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Boy dies in fire after cops tase dad during rescue
ABC Locale ^ | November 08, 2013

Posted on 11/14/2013 7:27:50 AM PST by Gamecock

Police officers in the city of Louisiana, Missouri used the stun gun to stop Ryan Miller after he kicked in a front door and tried to enter his house to rescue his 3-year-old stepson, Riley.

Officers on the scene felt it was too dangerous to let anybody go in. ...Miller was tased three times, then handcuffed and thrown in the back of a police car.

The boy's body was eventually found 12 to 15 feet from the front door.

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1 posted on 11/14/2013 7:27:50 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
Did he get a rectal search, to make sure he wasn't hiding drugs?


2 posted on 11/14/2013 7:28:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Gamecock

I thought fire fighters rescued people. Were the cops there before the fire dept?


3 posted on 11/14/2013 7:29:33 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Gamecock

Read about this several days ago. Tragic.


4 posted on 11/14/2013 7:31:37 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Gamecock

So he willingly puts his life in danger as most dads would without even a thought, and the cops tase him to ‘protect his life’ and let the kid die.

Leave us the (’intercourse’) alone! Let us live our lives! We don’t need the armed extension of the government preventing us from protecting our kids.


5 posted on 11/14/2013 7:31:45 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Gamecock

God help us, that poor man.


6 posted on 11/14/2013 7:32:05 AM PST by dangus
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To: Gamecock

Something similar happened in San Francisco:

There was a suicide attempt drowning in the bay within reach of the shore. Fire and paramedics stood and watched as the union rules and saftey guidelines prevented fire/paramedics from effecting a rescue. The water rescue supposedly fell under the jurisdiction of the Coast Guard. A bystander entered the water and brought the man to shore where paramedics treated him the suicide attempt. The rescuer was cited and I believe arrested for swimmng in an unauthorized area.


7 posted on 11/14/2013 7:34:01 AM PST by rey
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To: Gamecock

This was posted a week ago.


8 posted on 11/14/2013 7:34:11 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: autumnraine
According to the original reportage from the local affiliate, the police and fire got there within seconds of each other.

The firemen, in gear, decided that it was too dangerous to attempt rescue.

The man was tased because he tried to rush past the firemen into the blaze without equipment.

The police prevented him from effectively committing suicide.

9 posted on 11/14/2013 7:35:26 AM PST by wideawake
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To: I want the USA back
So he willingly puts his life in danger as most dads would without even a thought, and the cops tase him to ‘protect his life’ and let the kid die.

In other words, you would prefer that he was dead and that his wife were a widow and his other child fatherless?

By the way, the only people who let the child die were the stepfather and the the child's mother - they fled the house and left the child inside.

By the time police and fire arrived, the child was already dead.

10 posted on 11/14/2013 7:37:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Gamecock

That is so disgusting, I am speechless.


11 posted on 11/14/2013 7:38:37 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: I want the USA back

I was trying to give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Better one death than two.

My husband furiously quashed that. “It’s my right, as a husband and a father, to die for my family. Period.”


12 posted on 11/14/2013 7:41:22 AM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Agreed. A horrible situation for all concerned. Just sad.


13 posted on 11/14/2013 7:42:18 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Travis McGee

Looks like you’re trying to incite the Badge Bunnies and Holster Sniffers.


14 posted on 11/14/2013 7:43:50 AM PST by redfreedom (GOP = Vichy colaborators at best, traitorous 5th Columnists at worst.)
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To: Marie
My husband furiously quashed that. “It’s my right, as a husband and a father, to die for my family. Period.”

He wasn't dying for his family - he was dying just to die.

His living family at that moment was his wife and his other child, and he was hurting them by running into that fire, not helping.

While I acknowledge that this man, and also your husband, may allow their emotions to prevail over their better judgement, for your sake and his family's sake it's good that an observer with better judgment is sometimes able to intervene.

15 posted on 11/14/2013 7:47:00 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Gamecock

When was , “Talking to Citizens” ,removed from Police Officers training and replaced with shoot first


16 posted on 11/14/2013 7:47:16 AM PST by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: redfreedom

The latently brutal and bad police are getting out of control, literally, which is always seen during every slide down into tyranny.


17 posted on 11/14/2013 7:48:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: redfreedom; Travis McGee
The fact that the guy who stopped him from burning himself to death is a cop is really beside the point.

What decent human being - whether he has a badge or a holster or not - stands around and watches a guy burn himself to death in front of his wife?

18 posted on 11/14/2013 7:49:54 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Gamecock

Too bad the guy didn’t have a dog....the cops would have busted in lookng to shoot the dog and would have found the kid...


19 posted on 11/14/2013 7:51:28 AM PST by Popman
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To: wideawake

In a free society, shouldn’t the decision as to whether a father’s love for his son is worth dieing for lie with the father and not with the government?


