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Boeing machinists reject contract Wednesday night
Kiro 7 News ^ | Nov. 12, 2013

Posted on 11/13/2013 9:45:45 PM PST by 21twelve

Excerpt: Boeing machinists (Washington State) rejected a contract Wednesday that would have exchanged worker concessions for years of secure jobs.

(Excerpt) Read more at isearch.avg.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aerospace
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1 posted on 11/13/2013 9:45:45 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/boeing-machinists-face-contentious-contract-vote/nbrnQ/

Sorry - here is the real link to the Kiro 7 News website.


2 posted on 11/13/2013 9:47:26 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

Greed is never pretty. Union greed is downright ugly.


3 posted on 11/13/2013 9:48:34 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Millions are losing their healthcare thanks to ObamaScam! What a country!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Full pay ‘til the last day” -Eastern Airlines labor slogan


4 posted on 11/13/2013 9:51:42 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: 21twelve

Boeing could get the negotiations moving by changing all the signs in the plant from English to Spanish.


5 posted on 11/13/2013 9:52:18 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022195247_boeingiam777xxml.html

an excerpt from an earlier article, Nov. 5, 2013

To try to secure a “yes” vote by the IAM’s 31,000 members here and 1,500 more in Portland, Boeing wrapped the bitter pill of its contract proposal in lots of sugar.

The IAM deal includes substantial cash awards: not only the big ratification bonus but also a “golden handshake” buyout that would allow retirement with boosted pension terms of $95 per month per year of service for anyone over age 58.

The take-aways include significantly higher health-care premiums and, crucially, the radically changed pension plan.

The new pension plan would have the company contribute a fixed percentage of gross salary into a retirement savings account each year: 10 percent the first year, 8 percent the second; 6 percent the third, and 4 percent every year thereafter.

The IAM is the last Boeing union with a traditional pension, and the company has sought unsuccessfully in multiple contract negotiations to move away from a defined-benefit pension plan to such a defined-contributions savings plan.

The offer would also change the wage structure so that new hires would take 16 years to reach the top of the pay scale instead of the 6  years it takes today.....

A company source said that during secret negotiations over the past months, Boeing moved somewhat toward the union on the pension and health-care numbers.....

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In tonight's Kiro 7 article they also talk about the stuff that the Governor added to try to keep Boeing and the union happy.

6 posted on 11/13/2013 9:54:05 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

Boeing, Inc. is very hard to deal with.


7 posted on 11/13/2013 9:54:53 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: 21twelve

Good, we can use more jobs down South.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 9:55:31 PM PST by Kent1957
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Boeing already has other plants in non-union states that are itching to expand and get this contract.


9 posted on 11/13/2013 9:55:41 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

SOUTH CAROLINA HERE WE COME!!!!!


10 posted on 11/13/2013 10:00:33 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: 21twelve

Seattle is booming. I counted 7 construction cranes looking at the Lake Union side of the city. Boeing would be better off in the South where they are appreciated.


11 posted on 11/13/2013 10:05:03 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: 21twelve

So what happens now? hope their skills include making Twinkies..


12 posted on 11/13/2013 10:06:04 PM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: USNBandit

““Full pay ‘til the last day” -Eastern Airlines labor slogan”

Eastern could have been a great airline too. But the unions tried to act like the UAW and play ‘hardball’.


13 posted on 11/13/2013 10:08:50 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: rainee

Another ?...article says they are the last holdout about pensions so this one baffoon union can sink all Boeing jobs?
Crazy greed, tons of Boeing jobs will be lost in that region.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 10:10:52 PM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: 21twelve
[Boeing already has other plants in non-union states that are itching to expand and get this contract.]

You can bet Obama has the National Labor Relations Board keeping a watchful eye on this.

15 posted on 11/13/2013 10:11:41 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: rainee

Not sure what happens now. It sounds like the unions figure Boeing will negotiate. But I’ve read too where some think that Boeing will start negotiations with other state’s to see what their options are (tax breaks, etc.) And I imagine WA state will try to make their offers better to the company and the unions.


16 posted on 11/13/2013 10:11:46 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Yep.


17 posted on 11/13/2013 10:13:13 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: 21twelve

If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. Mark 3:25 NIV. Of course the unions are not interested in unity, only control and money, the same as the feds. What a shocker.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 10:17:59 PM PST by Fungi
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To: rainee

Thought the same thing. These folks have just voted themselves out of a (pretty darned good) job, in the midst of what is very close to a Great Depression in many areas of the country. Maybe they think Obama is going to ride his Magical Flying Stallion into the plant and scatter Golden Fairy Dust to each and every employee.

