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'I just shot someone': The dramatic moment man who 'gunned down
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 12 November 2013 | WILL PAYNE IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN

Posted on 11/13/2013 9:01:14 PM PST by moonshinner_09

'I just shot someone': The dramatic moment man who 'gunned down innocent black woman, 19, on his porch' called police to confess

The unnamed man who gunned down 19-year-old Renisha McBride after she knocked on his door looking for help, called police soon after saying he had, 'just shot someone on his porch.' In an emergency call made moments after the tragic incident, he said he thought he had shot someone and then hung up. The police dispatcher then re-established contact with him and he told her he didn't know who the victim was. Minutes after that an officer arrived at the scene of the killing and said: 'There's somebody down on the porch ... it appears it's going to be a black female.' The Detroit News got hold of the audio footage from the early hours of November 2, when tragic Ms McBride was gunned down in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.

Ms McBride – who is black - apparently knocked on the door in the predominantly white neighborhood, looking for help after crashing her car a few blocks away. The audio obtained through Broadcastify provides a glimpse into the events of that morning. At 4.46am the female dispatcher says: 'Just received a 911 call from a male (who) thinks he just shot someone on his porch. Then he hung up; we're trying to call back

About a minute later, the dispatcher radioed: 'Units responding: We have the male on the line. (He) states he doesn’t know this person. Trying to get further (information).' A responding officer told the dispatcher: 'There's somebody down on the porch ... it appears it's going to be a black female.'

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: dearbornheights; detroit; donutwatch; michigan; renishamcbride
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This has so many twists and turns as to what really happen .He at one point I am in fear my life.Then changes his story it is an accident.He is going to have a lot of explaining to do.Giving 2 different statements will not be of any help to him in this case.
1 posted on 11/13/2013 9:01:14 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Don’t talk to the police
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


2 posted on 11/13/2013 9:03:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Many on the left see faith & family as oppressive, the right sees them as indispensable." Palin)
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To: moonshinner_09

Is it me or has this story changed a lot since the first reports?


3 posted on 11/13/2013 9:05:44 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: moonshinner_09

You have got to be careful before you use lethal force.

I don’t know all the particulars here, but I don’t want to see innocent Blacks gunned down anymore than I want to see an innocent White gunned down.

If she was just looking for help... this guy should be in a lot of trouble.


4 posted on 11/13/2013 9:08:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don’t talk to the police

Exactly. Even the sheriff's deputy who taught my handgun safety class said the same thing.
5 posted on 11/13/2013 9:13:50 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Bookmark


6 posted on 11/13/2013 9:14:48 PM PST by publius911 (At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: moonshinner_09

This is statement he made to police:This man’s claiming – he believed the girl was breaking into the home. And he’s also saying the gun discharged accidentally,’ Now he cannot have it both ways


7 posted on 11/13/2013 9:15:48 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: andyk

I’m hoping for a just outcome here.

The young lady had an accident, running into a parked car. She left the scene, came back and left again. She was reportedly bleeding.

Two hours later and 6 blocks away, she was shot dead.

It is in the city of Detroit.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 9:19:53 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

http://www.freep.com/article/20131111/NEWS02/311110088/Renisha-McBridge-autopsy


9 posted on 11/13/2013 9:20:42 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: GeronL

Not you.


10 posted on 11/13/2013 9:21:28 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: moonshinner_09

He actually could say he thought she was trying to break into the house, but his gun went off accidentally.

It’s possible to be contemplating taking an action, and accidentally carry out that action unintentionally by accident, before you consciously signed off on it.


11 posted on 11/13/2013 9:22:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: Gene Eric

Good. I was getting worried my dementia and senility was acting up again. :p


12 posted on 11/13/2013 9:25:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: DoughtyOne

i agree i don’t want innocent people of any color being shot.

that said we need more info about what went on. it is not good to change stories, which i why you don’t make a statement right after it happens.

it’s why they put cops on leave for a few days before they even write down what happened. the mind at the time of going thru such an incident may remember things out of order. they know’this. which pisses me’off b/c they know this and yet try to get people to talk immediately afterwards, and then they remember things better a few days later and it appears like their story changed. when it hasn’t they just remembered things the correct way.


