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Obamacare Architect: 'Could Be the Beginning of a Death Spiral'
Weekly Standard ^ | 11/15/13 | DANIEL HALPER

Posted on 11/15/2013 7:10:40 AM PST by Evil Slayer

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1 posted on 11/15/2013 7:10:40 AM PST by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

‘Could Be...’

Ya think!!??


2 posted on 11/15/2013 7:15:09 AM PST by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: Evil Slayer

To quote a recent pilot, "WE'RE GOING DOWN !!!"

3 posted on 11/15/2013 7:15:30 AM PST by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: Evil Slayer


OK…nevermind (sorta)

4 posted on 11/15/2013 7:15:51 AM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett)
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To: Evil Slayer

Nice ear candy, I hope it’s true.


5 posted on 11/15/2013 7:15:57 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Evil Slayer

we need a Harvard Professor to play Captain Obvious?


6 posted on 11/15/2013 7:16:39 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Evil Slayer

“Is that the beginning of the so-called death spiral?”

I CERTAINLY HOPE SO!!!!!!!

Both for Obama, Obamacare and LIEberals, in general!


7 posted on 11/15/2013 7:16:49 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Evil Slayer
Obama knows Obamacare is dead but he is going to slowly dissolve it through Executive Orders that way the GOP can't get credit for killing it and it mitigates the risk the Rats have for next election.
8 posted on 11/15/2013 7:19:15 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: Evil Slayer

Obamacare case is being sent to a death panel to determine if it is worth the expense to save it.


9 posted on 11/15/2013 7:20:08 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: Evil Slayer

The beginning of the death spiral was the day it became unpopular, he is simply seeing the nose down from the flat spin and heading down. A tenured professor writing American policy is clearly why it is a disaster.


10 posted on 11/15/2013 7:20:21 AM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: Evil Slayer

Single payer here we come and too, tax the rich.


11 posted on 11/15/2013 7:21:13 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Evil Slayer
Well, let's not be too hasty here.

As unfortunate as this sounds, I think Americans ought not be shielded from some sizeable pain inflicted by Obamacare.

No one wants to see people suffer, but the hope is that there is enough suffering felt that wakes Americans up from their slumber and jars them to their senses!

Americans voted for Obama - twice - on the promise of hope and change and renewed liberalism. Let Americans feel the frontal impact of what Liberlism/Marxism really means.

Sometimes corporal punishment is warranted as a means of healthy correction.

12 posted on 11/15/2013 7:21:25 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Evil Slayer
"That could be the beginning of a death spiral," said Cutler. "That is, you could have a situation where the only people in the exchanges are very unhealthy people with very high premiums."

And so begins ObamaCare II.

13 posted on 11/15/2013 7:21:33 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: edcoil
The beginning of the death spiral was the day it became unpopular

At no point during its entire, sordid history was it EVER popular with a majority.


14 posted on 11/15/2013 7:23:23 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Evil Slayer

The turf’s first orbit of the bowl was the website rollout. The second orbit was the mass policy cancellations. Obama’s ‘fix’ is hopefully the last before it goes down the pipe.


15 posted on 11/15/2013 7:23:34 AM PST by lump in the melting pot (Half-brother is Watching You!)
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To: Graybeard58


OK …immigration reform (anyone?)

16 posted on 11/15/2013 7:23:46 AM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett)
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To: Evil Slayer

REPEAL OBAMASCARE!


17 posted on 11/15/2013 7:24:35 AM PST by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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To: Evil Slayer

We can only hope that the end of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 is nearing. The only honest part of that title is “2010”, everything else is a complete oxymoron and contradiction of reality. There is no “patient protection” and the care provided (if any) is clearly not in the affordable range.

A death spiral would be a mercy. The actual course of events will be several rescue missions sent up to spread a “safety net” which will inevitably fail and of course, a suicide squad will be sent in to try to get the perpetrators, er, victims of this failure to safety and to lift the onus of blame from them.

The impact will still be spectacular. And cause the greatest amount of damage short of a meteor strike.


18 posted on 11/15/2013 7:24:47 AM PST by alloysteel (Men may not always be capable of evil, but they are always capable of incompetence.)
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To: Graybeard58

You’ve nailed the one Silver Lining for Dems (and dark side for us).

They’ve managed to permanently expand the Medicaid rolls by at least 15%.