20 posted on 11/14/2013 7:52:24 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: rey

Nice,

I had a similar exerience. on my old property there was a creek, it flooded. Ajacent to my property was a bridge, this was flooded too. Some fool tryed to cross the bridge and his car got stuck. The water was about knee deep at this time and he was in his car when I found him. I got my long tow rope and hooked it my truck and then started to wade out to hook it to his car and pull him in, when the cops showed up. Car was maybe 50 feet away. The cop flipped out and threatened me with arrest and I backed down. We then waited until the fire departement show up. They then waited for the river rescue team to show up. they then debated the way to get him. meanwhile the river kept rising and rushing, he was now sitting on top of his car. finally they took a rope tied it to the firetruck extended the ladder into the the river and climbed on the ladder out to him and brought him back. There must have been 25 people there, a fire truck, river rescue craft. and several cops on both sides of the creek and about an hour after my attempt they finally got him out. Car was totaled.


21 posted on 11/14/2013 7:52:27 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Mr. Lucky
In a free society, shouldn’t the decision as to whether a father’s love for his son is worth dieing for lie with the father and not with the government?

In a free society, every individual is free.

Which means that the guy who ran out of a burning house and abandoned his child should feel free to "make it better" by running back into the fire to die with the corpse of the child he left behind.

At the same time, the police officer - who is also a free individual - should feel free to follow his conscience and prevent a lunatic from committing suicide.

If the forgetful stepfather is a free man so is the cop.

22 posted on 11/14/2013 7:56:08 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Yeah, except the cop is there as the agent of the government while the father was there in his role as a father. According to your hypothesis, a government agent is as free to bludgeon a private citizen as that citizen is to save his child.

If the father is wrong in trying to save his child, he pays with his life; if the government agent is wrong, the child pays with his life and the cop gets to go home at the end of his shift.

23 posted on 11/14/2013 8:03:13 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: wideawake

The thugs with badges that you carry water for can feel free to stop doing the rest of us favors any time they like.


24 posted on 11/14/2013 8:07:20 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: wideawake
His living family at that moment was his wife and his other child, and he was hurting them by running into that fire, not helping.

While I acknowledge that this man, and also your husband, may allow their emotions to prevail over their better judgement, for your sake and his family's sake it's good that an observer with better judgment is sometimes able to intervene.

None of us commenting on this, here on this thread, were there, so none of us know EXACTLY the circumstances. It may well be that the officer did the right thing, and it may well be that he did the wrong thing. We here cannot judge that, as you have. However, I do not believe that in a free society the State should be taking choices like this away from people. We have the right to be wrong, and to bear the consequences thereof.

25 posted on 11/14/2013 8:09:39 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: wideawake

“By the time police and fire arrived, the child was already dead.”

I must have missed this in the article.

I did do a Google on this subject and found several articles, some details conflicting, but did find:

“Ryan said his son was still breathing when officials carried him out of the house, which means that for the last few moments of Riely’s life, his dad was sitting in a jail cell.”

at:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dad-tasered-save-son-burning-home-article-1.1509707

Now from this threads article:

“The boy’s body was eventually found 12 to 15 feet from the front door.

“How they all just stood around and waited for the fire department, what kind of police officer wouldn’t try to save a 3-year-old burning in a house?” Emily Miller said.”

I would say the father made a pretty good judgement call to begin with, and the cops, with no donuts to eat or dogs to shoot decided this guy would be good targe practice.


26 posted on 11/14/2013 8:10:51 AM PST by redfreedom (GOP = Vichy colaborators at best, traitorous 5th Columnists at worst.)
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To: Orangedog

That cop would suffer for the rest of his life if he prevented me from trying to save my son...I promise that.............................


27 posted on 11/14/2013 8:12:24 AM PST by Boonie
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To: rey

Everything is so upside down....God help us!


28 posted on 11/14/2013 8:13:35 AM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Yeah, except the cop is there as the agent of the government

So if you are a government employee you cannot act according to your conscience?

Explain why that makes sense.

29 posted on 11/14/2013 8:14:25 AM PST by wideawake
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To: redfreedom; wideawake

WA...hope you’re having fun making pals here today

lol


30 posted on 11/14/2013 8:15:35 AM PST by wardaddy (we have their bare throats....no time to go wobbly.....destroy them)
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To: Orangedog
The thugs with badges that you carry water for can feel free to stop doing the rest of us favors any time they like.

So if you were there, you would have stood by and watched this man run into a blazing fire?

31 posted on 11/14/2013 8:15:40 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
I have a friend in Phenix City, Alabama who arrived home from work to see his home in flames with his young children and wife out but his mother still inside. He crawled inside over broken glass and below a thick blanket of smoke carrying only a flashlight and retrieved his mother who suffered from severe burns and smoke inhalation.

When it was noted that he went inside while the pros did not he said, “it was not their Mama inside.”

32 posted on 11/14/2013 8:16:25 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Ancesthntr
We here cannot judge that, as you have.

So your position is that no one, besides myself, has expressed a judgment on the thread?

I do not believe that in a free society the State should be taking choices like this away from people.

I agree. Just because the cop was a state employee, it does not mean that he should not do what he thought was right.

Do you think it's a good idea to just watch a man commit suicide and do nothing about it?

33 posted on 11/14/2013 8:18:01 AM PST by wideawake
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To: redfreedom

The more stories I read about police, the more it convinces me that many of them are just a bunch of thugs!