13 posted on 11/13/2013 9:29:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Guy walked outside with a shotgun and shot her in the face.

Hang him.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 9:37:02 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: moonshinner_09

” he believed the girl was breaking into the home. And he’s also saying the gun discharged accidentally,’ Now he cannot have it both ways”

Sure you could. You could think someone was breaking into your home, arm yourself and go investigate. And as you did so, you could have an accidental discharge killing the person who had you fightened in the first place. In fact, at 4am, scared of an intruder, poorly trained, not normally in that situation in your day to day life,,,, it could very easily happen that you shot them unintentionally.


15 posted on 11/13/2013 9:42:54 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Vendome

Did he walk outside?


16 posted on 11/13/2013 9:49:38 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

I don’t think he crawled...


17 posted on 11/13/2013 9:50:44 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree with your comments.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 9:51:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: Vendome

What do you mean crawled? Did he open the door or was she shot through an opening?

Autopsy says she was not shot at close range.

I’d like to get the whole story and find there are a limited number of facts out there.


19 posted on 11/13/2013 9:52:43 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

K

Just seems to be an odd story.


20 posted on 11/13/2013 9:59:30 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

It is indeed odd.

I want to know if he turned on the porch light and WHEN he knew it was a black female. He told the police those facts.

I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt and saying she was dazed and confused from the impact of the accident. It was reported that she was completely wet and wonder if it was raining that night.

I wonder why LE won’t release more info.


21 posted on 11/13/2013 10:03:49 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: moonshinner_09

22 posted on 11/13/2013 10:08:17 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Vendome
Guy walked outside with a shotgun and shot her in the face.

Hang him.

Not quite so fast there. Accident was 3+ hours before the shooting. Where was she? Was she agitated enough he might reasonably think she meant to rob rob the house, or possibly enter under false pretenses and commit some other act? She may have been very irrational and bringing the gun to the door might well be reasonable in that case.

It says she hit the car and then drove off. While the penalty for hit and run is not death, she came back to a location no where close to the parked car. Blocks away. Probably hysterical and not making much sense.

Family says she drove around for hours looking for help. I call BS on that. She didn't need help, if she did call 911 and have them give her directions to the nearest police station.

What I suspect happened was that she was drunk/high on something and didn't want the police to find her until it had worn off. This would explain a lot.

There is a reasonably common MO for home invasion robberies where a single female knocks on the door. When it opens her male accomplices rush the door and force their way in. She holds it open just long enough for them to get to it before it can be closed and locked. She looks harmless, but it is actually deadly to the occupants of the home. This is Detroit -- every scam known has been tried here in the recent past and may be tried on you tonight.

23 posted on 11/13/2013 10:13:23 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

She didn’t drive away, she wandered off, leaving her car.

“...A neighbor called police and tried to help Ms McBride who was apparently disorientated and bleeding from her head.

But in her confused state she wandered off. At 1.40am a police cruiser was dispatched to the scene, but Ms McBride was gone. She walked for a few blocks, before knocking on the shooter’s door. She was not shot until around 4am and it is not known what she had been doing for the two-and-a-half hours before her death....”

So she wandered around the neighborhood for a couple of hours.....or crawled into some bushes to sleep it off....or who knows what.


24 posted on 11/13/2013 10:20:02 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: BunnySlippers
Autopsy says she was not shot at close range.

This is quite different than most people think. I remember from the Trayvon Martin case that "close range" was less than 1 foot. Intermediate range was 1 to 3 feet, and anything over 3 feet was long range.

Not at close range just means more than 12", not a great distance.

Trayvon was sitting on top of GZ beating his head into the sidewalk and the autopsy says he was shot at "intermediate range".