Idjits.


19 posted on 11/13/2013 10:18:39 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: JennysCool; rainee

The average gross pay for Boeing Machinists last year was about $85,000.


20 posted on 11/13/2013 10:22:35 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

I remember right after the crash in 2008 when some union at Boeing went on strike. One of the big sticking points would be that they would start having to pay a $5 co-pay for doctors’ visits.


21 posted on 11/13/2013 10:24:48 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Eastern had lots of problems, not just the Unions. But the failure to accept a new reality by the unions is what eventually shut the airline.

It was worth far more in pieces, than as a going concern, in the end.


22 posted on 11/13/2013 10:25:36 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: 21twelve

If I’m Boeing, call their bluff & start packing down south..Inslee & his goons were obviously spooked enough to pass the tax breaks so unless they have more tax payer $ to bribe Boeing, ball is in their court.


23 posted on 11/13/2013 10:29:34 PM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: USNBandit
I don't remember that one, but I thought they did say they would last one day longer than the airline. Eastern Airlines, a belligerent, stupid union and bad management weren't a good combination. However, I believe all the major airlines from that time ended up in bankruptcy at least once.

(I say the union was stupid because there was no way they could replace the pay they were getting for the work they did.)

24 posted on 11/13/2013 10:37:42 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: 21twelve
"And I imagine WA state will try to make their offers better to the company and the unions."

The state already agreed to huge tax breaks for Boeing - I heard a figure of $1-2 BILLION, but I don't know how many years it would take to reach that figure. Still, a big tax cut for Boeing would be made up with a tax INCREASE somewhere else.
25 posted on 11/13/2013 11:05:05 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: 21twelve

If I were Boeing, I’d have a contingency plan all set to go to move production to other Boeing plants. I’d also make arrangements to transfer as much of its work out of Washington state to other states without these IAM pukes. Let the union strike — Boeing shuts down operations in the state and moves out completely. Screw Barry’s union thugs.


26 posted on 11/13/2013 11:15:41 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Steve_Seattle

Well, the 777x deal going to Texas or South Carolina would ALSO mean a big loss in tax revenues that will be made up somewhere else.


27 posted on 11/13/2013 11:23:39 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

In my mind I'm going to Carolina
Can't you see the sunshine,
     can't you just feel the moonshine?
Ain't it just like a friend of mine
      to hit me from behind?
Yes, I'm going to Carolina in my mind.

28 posted on 11/14/2013 12:14:08 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Even the ENGINEERS at Boeing are unionized (well, Boeing Aircraft anyway).

The last machinist’s strike at Boeing was 2006-2007 or so, and they were still feeling the effects YEARS later. .


29 posted on 11/14/2013 1:27:22 AM PST by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: USNBandit
“Full pay ‘til the last day” -Eastern Airlines labor slogan

Interesting that they don't mention "work" in that slogan.

30 posted on 11/14/2013 1:43:11 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: JennysCool

The union members think that Boeing is bluffing. They do not know how hard Obamacare has hit the corporations. They do not know how expensive these pensions when are taken in the context of the economy.


31 posted on 11/14/2013 2:07:27 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: 21twelve

Move to South Carolina, Boeing.


32 posted on 11/14/2013 2:15:40 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: MasterGunner01

It is these same unions in Washington State that lined the pockets of the Washington State Democrats. It is these pension programs that the unions use as a slush fund for their donation money to Democrat politicians. The unions in Washington State pay people to man the phone banks, walk the precincts, make the political signs and all the things the typical grass root volunteers do for Republicans. These are the same people who put Zer0 into office; who are now suffering the consequences in their benefits package because of Obamacare.

If Boeing production goes the South Carolina, it is the Democrat ass kissing unions that have themselves to blame.


33 posted on 11/14/2013 2:21:56 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Rodamala

Funny. Use a communist to promote capitalism...

34 posted on 11/14/2013 2:47:51 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: jonrick46; All
The union members think that Boeing is bluffing. They do not know how hard Obamacare has hit the corporations. They do not know how expensive these pensions when are taken in the context of the economy.

Do your due-diligence on this. Former Boeing looked over employee Alan Mulally now Ford CEO is diligently working to totally remove the pension Liability from their balance sheet by funding aggressively and or Buy-Outs.

Boeing screwed up by not promoting Alan, Ford's gain, but it is times like this I bet they wish they had him back....

