Skip to comments.Report: Jeb Bush might jump into 2016 race if Christie looks weak outside the northeast
Posted on 11/15/2013 8:39:08 AM PST by Bratch
Alternate headline: Second look at Chris Christie?
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie gets all the love as the current GOP front-runner for 2016 (to the extent there can even be a front runner three years out.) But there is growing chatter in elite New York financial circles that former Florida Governor Jeb Bush is giving more serious consideration to getting in the race, especially if it appears at any point that Christie is not drawing big national appeal beyond the northeast. Several plugged in GOP sources said Bush has moved from almost certainly staying out to a 30 percent chance of getting in. The 70/30 odds pop up in so many conversations they almost seem like circulated talking points.
I think he could run, said one senior Republican who now works in the financial industry. The environment is shaping up well for him. Republicans want someone who is competent and who can win and thats Jeb. Of course it could also be Christie. Some of the chatter ratcheted up because Bush was in NYC on Tuesday and spoke at the SIFMA conference and took some hard shots at President Obama for taking victory dances after fiscal fights and not building relationships with Republicans that could help on tax reform, immigration and other issues. Bush also slammed Obamacare saying it would collapse of its own weight and the GOP should be ready with an alternative.
I take it this is just Bushworlds way of warning Republican millionaires not to get too caught up in Christiemania before Jeb has decided definitively that hes not running. Needless to say, if they both jumped in, itd be a knife fight between them for the establishment vote in the same way that Paul and Cruz will be fighting for the tea-party vote. What exactly is the threshold of big national appeal, though, that Christie would need to meet in order to convince Jeb that he can play everywhere? Or better yet, when would he have to meet it? If a poll comes out next month showing Christies approval sky high in the northeast but only moderately favorable elsewhere, is that the smoking gun? Is it a smoking gun if, after he takes over the RGA, he goes down to South Carolina to campaign for Lindsey Graham and Graham gets crushed anyway? Or are Jebs pals imagining a much later scenario, after the primary campaign has begun in 2015? Imagine its June of that year and Christie trails badly in evangelical-heavy Iowa. Is thats Jebs cue to proclaim CC another Giuliani wholl crumble before the tea-party onslaught, with the Bush brand (shudder) the only thing standing between moderate Republicans and the Cruzpocalypse?
If thats what hes thinking, hed better think again. I think many righties (but not all) could very grudgingly tolerate Jeb being nominated if he got in reasonably early, paid his dues by enduring a tough campaign, and then presented himself as the only man with enough name recognition to give Hillary a serious run in the general. If he jumps in late as some alleged party savior, though, itll be a disaster. The perception, rightly, would be that the establishments trying to foist someone from the GOPs royal family on the Republican elecorate at the eleventh hour, almost as a sort of coup. I think youd see many somewhat conservative voters resist that, either by rallying to Christie or to the tea-party champion as an alternative. Doesnt mean Jeb would or could be stopped, but itd inspire a lot of bad feelings. The way to do this if its going to be done is to be forthright. Frankly, it wouldnt be all bad for Christie if Jeb tried it: Hed lose some big money he was counting on but hed also gain a chance to present himself as the more conservative of the two centrist options. And it would highlight his appeal as a nontraditional politician. If you recoil at the idea of reinstalling the Bush dynasty on the throne, what better way to send that message if youre a non-tea-partier than by backing the blue-collar guy from Jersey?
Speaking of dethroning dynasties, dude:
I almost didnt post that data just because its so, so, so obviously a gauge of name recognition, not any reasoned consideration of the two candidates. Christies gotten glowing media coverage over the past week due to his Jersey landslide and he was well liked by national media before that because of his chumminess with Obama after Sandy. Heres his reward. He does better head to head against Hillary than either Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or Paul Ryan although, interestingly, all four of them have gained a few points against her in hypothetical match-ups since last month. I think thats a function of Hillarys bipartisan popularity dimming a bit as she transitions from her image as secretary of state to likely Democratic nominee, but maybe the ObamaCare disaster and/or a post-shutdown rebound for Republicans is feeding into it a tiny bit too.