25 posted on 11/13/2013 10:20:32 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

Ok

I’ll buy that.


26 posted on 11/13/2013 10:21:35 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: CurlyDave

I agree with your assessment of measurements. I think LE takes into account powder burn.

I noticed the house appears to be 1950s, with a porch that, to me, seems somewhat protected. It was said the porch was “small” around 5’ square. Was his porch light working? Did he ever turn it on?

He said when she came to the house, it was totally dark.


27 posted on 11/13/2013 10:24:04 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: moonshinner_09

Why in the world would he open the door if he was in fear of his life? Sounds like he realized he made a terrible error of judgement (and never walked himself through this scenario in advance which was another one) and is trying to weasel out of a 2nd degree murder charge.


28 posted on 11/13/2013 10:30:23 PM PST by expat1000
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To: moonshinner_09

Seems like he panicked and shot the girl. Was his fear reasonable? When did he realize it was a woman he shot? Did he shoot her through the door? Did he warn her he was going to shoot if she did not leave? Did it go off accidentally or did he pull the trigger out of fear.

So many questions to be answered and depending on the answers I would think a wrongful killing/manslaughter charge would be out of the question.


29 posted on 11/13/2013 10:32:19 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: melsec

not be ought of the wuestion - doh


30 posted on 11/13/2013 10:33:24 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: expat1000

Did he open the door? I have not seen an article stating he opened the door.

He also says it did not sound like knocking, that the sound was more intense.


31 posted on 11/13/2013 10:34:34 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

“Did he open the door? I have not seen an article stating he opened the door.”

I haven’t either, so I’m making the assumption that if he shot through the door, or if the victim (that is what I see her as right now) opened it, that would have been reported, therefore he opened it. Also, this was around 4:30 AM - very unlikely it was unlocked.

And it doesn’t matter if it was knocking or something louder, IMO. It’s not a situation that rightly called for the application of lethal force. And we have only his word for the claim it was louder than knocking. If she was kicking the door or hammering on it with a rock or something, there will be evidence of that which will come out, but it doesn’t change things.


32 posted on 11/13/2013 10:48:29 PM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

I was thinking he may have shot through the peephole. I know I would’t open the door to confront the person.

If he shot through the peephole he would have missed a lot especially if there was no porch light.

I got the feeling this guy was scared [Detroit] … and he over reacted.


33 posted on 11/13/2013 11:03:32 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: expat1000

“Why in the world would he open the door if he was in fear of his life?”

Perhaps because the banging stopped? I would certainly be tempted to open the door to see if whoever was out there was gone before I called the police.

And if she then sort of jumped out of the darkness at him....even innocently, just happy that someone had finally opened the door....well, that could easily startle someone into pulling a trigger....

But it’s all just speculation until we hear his side of the story. Several people on this thread have stated “never talk to the police.” So I’m not gonna condemn the guy because he’s taking his time getting his story out.


34 posted on 11/13/2013 11:11:21 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: BunnySlippers

“I was thinking he may have shot through the peephole”

Not likely even with a handgun and less so with a shotgun!


35 posted on 11/13/2013 11:17:13 PM PST by expat1000
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To: DoughtyOne

This caper is a big ole mess.

Occam’s razor insist that we use the simplest assumptions in the absence of hard data. Here’s my attempt:

The decedent was as high as a kite at the time she contacted the homeowner. (Basis: traffic collision with a parked car at 1:30 am, then leaving the scene). Like many people under the influence, she was a bit of a pain in the ass when she knocked on this guy’s door an hour and a half later. And maybe more than a little bit scary. (Front for a home invasion robbery? etc.)

The homeowner, understandably defensive at that hour and in Detroit, Michigan of all places, goes to check out the noise. He has his finger on the trigger for whatever reason...poor discipline certainly, bad training possibly, just due to the hour and waking from a sound sleep understandably. He goes out to check out the commotion, the female does something to startle him, and he reflexively contracts the muscles in his had. Gun goes off with predictable results.