By manipulating the official “poverty line” I suspect they will continue to draw more and more into that program, just as they have with SNAP.


19 posted on 11/15/2013 7:24:49 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Evil Slayer
Obamacare Architect: 'Could Be the Beginning of a Death Spiral'

Sum Ting Wong .... Ho Lee Fuk

20 posted on 11/15/2013 7:25:17 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Alex Murphy
And so begins ObamaCare II.

What do you think Bill Clinton was doing? Giving his wife a SECOND CHANCE to become the Founder of American Socialized Medicine.


21 posted on 11/15/2013 7:26:17 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: OB1kNOb
we're on the same track plane (post #20) ...
22 posted on 11/15/2013 7:26:36 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
At no point during its entire, sordid history was it EVER popular with a majority.

I think the turning point was when people who were in love with the idea started finding out they hate the reality.

23 posted on 11/15/2013 7:26:40 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Obadiah
"Americans voted for Obama - twice - on the promise of hope and change and renewed liberalism. Let Americans feel the frontal impact of what Liberlism/Marxism really means."

Amen to that- people get the quality of government that they deserve. We have earned this fustercluck.

24 posted on 11/15/2013 7:27:19 AM PST by matthew fuller (Americans deserve better than an illegal alien communist from Kenya.)
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To: Obadiah

*** Sometimes corporal punishment is warranted as a means of healthy correction. ***

“The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”

- Abraham Lincoln


25 posted on 11/15/2013 7:28:04 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Evil Slayer

This is the problem with ALL collectivist schemes.
The takers sign up in droves,
and the makers have to be forced at gunpoint to join up to support them.


26 posted on 11/15/2013 7:28:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Obadiah

Agreed. Congress & Repubs need to call Obama on this latest decree.

No delays. No piecemeal changes. Repeal it entirely or strict enforcement. I favor the second so that people will learn their lesson, and kill the idea of socialism. Otherwise it will grow back.


27 posted on 11/15/2013 7:31:12 AM PST by Ray76
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To: matthew fuller

Exactly right...All those who voted for this...person...have absolutely no voice to complain...
You did this not only to yourselves, but to ALL OTHER AMERICANS......

Those of you who voted for this...person...have aided in bringing OUR country to it’s knees...

Most of the “so called” republicans in Congress have done nothing at all to try and right this sinking ship called “America”...

Conservatives MUST take back our country or we are to become a page in history very, very soon...


28 posted on 11/15/2013 7:34:32 AM PST by Boonie
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To: MrB

O-care is like a zombie movie. The sick hunger for the healthy in order to survive.


29 posted on 11/15/2013 7:36:30 AM PST by Justa
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To: Evil Slayer

Trouble is , it will bring down the economy with it.


30 posted on 11/15/2013 7:38:25 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Justa

Not just this particular socialist scheme, though -
ALL socialists schemes work out this way.

Somehow, human nature never seems to enter the equation in these supposedly superior intellectuals’ minds.


31 posted on 11/15/2013 7:38:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Obadiah

Agree 100%. Much more suffering is needed before we can put the nation on the correct trajectory.


32 posted on 11/15/2013 7:39:59 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Boonie

I envision someone holding a gun and tying a rope to a long line of people,

then jumping off a cliff.


33 posted on 11/15/2013 7:41:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Evil Slayer

And since kids can now stay on their parents’ plans until they’re 26, we have substantially reduced the pool of those much-needed ‘healthy payers’.


34 posted on 11/15/2013 7:44:46 AM PST by privatedrive
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To: Alex Murphy

It seems to me that based on the presidents statements yesterday and the egg heads statements here, what is evolving before our eyes is medicaid on steroids.

That is much of Obamacare will be trashed leaving only care for the very sick and the welfare riff raff that will replace going to the ER and paid for by all the rest, including the rich.


35 posted on 11/15/2013 7:46:00 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
we need a Harvard Professor to play Captain Obvious?

Yes we do. Sarah Palin was not educated enough to tell us about this earlier, and what has she done to educate herself since then. No, we need someone who pushed Obamacare from an Ivy League faculty belatedly trying to cover his backside before the truth really counts.
36 posted on 11/15/2013 7:50:23 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: bert
It seems to me that based on the presidents statements yesterday and the egg heads statements here, what is evolving before our eyes is medicaid on steroids.