34 posted on 11/14/2013 8:19:29 AM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: wideawake
Because in a free society, the individual is sovereign.

If a neighbor, who wasn't acting with the power and authority of the government, had tasered and then shackled the father, he would be facing a book full of felony charges (actually, in my neighborhood he would have been killed by other neighbors). A government employee has even less moral authority in such a situation than a neighbor.

35 posted on 11/14/2013 8:20:14 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: redfreedom
You realize that the linked report is claiming, simultaneously, that

(1) Ryan knows that the child was still breathing when taken from the house

(2) Ryan was not at the scene when the child was taken from the house.

The operative phrase in that the linked report is: "Ryan said."

I'm sure he did.

36 posted on 11/14/2013 8:21:39 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Mr. Lucky
Because in a free society, the individual is sovereign.

Not really. In a free society an individual has inalienable rights. There is no right to "sovereignty" - sovereignty is a revocable privilege conferred by the agreement of free individuals.

A government employee has even less moral authority in such a situation than a neighbor.

On what grounds, exactly?

37 posted on 11/14/2013 8:25:28 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Monterrosa-24
His children are very fortunate that it was not their grandmother and their father that they buried.

Good for him and for them.

38 posted on 11/14/2013 8:27:46 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Ancesthntr
We have the right to be wrong, and to bear bury the consequences thereof.

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just a little edit.

Cops are not firefighters nor first responders, if you will. They hold a more special place in our society.

But to ask a parent to , No , force a parent to stand down while his young is in peril..

No, it's not easy to be right .. or wrong.

39 posted on 11/14/2013 8:30:18 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: diamond6

The more stories I read about police, the more it convinces me that many of them are just a bunch of thugs!”

Thank you.

I never had this attitude myself until I lived under the tyranny of a couple of bad cops. It’s pointless to go into details, but this sort of person lives in all societies, and the society of Nazi Germany made good use of them in the SS and Gestapo.


40 posted on 11/14/2013 8:34:35 AM PST by redfreedom (GOP = Vichy colaborators at best, traitorous 5th Columnists at worst.)
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To: wardaddy

My wife is on her second bag of popcorn.


41 posted on 11/14/2013 8:36:48 AM PST by redfreedom (GOP = Vichy colaborators at best, traitorous 5th Columnists at worst.)
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To: wideawake
Nobody is as obtuse as you pretend to be.

The child is the father's, not the police officer's, not the government's.

42 posted on 11/14/2013 8:40:29 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: wideawake

This whole circumstance reminds me of a situation in a war.

Had the dad been a soldier in WWII and he had a buddy in a burning building and he tried to get him out he would be up for the Medal of Honor, dead or alive.

Had the soldiers’ commanding officer prevented the soldier from the rescue attempt, he would lose the respect of his men.

The dad did the right thing. I would have done the same thing. I would do ANYTHING for my child, and freely give my life for even a .005% chance that my child could survive.

Not acknowledging that most parents feel that way makes you look like a fool.


43 posted on 11/14/2013 8:42:41 AM PST by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Orangedog

Plus he’ll probably get a bill from the fire dept for their ‘services’ - yikes since when can they do that since it is already a tax-payer funded service?!?!


44 posted on 11/14/2013 8:52:13 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: wideawake

We could play on words and conflicts in reporting all day long, such as:

“Ryan knows that the child was still breathing” could be interpreted as Ryan knew this because a witness told him. But this would be just as much conjecture as knowing the child was already dead.

But what is not in conflict is the fact that the cops stopped a father from saving his son.


45 posted on 11/14/2013 8:54:33 AM PST by redfreedom (GOP = Vichy colaborators at best, traitorous 5th Columnists at worst.)
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To: wideawake

“By the way, the only people who let the child die were the stepfather and the the child’s mother - they fled the house and left the child inside.”

The boy was in a front room, they had to exit by the back door. The father then attempted to enter through the front door ... only about 12 feet from his son.

“By the time police and fire arrived, the child was already dead.”

Wrong.


46 posted on 11/14/2013 8:59:54 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: wideawake

I suspect a shameful episode in your past.


47 posted on 11/14/2013 9:02:40 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: wideawake
He wasn't dying for his family - he was dying just to die. His living family at that moment was his wife and his other child, and he was hurting them by running into that fire, not helping. While I acknowledge that this man, and also your husband, may allow their emotions to prevail over their better judgement, for your sake and his family's sake it's good that an observer with better judgment is sometimes able to intervene.

My position would be "My life is MY property, to be expended in whatever manner I choose".

48 posted on 11/14/2013 9:02:57 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Gamecock
The local police are not our friends.
Used to be - not any more.
I feel badly for the ones that are well-meaning, but my default position is now "stranger danger" when it comes to cops.
49 posted on 11/14/2013 9:04:59 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: wideawake
So if you were there, you would have stood by and watched this man run into a blazing fire?

Yes. His life belongs to him. If he wants to risk it in an effort, no matter how futile, to save his child that is his right.

50 posted on 11/14/2013 9:12:55 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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