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(Live Thread) Obama will allow insurance companies to extend current plans [Lie Thread]
Los Angeles Times ^ | 11/14/2013 | Lisa Mascaro

Posted on 11/14/2013 8:49:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: JoanneSD

Obama does not have the authority to do this as he did not have the authority to give some companies and unions exemptions. Those policies have been canceled. They no longer exist.

This is political Cover Your Ass. When the insurance companies do not renew the discontinued policies he will wage a political war of rhetoric against the Insurance Companies. Their game plan is, “its not my fault.”


51 posted on 11/14/2013 9:01:37 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: pepsionice
Usually, you’d have two or three months to toss the numbers around and reach a conclusion over next year’s rates.

That's what I figured -- months to do it.

In the meantime people's plans are expiring.

I agree, it would be a big administrative mess.

52 posted on 11/14/2013 9:01:42 AM PST by MUDDOG
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To: SeekAndFind
“Save the dems ass in the ‘14 mid-terms, support Health Care befuddlement, its only your life and finances democrats are playing with anyway, #got insurance”
53 posted on 11/14/2013 9:01:47 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is half an hour late for his press conference. He’s probably in the bathroom waiting for the Imodium to kick in...


54 posted on 11/14/2013 9:02:10 AM PST by Kenton
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To: GeronL

Illegal for one year then everyone is screwed again after he re elects democrats.

Rotten bastard.


55 posted on 11/14/2013 9:02:20 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Blame insurance companies. Thats exactly the purpose.

All these insurance companies have spent millions to conform. They can’t undo what Obama forced on them.

The US government is at war with its own people.


56 posted on 11/14/2013 9:02:28 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: SeekAndFind
President Obama will allow...

Makes my stomach retch.

57 posted on 11/14/2013 9:03:14 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: GOPJ

Precisely my point. It’s quite maddening.


58 posted on 11/14/2013 9:03:30 AM PST by EEGator
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To: SeekAndFind

.... The Prez with a fez is almost a half hour late .... bet he is waiting for Rush to start his show in order to have it pre-empted.


59 posted on 11/14/2013 9:03:46 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: SMARTY

You bet.


60 posted on 11/14/2013 9:03:57 AM PST by MUDDOG
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To: griswold3

So what happens if you insurance company offers you the chance to go back to your old plan, even if you have paid for the new plan?
Will they offer that option to people who have already enrolled and paid for the new plan, or will it be offered to those who have not?


61 posted on 11/14/2013 9:04:19 AM PST by rawhide
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To: SeekAndFind

This guy looks like he just got beaten...


62 posted on 11/14/2013 9:04:22 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: FreedomGuru

He is not, nor has never been my choice. However he was and still is the choice of 47% of the voters and the Democrats are capable of stealing enough to make 51% when it gets that close.


63 posted on 11/14/2013 9:04:35 AM PST by sport
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To: SeekAndFind

Under what authority does the President (ANY President) have to simply “modify” laws which were passed by Congress? I mean, without having to go BACK to Congress to get these changes codified into an actual LAW?

I mean, as written, these insurance companies can NOT just make wholesale changes because a President said, “Okay, just do it!” They could be held liable, REGARDLESS of what the President said!

The first person who keeps his old plan, then has some medical condition which is NOT covered under the old plan, but WOULD BE covered under an Obamacare plan, has a very STRONG legal leg with which to beat the insurance company to death!

And when the insurance companies say, “The President said it was okay.” The courts are going to FORCE the insurance companies to pay and will probably award damages, because the LAW says they MUST comply!

If I was the insurance companies, I would say, “NO EFFING WAY are we going to operate on the word of a KNOWN LIAR!” Because it will be THEIR asses that pay, not The Won!


64 posted on 11/14/2013 9:04:43 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Paulie
Good point.

There are industry consultants though who have been speaking out.

65 posted on 11/14/2013 9:05:44 AM PST by MUDDOG
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To: sappy

“Cruz was right, we need to delay this for a year. Sorry about the shutdown.”


66 posted on 11/14/2013 9:06:19 AM PST by boycott
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To: SeekAndFind

He should know that not even the Emperor can unring a bell.


67 posted on 11/14/2013 9:06:27 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Ann Archy

Unbelievable, isn’t it.


68 posted on 11/14/2013 9:06:33 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SeekAndFind

President Obama will allow insurance companies to continue offering individual health plans....

From where does he get this power?


69 posted on 11/14/2013 9:07:17 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ted Cruz was RIGHT.


70 posted on 11/14/2013 9:07:52 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: SeekAndFind
What we said when we said what we said was that if you like your plan you can keep your plan till the next election. Period.
71 posted on 11/14/2013 9:08:07 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (posted a total of 2,382 threads and 20,000 replies)
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To: SeekAndFind

And what gives him the legal authority to chang a law written by congress?

Oh, that’s right. He is our King, not President.


72 posted on 11/14/2013 9:08:32 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: mountainlion

Insurance companies have done enough to drag themselves through the mud without anyone else doing it.