35 posted on 11/14/2013 2:59:21 AM PST by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: 21twelve
Not sure what happens now. It sounds like the unions figure Boeing will negotiate. But I’ve read too where some think that Boeing will start negotiations with other state’s to see what their options are (tax breaks, etc.) And I imagine WA state will try to make their offers better to the company and the unions.

And Holder and Obama and Reid and Pelosi will be out front as the Feds bring suits/edicts that they cannot relocate because of the suffering it will cause - sometimes they think suffering is bad; other times it is the goal...

36 posted on 11/14/2013 4:31:29 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Rodamala
OMG, is that Steve Ballmer?!?

Here's a better image, at least the one I remember:


37 posted on 11/14/2013 4:42:10 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: 21twelve

They have torn down the renton plant where Boeing built the famous B-17,B29,B47,B52.No history left to keep them there.Time to move south Boeing.


38 posted on 11/14/2013 4:43:19 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: 21twelve
good... now move the plant to a right to work state!!!

39 posted on 11/14/2013 4:45:30 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Greed is an element but timing is the key. The union must go for broke while Obama is president. If the union can not bully Boeing with the current contract negotiations, it will lose out until the next round.


40 posted on 11/14/2013 4:49:21 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Chode

Yep. Move the factory to... San Antonio or something


41 posted on 11/14/2013 4:52:56 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: taildragger
Due-diligence? I can't believe I wrote that second sentence as badly as I did. You have to know what the meaning of “are” is, to coin a phrase.

Seriously, I watched the late KIRO TV breaking news on the rejection of the Boeing contract. The members were hopping mad at Boeing. It shows how much they have been inflamed by the union rhetoric. They think this is a bluff by Boeing, so they are going to stand their ground. I believe they are taking a big risk. Boeing has already built a new plants: St. Louis, Missouri, and Charleston, South Carolina. Both have great locations to port facilities.

Seattle is a great port facility, however, the transportation to and from the port is horrible. The politicians in Washington State's capitol think highway construction will only benefit those pesky cars. Between the environmentalists and the unions, the cost of highways is sky high and takes forever to build. I bet St. Louis and Charleston have great highways.

There is a black cloud hoovering over rainy Washington State. If Boeing moves out, the economy will be hit hard. The nitwits in Olympia (the state capitol) have no clue what the real consequences will be. To me it will be the result of the liberal politicians who will have sold the State of Washington down the river. If they think their tax revenue is hurting now, wait until there are no Boeing workers to provide the state sales tax (which is one of the highest in the nation) and the property taxes.

42 posted on 11/14/2013 4:57:24 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: 21twelve

I talked with a gal from Boeing yesterday who has been there for years. She said it was more than likely going to be a “no” vote.

Maybe it’s time to re-open the Wichita, KS plant. Yeah, that’s the ticket!


43 posted on 11/14/2013 5:43:22 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Once again there goes odumbo’s un-employment numbers as Boeing shuts down their Washington site and moves it somewhere else. Yes, their will be new jobs later.


44 posted on 11/14/2013 6:03:07 AM PST by Progov
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To: Progov

“Once again there goes odumbo’s un-employment numbers as Boeing shuts down their Washington site and moves it somewhere else. Yes, their will be new jobs later.”

Boeing’s South Carolina 787 plant is not as good as many think:
http://home.foni.net/~kuttersegeln/aerostuff/deldateslog.png
(mind the logarithmic scale)

Developing a new product in a new factory with new workers may work for some plastic toys but I doubt I will be a success for an aircraft.

The workers are greedy? Who at Boeing is more greedy than the top management?


45 posted on 11/14/2013 7:31:39 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: MHalblaub

That chart is misleading. Union member are you? The 787 in Charleston started a year later, yet, it is keeping pace for growth every bit as much as the union shop.

Let’s not forget the union shop thwarts all communication, training, and other essential business operations against all non-union shops.


46 posted on 11/14/2013 7:38:40 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: raybbr
Funny. Use a communist to promote capitalism...

I know... subtle, aren't I?
BWHAHAHAHAHA!

47 posted on 11/14/2013 7:44:53 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: MHalblaub

note the logarithmic scale AND the time offset.


48 posted on 11/14/2013 7:54:02 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: 21twelve

It appears they would prefer to have no pay for no jobs.


49 posted on 11/14/2013 9:42:33 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Rodamala

“note the logarithmic scale AND the time offset.”

The Everett plant “delivered” the first 10 aircraft within 2 years. The Charlston plant did need 3 years to deliver 10 aircraft and all the early dirty little problems were already solved.

I neither work for a union nor I’m a member of one.


50 posted on 11/14/2013 11:40:16 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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