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Parents found guilty of murder after SECOND child dies from pneumonia
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 14 November 2013 | DAILY MAIL REPORTER and ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTER

Posted on 11/14/2013 6:25:39 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Parents found guilty of murder after SECOND child dies from pneumonia because they prayed instead of seeking medical attention

A Philadelphia couple were found guilty of the third-degree murder of their son after pleading 'no contest today. Herbert and Catherine Schaible's 7-month-old son Brandon died last April 18 from dehydration and pneumonia when his parents decided to pray for him to get better rather than seek medical attention. At the time, the Schaibles were on 10-year probation for their 2-year-old son Kent's similar death in 2009. The terms of their probation required the Schaibles to seek medical attention any time one of their seven surviving children got sick.The fundamentalist Christian couple will face sentencing February 19 for their crime. 'I can't even imagine being a mother myself, what was happening,' Philadelphia prosecutor Joanne Pescatore said. 'The sheer pain and the stress that that child was in. When a parent can actually say that his breathing was worsening and he was fussy and whiny and crying and still, at that point, not calling anyone for help, it's just unbelievable to me - and totally foreseeable (that he died).' About a dozen U.S. children die each year when parents turn to faith healing instead of medicine, typically from highly treatable problems, according to experts.

Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams said the care was never given and decided to bring murder charges against the couple. Their remaining children have been placed in foster care. ‘He is incarcerated because of his faith,’ said lawyer Bobby Hoof in May when the couple was ordered held without bail. He described client Herbert Schaible's mindset as resolute.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; philadelphia; religion
WHEN GOD DOESN'T ANSWER: THE CASUALTIES OF FAITH-HEALING It is estimated that around a dozen U.S. children die in faith-healing cases each year, a handful of which spawn criminal charges, according to experts. The First Century Gospel Church of Philadelphia’s teachings has clashed with authorities in the past. In 1991, eight children died in a measles outbreak. All the parents were members of either First Century Gospel Church or the nearby Faith Tabernacle of Nicetown which also preaches faith-healing. In 2011, Dale and Shannon Hickman of Oregon were sentenced to 75 months in prison after turning to faith healing to say their premature newborn, which was born in a family home, died from complications that could have easily been averted with medical care. Also in Oregon, Jeff and Marci Beagley, were sentenced to 16 months in 2010 for the death of their 16-year-old son. The couple refused to use medicine for their son Neil, who was suffering from a preventable urinary tract blockage. Instead, they prayed and used anointing oils in the hope of divine intervention. 'Too many children have died unnecessarily - a graveyard full,' Judge Steven Maurer said at their sentencing. 'This has to stop.' Oregon has since banned faith healing as a defense against murder charges.

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1 posted on 11/14/2013 6:25:40 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

sound like a hoax to me. Only a left winger would think a fundamentalist Christian would be stupid enough to simply pray for child to get better without going to the doctor first


2 posted on 11/14/2013 6:28:37 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: moonshinner_09

Murder?

Negligent homicide at most.

Just my opinion.


3 posted on 11/14/2013 6:30:58 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: 4rcane

It plays to your stereotype too perfectly, which defy common sense, which makes me think its more likely a hoax than not


4 posted on 11/14/2013 6:34:33 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

There are actually Christians who believe that if you or someone you care for dies it’s because of a lack of faith. They’re stupid. I have always been told “Pray and go to the doctor”.


5 posted on 11/14/2013 6:35:43 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: 4rcane

It happens. Here in Oregon there have been both tragic deaths and near misses. What I don’t understand is where these beliefs have come from and for so long. Fifty years ago, there were more such instances. Two children in the Arizona town I came from died unnecessarily some sixty years ago. The charges were manslaughter as I recall. The parents were emotionally devastated but their misguided beliefs brought the tragedy on.


6 posted on 11/14/2013 6:37:36 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: 4rcane

“sound like a hoax to me. Only a left winger would think a fundamentalist Christian would be stupid enough to simply pray for child to get better without going to the doctor first”

From 2010:

http://articles.philly.com/2010-12-11/news/25293003_1_faith-healing-faith-and-prayer-dental-care


7 posted on 11/14/2013 6:41:04 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: 4rcane
Not a hoax. A sect in Oregon has had many run ins with the law over faith healing.

Oregon faith-healing parents fight to get baby back, face criminal charges (photo)

The Oregonian

8 posted on 11/14/2013 6:41:20 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The are the “God will provide” bunch, which, I beleive, can happen on occasion (The Lord Moves in Mysterious ways).
However, the best thing I have ever heard a Clergyman tell me was:

“Faith moves mountains, bring a shovel”.

