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Democrats Threaten to Abandon Obama on Health Law Provision
NY Times ^ | 11/13/13 | ASHLEY PARKER and MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 11/13/2013 2:48:11 PM PST by jimbo123

Anxious congressional Democrats are threatening to abandon President Obama on a central element of his signature health care law, voicing increasing support for proposals that would allow Americans to retain the health insurance coverage they are losing because of the Affordable Care Act.

The dissent comes as a vote looms Friday in the Republican-controlled House on a bill that would allow Americans to keep their existing health coverage through 2014 without penalties. The measure, drafted by Representative Fred Upton, the Michigan Republican who is the chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, is opposed by the White House, which argues that it would severely undermine the Affordable Care Act by allowing insurance companies to continue to sell health coverage that does not meet the higher standard of Mr. Obama’s health care law.

But a growing number of House Democrats, reflecting a strong political backlash to the rollout of the health care law, are warning the White House they might support the measure if the administration does not provide a strong alternative argument. The approaching House vote is shaping up as an important test for both the health measure and the unity that Democratic leaders have so far been able to maintain around the health law despite a fierce Republican attack against it.

In a closed-door meeting Wednesday of House Democrats and White House officials, tensions flared as several lawmakers upbraided the administration, saying that the president had put Democrats in a tough political position by wrongly promising consumers that they could keep their existing health care plans. In fact, hundreds of thousands of Americans have received cancellation notices from their insurers because their health care coverage does not meet the minimum standards dictated by the new law.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abortion; bailout; deathpanels; fredupton; michigan; obamacare; zerocare

1 posted on 11/13/2013 2:48:11 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

No delays!

It is the law of the land.


2 posted on 11/13/2013 2:49:34 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jimbo123

Pass the popcorn.


3 posted on 11/13/2013 2:50:54 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: jimbo123

These Democrats need to hang with Obama. They wrote it. They voted for it. They pimped it. Show them no quarter. Attack!


4 posted on 11/13/2013 2:50:56 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: jimbo123

RATs going down with their filthy ship. FUBAR.


5 posted on 11/13/2013 2:51:41 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: jimbo123

Hell no!!!!

As we were oh-so-pointedly reminded during the shutdown, this is “settled law,” passed by both houses of Congress, signed into law and confirmed by SCOTUS!

No deals with the dark side. THEY sold their souls to it, so they can drown in its bilge!


6 posted on 11/13/2013 2:54:02 PM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: jimbo123

Just how is this going to work? How do you pass a law that says that you get keep something that you no longer have? Do they really think these insurance companies are going to go back and re-offer the old plans? This is crazy talk.


7 posted on 11/13/2013 2:54:06 PM PST by fulltlt
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To: jimbo123

This is a congressional democrat bill as much as it is Obama’s. They CAN’T abandon it now. It’s their tar baby.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 2:55:26 PM PST by DManA
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To: jimbo123

Eat your peas!


9 posted on 11/13/2013 2:55:52 PM PST by refermech
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To: jimbo123

They were for it before they were against it, just bidding their time for a few years from now when all those people die along with their health plans.


10 posted on 11/13/2013 2:58:14 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: jimbo123
Yahoo just posted an article titled, 'should people be allowed to keep their health care'

The veneer is going to be stripped away, it was always intended that millions would be not allowed to keep their plans, Obama has admitted that already!

11 posted on 11/13/2013 2:58:39 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: jimbo123

Wasn’t the entire supposed point of Obamacare to insure something like 20 - 30 million “uninsured/underinsured”?
And instead it has destroyed the insurance of 30 - 53 million people and counting?


12 posted on 11/13/2013 2:59:01 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: DManA

Yeah, I wonder what Roberts is going to say now. It’s just another exemption.... from a tax...


13 posted on 11/13/2013 2:59:37 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: jimbo123

Funny thing that the “shutdown” is SUCH a distant memory now.

Pubs, tell your “friends across the aisle” there are 40 repeal bills languishing in Harry Reid’s “ignore” file. House dems can tell their counterparts in the Senate to take it up with Reid.

