more for their insurance now than they would have on the individual market before Obamacare.
The “free lunch” logic applies to employers as well as individuals. If they’re think they’re going to save money by pushing costs on the government, who is only going to drive costs and inefficiency up more and eventually have to raise taxes to run a health care system more expensive than it was previously, they’re wrong.
And “Bang!”, Obama takes credit for the fix along with the Dems, the dems get their cover for 2014, and the GOP gets demonized and blamed for the national crisis.
Timing is everything on this issue. The dems and Obama need to own this for months to come.
True!! Nix it, don't fix it...it's based on one - if not many - lies.
“Dem Senators are not. Time for Obama to get under the bus. LOL!”
Could be. Clinton threw him under the bus, distanced Hillary from O and O care. Gave “permission” for other Dems to do the same . . . OK where do the Clintons get the ability to . . . tell Dem Senators when it is OK to turn on O? Inquiring minds would like to know.
OK Bill and Hill want / need the Senate. The Dem Senators want themselves reelected and a majority. O is history; I mean, he is a lame duck even if not toast. The Dems are moving towards the future.
OR? Will Reid and O hold the line yet again?? Tomorrow will be interesting indeed! Before Bill spoke (not that he SHOULD have the credibility for anyone to listen to him) I would have bet O would veto anything; not that he would have to because Reid would not let anything through the Senate.
Come on Freepers, I would like your take on this!
No Mr. McConnell true conservatives are not panicing.
the cockus and the senior white officials? does that leave out the Kenyan?
Don’t fix it (it can’t be fixed). They own it. They will be destroyed with it. Don’t help them. They would take all our property and kill us if they could. They are our mortal enemies.
ESAD, Dingy. You filthy RAT.
The journalistic lies start in the second sentence. It’s not “hundreds of thousands” losing their policies, it’s millions. A million just yesterday in one state (CA) for one provider (Blue Cross Blue Shield).
Not all CHANGE is necessary or an improvement.
obamacare changes the equation, because plans will be limited by what they must provide and the cost of bureaucratic compliance being so high businesses will find it cheaper to drop the benefit. Losing employees is no longer an issue. We now have a new normal of 7% - 9% unemployment. We do not have a rapidly growing economy and because of the debt and QE we won't for a very long time.
Yep, this so called journalist must have been pained to have to write this article but did his best to slant it for the Rats. The turkey outdid himself with the second to last sentence.
You mean the rats don’t want to go down with HMS Obama?
The Silky Pony is opening a Law firm in NC.
He can add Soc Sec disability clients to his normal ambulance chasing...
“Good morning everyone! Please be seated. You will notice a sealed manila envelope in front of each of you. Go ahead and open it.” (Sound of tearing paper) “Yes. These are the pictures of the midnight orgy at the last DNC meeting that the NSA kindly pulled from their files. I trust there will be no defections? Good, then the matter is settled.”
I’d bet you’re closer to the truth than many would believe.
And the Republicans willingly participate, if not step up first without waiting to be asked.
Exactly why it is FRAUD!
Oooooooo..A Harry Reid Meeting! I thought we had just celebrated Halloween?
I really do not understand why editors or proofreaders are no longer used-they are badly needed. My eyes just navigate to anomalies.
I definitely think companies would drop plans for lower-wage, lower-skilled workers, roughly below the income threshold where they would qualify for subsidies. But I don’t think they’d find it advantageous to do so for middle and higher-income people who would have the options to seek employment from a competitor.
Me, too. My eyes just zoom right to errors. When that happens, I tend to discount the rest of the article, too.
Obama would rather have Obamacare at any cost and sacrifice his senate majority.
Reid cares only about his senate majority.
A dangerous moment for the nation, and insurance companies had better be ready for total war.
Because nobody wants to go down in history as the one who started the ball rolling to pull down America's Historic First Black Pres__ent.
(Hiya, MF! :o))
They have no choice. If they do it for one group they will do it across the board. Check the Wall Street Journal, they had an article about it today. I've heard the same thing from an executive at a large company. When it starts it will be to late to reverse course, that's why the employer mandate got pushed back.
I have a friend who is a black women born and raised in Berkley in a politically active very liberal family. Last week she told me that she agreed with all my Facebook posts but couldn’t say it on Facebook because people would be mad a her. Some liberals are waking up. This was a shock to me as I never expected her to see the light.
I’m saying if a company largely has lower-income employees they will do it but not if they’re largely stagged with middle-to-upper-income types. Just like the companies with lower-income employees have been cutting them back to under 30 hours now, but not companies with a more educated and higher paid workforce.
Every time I see the very name Harry Reid I consider there being a face in the Websters of a limp***ked SOB.
Every time I see the very name Harry Reid I consider there being a face in the Websters of a limp***ked SOB.
Enemedia. I like that. Can I use it?
That’s encouraging...This fiasco by 0bama and the Rats re 0care may just wake a lot of their liberal supporters up, it’s out there for everyone to see and they can’t blame it on the Republicans.
You bet, I wasn’t the originator of it. It was coined by a FReeper 6 years ago or so and I can’t remember their name.
I'm sorry if I'm not explaining this well. What I'm talking about is not hourly employees, but salaried employees. The executive I talked with is at the upper level of a large property management company. What they will be doing across the board is eliminate healthcare insurance as a benefit. What they will do is give everyone a stipend/bonus equal to the amount the company paid, minus the tax penalty, and let them buy their own insurance. I was told this a couple weeks ago.
Today the Wall Street Journal had an article about the same thing and the financial incentives to do this. It may start slowly, but it is going to happen. I suspect the GOP-e which represents mid to large business interests is not fighting harder than ever to repeal obamacare because business wants out of healthcare.
No adults need apply.
At the risk of getting booed, when I saw the headline “special Obamacare meeting” I thought of the Special Olympics.
Marxists convening to fix something they were never capable of creating.
All the while the GOP is pushing Illegal Alien Amnesty instead of pushing the end of ObamaCare.
If you are not getting rid of ObamaCare...you support ObamaCare
“reneger” should be renege. What an unfortunate typo due to the senior white officials being involved and all.
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