That is much of Obamacare will be trashed leaving only care for the very sick and the welfare riff raff that will replace going to the ER and paid for by all the rest, including the rich.


Agree with your assessment, bert. After a passage of time, taxes will not be sufficient and confiscation of our properties will have to kick in.
37 posted on 11/15/2013 7:53:25 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Evil Slayer
Be careful Cutler....what you're saying here is that the free market operates more fairly than Socialism and even though every person with 2 brain cells to rub together knows that is true, you aren't supposed to go on National television and elude to it.
38 posted on 11/15/2013 7:57:41 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That is true. Also, it passed on a straight party-line vote, which is unprecedented for something so major. It was colossal arrogance for them to do this.


39 posted on 11/15/2013 8:02:55 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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Also, it passed on a straight party-line vote...

Just so no one in the future who reads this may be confused: Obamacare passed on a straight Democrat Party only party-line vote and against the loudly-expressed wishes of all rational Americans.
40 posted on 11/15/2013 8:09:11 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Evil Slayer

We had to have this law because 30 million people didn’t have health insurance. 0care is designed so that we will only have 30 million insured, payed by taxpayers.


41 posted on 11/15/2013 8:13:17 AM PST by mom.mom
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To: devolve
nevermind never mind
42 posted on 11/15/2013 8:16:37 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Evil Slayer

The administrations ace in the hole is the requirement to go in to the exchanges. Are the subsidy $$ fixed or can the govt. increase at will?


43 posted on 11/15/2013 8:17:56 AM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: Evil Slayer

“Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz previewed a new plan to repeal Obamacare and replace it with different health care reforms.

“The only way to stop the problems is to admit this idea was fundamentally flawed to begin with,” Cruz told Fox News’ Megyn Kelly. “At this point, starting over, stopping Obamacare, is the essence of pragmatism.”

Cruz’s approach differs from some congressional Republicans and Democrats who are working to pass a bill delaying the Obamacare individual mandate or help Americans keep their current health care plans.

Cruz said that he would release a bill to empower Americans to purchase health insurance across state lines, creating a “true national market.” Insurance can only be purchased intra-state at present.

“In the coming weeks, I intend to layout a plan to provide exactly that, a plan to repeal Obamacare altogether and at the same time expand options for five million-plus people, who have lost their health insurance and 300 million people across this country to expand their options to have affordable, personal, portable health care,” Cruz said...........”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3091666/posts


44 posted on 11/15/2013 8:19:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: edcoil
The beginning of the death spiral was the day it became unpopular

It was unpopular on the day Reid and Pelosi used every parliamentary trick in the book to pass it. Those who forced this abomination upon the people will pay for it at the voting booth.

45 posted on 11/15/2013 8:20:28 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

- picky picky picky


46 posted on 11/15/2013 8:21:39 AM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett)
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To: cornfedcowboy

- Cutler said that Obamacare can take money from the “subsidies funds” and give it to the insurance companies to get them to go along beyond their contracted agreement

- Cutlet looked like a cornered rat when he was interviewed by Megyn Kelly on FNC


47 posted on 11/15/2013 8:27:11 AM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett)
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To: privatedrive

“And since kids can now stay on their parents’ plans until they’re 26, we have substantially reduced the pool of those much-needed ‘healthy payers’.”

EXCELLENT POINT! Were they really that stupid to make that provision? Or was that another way to get the young low information voters on board?


48 posted on 11/15/2013 8:31:38 AM PST by free-n-TX
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To: Resettozero
It seems to me that based on the presidents statements yesterday and the egg heads statements here, what is evolving before our eyes is medicaid on steroids. That is much of Obamacare will be trashed leaving only care for the very sick and the welfare riff raff that will replace going to the ER and paid for by all the rest, including the rich.

Agree with your assessment, bert. After a passage of time, taxes will not be sufficient and confiscation of our properties will have to kick in.

The political outcome will be expanded Medicade with higher income thresholds plus catastrophic care. Those under 400% of poverty level (e.g. $60,000 for a couple) plus the very sick will get either free or heavily subsidized health care. Everyone else will continue as before 2014. This will add three hundred billion to the annual federal deficit.

49 posted on 11/15/2013 8:35:44 AM PST by Kennard
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That 400% of poverty level is the population median. It splits the country in half. That’s music to a Democrat’s ears: 50% takers and 50% makers.


50 posted on 11/15/2013 8:40:32 AM PST by Kennard
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