Trying to apply surface “fixes” to this hot mess is akin to putting earrings and perfume on a warthog. At the end of the day, it’s still just a warthog. Get rid of it. Now.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 3:01:09 PM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: jimbo123; Liz
through 2014 without penalties.

Not long enough. Maybe make a deal if it's 2017 or beyond.

15 posted on 11/13/2013 3:01:37 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Damn straight!

IT’S THE LAW OF THE LAND!

and exemptions were NOT part of the law. Go the USSC and make sure the full LAW OF THE LAND is implemented without delay!


16 posted on 11/13/2013 3:01:55 PM PST by esoxmagnum ( Some hide in bunkers when there is trouble, others run towards the trouble.)
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To: Darksheare
the insurance of 30 - 53 million people and counting?

I think it's just over 5 million who have lost their insurance.

17 posted on 11/13/2013 3:02:02 PM PST by what's up
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To: ScottinVA

Let us see what the law does before we read it... filthy swines do not like the visibility of the crucifiction they so much favored, all these feminists and their wuss gop e husbands lying.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 3:02:39 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: DManA

Umm, the Justice Brothers will be knocking on your door... Remember “Tar Baby” is racist now.

As is Briar Patch.


19 posted on 11/13/2013 3:02:49 PM PST by esoxmagnum ( Some hide in bunkers when there is trouble, others run towards the trouble.)
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To: ScottinVA

Anybody saw the psycho idiot in chief’s “I get away with it” smirk when he was making his phony appology. How can Americans be so stupid...


20 posted on 11/13/2013 3:05:18 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: jimbo123

Lets get ready to RrrrrruuuuuuuuuummmmmbbbbLLLLLLLLLie..

21 posted on 11/13/2013 3:06:09 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: jimbo123
It's the law of the land. They sponsored it. Legislated the bill. Voted for it. The president signed it. The USSC upheld it.

A new level of stupid is taking place.

You either sponsor a bill to create the legislation to repeal the Affordable Healthcare Act of 2010, vote yes on it in both chambers and send it to the president for his signature, or you STFU and eat yer peas.

22 posted on 11/13/2013 3:08:08 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: jimbo123
Republicans are already going to give the drowning Dems an inner tube thanks to Upton's stupid bill.

House Republicans should pass a clean, full repeal of Obamacare and make the Dems choke on it...

Remember the names the Dems call you Republicans? Remember Nancy Pelosi with that big-ass gavel and purposefully walked through Tea Party protesters daring them to say something vile to Rep. Lewis?

Remember how Dems shut you out of the debate and shoved this s--t sandwich down our throats?

23 posted on 11/13/2013 3:10:17 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: fulltlt
Do they really think these insurance companies are going to go back and re-offer the old plans?

Nope. Once the plans are cancelled, THAT'S IT.

It takes months for the plans to be re-registered with their state insurance regulator.

24 posted on 11/13/2013 3:11:31 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Red in Blue PA

That would be my position. “its the law of the land” “Its settled law” deal with it.


25 posted on 11/13/2013 3:12:19 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: jimbo123

bookmark


26 posted on 11/13/2013 3:15:39 PM PST by what's up
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To: jimbo123

The only real way to fix the problem of people losing their current coverage is to abandon all the new mandated “minimum standards” like mental health, substance abuse treatment, birth control, maternity care, children up to 26, etc. All those provisions are the main drivers of the higher costs. If Democrats aren’t talking about ditching those mandates, they aren’t serious about letting people keep their old plans.


27 posted on 11/13/2013 3:16:39 PM PST by arista
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To: jimbo123; FReepers; Patriots; FRiends
Fred Upton needs to be stopped!!

A Trap for Republicans - RUSH LIMBAUGH
November 13, 2013

28 posted on 11/13/2013 3:17:01 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: jimbo123

Obama, tell ‘em “no way!” Remind them you’re worth losing elections for, and it’s time to eat their peas!


29 posted on 11/13/2013 3:17:18 PM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: jimbo123

Terrorists!