I’ve always remembered that.


9 posted on 11/14/2013 6:41:42 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: moonshinner_09

Did it ever occur to them that taking the child to a doctor might be God’s answer?


10 posted on 11/14/2013 6:45:16 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
There are actually Christians who believe that if you or someone you care for dies it’s because of a lack of faith. They’re stupid. I have always been told “Pray and go to the doctor”.

Are they the ones who will say he/she is now in a better place, yet they grieve?

11 posted on 11/14/2013 6:50:33 PM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Nope, they’re bat poop crazy.


12 posted on 11/14/2013 6:51:45 PM PST by EEGator
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To: JimSEA

Isn’t that, in essence, Mary Baker Eddy’s Christian Science?


13 posted on 11/14/2013 6:51:58 PM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: GrouchoTex
Absolutely. God uses situations too. You never know who will be blessed, maybe a doctor, someone that you meet in a hospital or doctors office. God can use anything but you have to be willing. Healing is not an "either prayer OR a doctor". It's both. God may want to bless the doctor by using you.
14 posted on 11/14/2013 6:53:50 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: luvbach1

Believers grieve because when someone dies they leave an empty place in your life. We know they are in perfect Heaven but we’re still here.


15 posted on 11/14/2013 6:55:26 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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16 posted on 11/14/2013 6:55:43 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: luvbach1

It was in fact, in Superior, AZ at least.


17 posted on 11/14/2013 6:57:09 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: DJ MacWoW

That was a good answer in your post #15.


18 posted on 11/14/2013 6:58:42 PM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: JimSEA

“I don’t understand is where these beliefs have come from”

Until the use of antibiotics there wasn’t much difference in results between prayer and a doctor for treating diseases.


19 posted on 11/14/2013 6:59:48 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: luvbach1

Thank you. I pay attention at our church group. That made sense. We also discussed that death is not natural. Man was never meant to die.


20 posted on 11/14/2013 7:06:02 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: mrsmith

You’re right of course.


21 posted on 11/14/2013 7:06:29 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: moonshinner_09

I don’t understand Christian Scientists IF this report is true. God gave us the ability to treat our medical problems, it’s not perfect because man is not perfect. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with praying but go to the Doctor.

Others on this thread have doubted the ‘accuracy’ of this report and I have to agree with them. It’s a perfect example of how the pagans view Christians. It would have been fine if they’d sacrificed something to Gaia; even celebrated.

It’s like Steve Jobs, he wanted to do that hippy diet for 9 months, fine, but follow your doctor’s recommendations too and he paid the ultimate price.


22 posted on 11/14/2013 7:35:29 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: moonshinner_09
A religious man is on top of a roof during a great flood. A man comes by in a boat and says "get in, get in!" The religous man replies, " no I have faith in God, he will grant me a miracle."

Later the water is up to his waist and another boat comes by and the guy tells him to get in again. He responds that he has faith in god and god will give him a miracle. With the water at about chest high, another boat comes to rescue him, but he turns down the offer again cause "God will grant him a miracle."

With the water at chin high, a helicopter throws down a ladder and they tell him to get in, mumbling with the water in his mouth, he again turns down the request for help for the faith of God. He arrives at the gates of heaven with broken faith and says to Peter, I thought God would grand me a miracle and I have been let down." St. Peter chuckles and responds, "I don't know what you're complaining about, we sent you three boats and a helicopter."

23 posted on 11/14/2013 7:52:02 PM PST by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Drag the parents out and have them dangling by their broken necks under rope nooses a couple of times and this will stop.


24 posted on 11/14/2013 8:50:22 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: 4rcane

Unfortunately, that is NOT the case. Have you not listened to Kenneth Copeland, Binny Hinn, Katherine Kuhlman, etc.? They deride the person who doesn’t get well for their lack of faith. You should listen to Joni Earickson-Tada’s testimony sometime.
I would not claim their churches to be fundamental. The media has done that to slander all conservative Christian churches with the same stroke. This practice in encouraged in MANY of the faith churches. Word of Faith, Health & Wealth, Name it and Claim it, etc. They are not really mainline churches, but they are mega-churches, for the most part. Creflo Dollar, etc., are some of the newer ones. Just google search and you’ll find dozens (maybe hundreds) of them.


25 posted on 11/14/2013 9:57:47 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: moonshinner_09

Why is this in “Donutwatch”?


26 posted on 11/15/2013 12:29:04 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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