73 posted on 11/14/2013 9:08:38 AM PST by AnAmericanInEngland
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To: rawhide

I was wondering that also. And in the case of our group plan the final paperwork hasn’t been signed so there are going to be employees who want to go back and those who don’t.


74 posted on 11/14/2013 9:08:51 AM PST by erlayman
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To: SeekAndFind

obamacommunism


75 posted on 11/14/2013 9:09:20 AM PST by onedoug
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To: MUDDOG
You'll never get the straight skinny from THOSE guys!!
76 posted on 11/14/2013 9:10:06 AM PST by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: erlayman

I wonder if this decree extends to groups plans or just individuals?


77 posted on 11/14/2013 9:10:22 AM PST by rawhide
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To: SeekAndFind

What happened to “It’s the law, deal with it?” How many modifications has Obama written into this law after it was passed?


78 posted on 11/14/2013 9:11:10 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: SeekAndFind

Would someone explain how he can direct health insurance companies to reinstate plans that have already been cancelled? Is this another GM and Chrysler?


79 posted on 11/14/2013 9:11:15 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ilgipper

I hope for two things.

That the insurance companies lose their behinds in this deal because they jumped on the obumbler care band wagon only because they thought they would be on a gravy train at our expense.

The other thing I hope for, probably without any chance:

Is that congress will insist that the only way to get out of this mess is to repeal obumbler care and go at the problem from the standpoint of free choice and free enterprise, with a good dose of charity for those really in need.

Not likely, but the only right way.


80 posted on 11/14/2013 9:11:33 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: PA-RIVER

81 posted on 11/14/2013 9:11:54 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: SeekAndFind

Forever, not 1 year, not 2 years.

And eliminate the individual mandate which is illegal and unconstitutional. And eliminate the employer mandate which is illegal and unconstitutional.


82 posted on 11/14/2013 9:12:06 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What the h#&* is he rambling on about.


83 posted on 11/14/2013 9:12:16 AM PST by matt04
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To: Cheerio

He can’t...PERIOD!


84 posted on 11/14/2013 9:12:23 AM PST by Dog (Founding member of the Osama Bin Laden was alive the whole time club..)
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To: Wiser now

“He will “allow it”? By whose permission will he do that? Another executive order?”

Exactly!! FU Emperor Obama!


85 posted on 11/14/2013 9:13:02 AM PST by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: I want the USA back

Did that FOOL just say, “Drag us back into a broken system”?

What the F*** is ObamaCare? a Functioning system?

WTH OVER!


86 posted on 11/14/2013 9:13:16 AM PST by BookaT
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To: SeekAndFind; All

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

Live feed while waiting for Senate


87 posted on 11/14/2013 9:13:17 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

“President Obama will allow ...”

Huh? Under what authority can he “allow” anything?


88 posted on 11/14/2013 9:13:26 AM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A truly Machiavellian move. The King “allows”, but ins. Co’s can’t do it.

He is now blameless. Ins. Co’s are evil.

So, we must outlaw them & go to single payer.


89 posted on 11/14/2013 9:14:27 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Theo

Has 0Dictator now nationalized the health insurance companies??


90 posted on 11/14/2013 9:14:38 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: BookaT

Is he on drugs? I’m serious.


91 posted on 11/14/2013 9:15:03 AM PST by matt04
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To: SeekAndFind

Shouldn’t this be called a Lie Thread?


92 posted on 11/14/2013 9:15:05 AM PST by Fair Paul
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To: All

Fox News stream after a long commercial

http://live.foxnews.com/#/2555052454001


93 posted on 11/14/2013 9:15:26 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Theo
RE: Huh? Under what authority can he “allow” anything?


94 posted on 11/14/2013 9:15:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

In otherwards they are being extended until right after the next years elections.


96 posted on 11/14/2013 9:16:16 AM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: Wiser now
He will “allow it”? By whose permission will he do that? Another executive order? No. Repeal and replace. Nothing less. Now.

Prior to Obama, executive orders were limited to the management and administration of the various executive offices and departments. Since health insurance companies are not part of the executive branch (at least not yet), King Obamna has no authority to unilaterally dictate what insurance comapanies can and cannot due. The big question then is whether there is something in the Obamcare law that gives Obama legal authority to dictate this change in the law. Since no one has actually read the entire Obamacare Act and the resulting regulations, I'm not sure anyone can even answer this question with any degree of certainty. A regulatory change, however, would require many months to accomplish given the publication and public comment requirements.

97 posted on 11/14/2013 9:16:19 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Theo

Rush Limbaugh: “He has declared war against the insurance companies and made it impossible for them to do business. He reiterated the original lie. He is acting like a dictator. This pre-empts the Upton bill which serves as a potential trap for the Republicans. This is an absolute swampt and minefield.”


98 posted on 11/14/2013 9:16:32 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Filibustering with 8 minute answers.


99 posted on 11/14/2013 9:17:46 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (WAR EAGLE!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

woops: swamp


100 posted on 11/14/2013 9:17:56 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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