30 posted on 11/13/2013 3:17:23 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: jimbo123

Kabuki Threats and Theater. The Clown has their files. NSA, anyone?


31 posted on 11/13/2013 3:17:57 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I totally agree, Triple E.


32 posted on 11/13/2013 3:20:58 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: jimbo123

Like Prohibition, Obamacare was a bad idea from the start, was imposed by elites, hurt average Americans, undermined the rule of law, and undermined confidence in government. Prohibition was, and Obamacare is, defended as being settled law. The solution for Obamacare is the same as was the case for Prohibition: REPEAL!!!


33 posted on 11/13/2013 3:21:11 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: jimbo123

They won’t abandon him. They’re going to have the screws put to them and they’ll get money for their campaigns.

It’s all theater for the masses.


34 posted on 11/13/2013 3:28:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The GOP should demand either 1) complete repeal now or 2) ALL laws enforced with NO waivers for ANYONE!


35 posted on 11/13/2013 3:28:27 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Short way to put it - Democrats won’t join Ted Cruz and the Tea Party terrorists.


36 posted on 11/13/2013 3:28:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: fulltlt

They just magically think the insurance companies can recreate these plans just because Congress passes a law that says “do over”? They ignore the legal issues and the computer system issues and then all the hopsitals and doctors who’ve adjusted their practices and billing...

They have FUBARd the pooch big time.


37 posted on 11/13/2013 3:30:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: what's up

yes but it’s just beginning.


38 posted on 11/13/2013 3:31:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: jimbo123
"In fact, hundreds of thousands of Americans have received cancellation notices..."

Just "hundreds of thousands"?! A little downplaying in the NY Slimes??

39 posted on 11/13/2013 3:33:33 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree.


40 posted on 11/13/2013 3:33:41 PM PST by what's up
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To: fulltlt

Exactly right, you cannot force a company to sell a product. But they will probably try.


41 posted on 11/13/2013 3:36:04 PM PST by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: jimbo123

42 posted on 11/13/2013 3:38:52 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: what's up

Seen all kinds of numbers out there.


43 posted on 11/13/2013 3:40:25 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: lavaroise

If they abandon ship giv’em at leastc one brownie point for having the sense to know that they needed to jump overboard.


44 posted on 11/13/2013 3:49:33 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jimbo123

THS IS A TRAP.
http://www.redstate.com/2013/11/13/its-a-trap/

Tell Upton to stuff it.

If they pass the bill, Reid will substitute the Landrieu language—WHICH SAVE OBAMACARE AND SAVE LANDRIEU!!!


45 posted on 11/13/2013 3:51:23 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: FReepers

It might have been nice if those democrats read the bill first-—they probably did, but they have their arses so far up there, they think nobody should notice.


46 posted on 11/13/2013 3:54:02 PM PST by Joshua Marcus
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To: jimbo123
a bill that would allow Americans to keep their existing health coverage through 2014 without penalties. The measure, drafted by Representative Fred Upton

Through 2014? THROUGH 2014?! Are you bleepin' kidding me?

The Collaborators truly are the stupid party.

47 posted on 11/13/2013 3:56:44 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00004133

Fred Upton

Top 5 Contributors, 2013-2014, Campaign Cmte
Contributor Total Indivs PACs
Blue Cross/Blue Shield $10,500 $500 $10,000
Steptoe & Johnson $10,200 $5,200 $5,000
Berkshire Hathaway $10,000 $0 $10,000
Boeing Co $10,000 $0 $10,000
CenturyLink $10,000 $0 $10,000

Top 5 Industries, 2013-2014, Campaign Cmte
Industry Total Indivs PACs
Health Professionals $139,000 $16,000 $123,000
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $92,900 $3,900 $89,000
Electric Utilities $86,500 $1,500 $85,000
Oil & Gas $76,750 $5,750 $71,000
Lawyers/Law Firms $56,900 $17,900 $39,000


48 posted on 11/13/2013 5:55:34 PM PST by jimbo123
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