Homeowner, horrified at the dead female at his feet, calls 911 and barfs all over himself.

“Family” calls ambulance chasing lawyer, and the rest is the stories we see in the media.


36 posted on 11/13/2013 11:35:34 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: All

Same standards should apply to him as to police. If he had cause to fear for his safety then its a good shoot.


37 posted on 11/13/2013 11:46:53 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Same standards should apply to him as to police. If he had cause to fear for his safety then its a good shoot.

Yep.

38 posted on 11/13/2013 11:56:12 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: absalom01

That is a cogent, rational explanation which appears well-grounded in reality. And I’m not just saying that because I was going to write a very similar post.


40 posted on 11/14/2013 2:15:18 AM PST by jameslalor
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To: moonshinner_09

White guy in his house in Detroit, 4:46am in the morning and a black person is on his porch.

I would have had my gun in my hand regardless. Pulling the trigger is another story. We don’t know what the woman was doing. Need to see how this plays out...


41 posted on 11/14/2013 2:21:39 AM PST by maddog55
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree. Each case needs to be judged on its own merits.

I strongly defended—rightly so—George Zimmerman. But this isn’t George. And it isn’t that South Carolina case either....where that cop shot the kid who was rushing him....

The race baiters on both sides will use this to paint this as “just like the other ones!” to ‘prove’ their worldview.

But we have to look at the particulars of each incident.


42 posted on 11/14/2013 2:21:47 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: moonshinner_09

? How could it not be both ways? He could have had the gun to investigate the “break in” and still have it go off accidently.


43 posted on 11/14/2013 2:22:33 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: moonshinner_09
From the article: On the night in question Ms McBride crashed her car into a parked vehicle just before 1am. A neighbor called police and tried to help Ms McBride who was apparently disorientated and bleeding from her head.

But in her confused state she wandered off. At 1.40am a police cruiser was dispatched to the scene, but Ms McBride was gone. She walked for a few blocks, before knocking on the shooter's door. She was not shot until around 4am and it is not known what she had been doing for the two-and-a-half hours before her death.

There certainly are a lot of 'twists'. There is more here than meets the eye. I, for one, would be wanting to hear the results of a toxicology screen from the autopsy. Wandering off for three hours could have been more than just a result of the accident - running into a parked car.

44 posted on 11/14/2013 2:43:36 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: moonshinner_09

terrible tragic event, BUT.....black “culture” has brought us:

Flash mob
Home invasion
The knock out game
“White girl bleed a lot”

his “fear for his life” sort of holds water, IMHO


45 posted on 11/14/2013 3:20:40 AM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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The racial makeup of the city was 86.1% White, 7.9% African American, 0.4% Native American, 1.7% Asian, 1.0% from other races, and 2.8% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 4.7% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dearborn_Heights,_Michigan#Demographics


46 posted on 11/14/2013 3:28:42 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: moonshinner_09

You know, we really should have let Germany conquer England.


47 posted on 11/14/2013 3:56:13 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Farnsworth

This is the prime reason for the incident.


48 posted on 11/14/2013 4:11:01 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: DoughtyOne
You have got to be careful before you use lethal force. I don’t know all the particulars here, but I don’t want to see innocent Blacks gunned down anymore than I want to see an innocent White gunned down. If she was just looking for help... this guy should be in a lot of trouble.

Totally agree - situational awareness is imperative - being armed carries a heavy responsibility. When armed (a normal condition), I am much more polite and will do anything possible to avert a reason to commit violence. I have had occasion to answer the door with my weapon at my side, but have never had cause to point/shoot. I hope to go to my grave without shooting someone and would be deeply disturbed over a "good" shoot, much more so for a "mistake".

49 posted on 11/14/2013 4:20:14 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: BunnySlippers

Home invasions are on the increase. Expect more of this! BHO has hurt the economy and divided the Country. Be cautious about knocking on my door at 4 AM!


50 posted on 11/14/2013 5:02:03 AM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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