This data set is interesting, though:
Quinnipiac asked that same question about Hillary, Paul, Cruz, Ryan, and Joe Biden. The only one of those five besides Christie who was net positive among independents was Clinton, and she was only a few points above water at +6 (49/43). Christie is +27. Even more amazing, hes only six points underwater among Democrats. No one else polled is even remotely close to breaking even with voters from the opposing party. And for all his vaunted RINO-ness, his approval among Republicans is second barely to Paul Ryans. Hes ahead of both Paul and Cruz in that metric. Dont read too much into any of that: Like Hillary herself, a big part of Christies popularity right now is the sense that hes a nonpartisan figure because people know him mainly from Sandy relief. Thatll fade as he starts campaigning in earnest and as the left starts playing up the more conservative parts of his record. Hes got quite a cushion at the moment, though, among voters whom the GOP would like to steal. Maybe Jeb can top it, but the bar Christies setting is high.
No, no, no and NO
Don’t worry Jeb. Christie can put a Dem in the WH without your help. Forward!
Keep Jeb the hell out of this mess we’re in. That’s all we need is another damned Bush!
I’ll stick with Paul, Cruz, Palin.
I would sever an arm before I voted for Jeb.
The Republican Establishment is paving the way for Jeb. George is going on Leno and they are talking about changing the nomination process to exclude the Tea Party influence.
THEY DO NOT WANT TED CRUZ.
And if Jeb looks weak they’ll send Huntsman out on the field.
The Washington Rhinos have a very deep bench.
Cruz and Palin sure, but pro-amnesty Paul, no
It’s a winning ticket for sure!
Nobody’s going to jump into da Bushes again.
GOP-tp should take a page from the rino book... Cruz only, then Palin if Cruz looks weak, then Paul if Palin looks weak
We want Ted Cruz! Screw “They!”
After eight years of the Obama fiasco, the public will be clamoring for a return to the good old days of a Bush presidency. That is why Obama has been a disaster - so Jeb can be president.
Jeb will tell us that the only way to save our economy is to join a worldwide economic consortium complete with a one-world currency. He's one of the global elite and this has been their dream all along.
Simple-minded Americans won't understand that they have been played in the great Dialectic Game in which both sides are controlled by the same people.
It’s about 10m each way to my polling place. I’ll just save the gas and stay home. The first Bush was a disaster and got us Clinton. The second Bush got us Obama. Can’t imagine doing that again. What kind of communist dictator would come after a third time from that family dynasty...?
Not just no, but HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our biggest political fear should be that the RNC and the RINOs feel so overconfident about 2016 that they completely and unethically wipe out constitutional conservative voting and give us JebBush (I like it as one word) or Christie. Heck, maybe they'll give us both of them as a ticket.
I'd vote against it out of spite.
We’re so screwed.
After seeing article after article advocating and promoting Christie and going back as 2007 When it was Mc Cain, Mc Cain, Mc Cain and fast forwarding to 2011 when it was Romney, Romney ,Romney, is there any doubt as to whom the Republican Elites intend to nominate in 2016?
Neither is acceptable. Between the conservative stay-at-homes and the massive RAT fraud being geared up, it may be hello, Hitlery...oops, Hillary.
I can't wait.
Good. Maybe they can split the RINO vote up.
Time to go CRUZin
Stay Outta da Bushes!
Anyone still not clear that the GOPe plots to place a weak-kneed moderate just needs to look at the collusion here. Fatboy is their first choice, and Jeb is in the wings to step in if Christie falters. Note, he’s not getting in the race now...but ONLY if called on by the party masters to step in if their guy fails.
Frankly, I’d take Jeb in a heartbeat over Christie, between the two. He’d lock down Florida where our party has clearly lost ground in national politics. If his name wasn’t Bush, he’d be a decent choice....based purely on his governorship. (not his mushy moderate stuff since). Unfortunately, we’ve seen the damage wrought by Bush’s in the White House. Even if we win, we lose.
Trial balloon = lead balloon.
Let him. He needs to get it out of his system.
The Bush name is still toxic in national politics.
Please don’t ignore Col. West.
I’d take Bush over Christie any day; not only was he a good, competent governor, but he was more conservative than Christie has ever been. And he’s popular and, unlike his brother and father, has a comfortable, easy personality, so I think he’d probably be a good candidate from the warm and fuzzy point of view. If we’ve got to have a GOP-e candidate, he’d be bearable.
That said, I think Bush would have a lot of problems, as you suggest, simply because of his name. Not only are there a lot of Republicans who hate the earlier Bushes, but of course the press would have a field day dredging things up and resurrecting their Bush Derangement Syndrome (which has actually never died, but just hasn’t had a target for awhile).
So while I devoutly hope Christie is not their anointed one (because whatever they want, they get), I don’t think Bush would make it either.
Christie. Jeb Bush.
Sounds like 2016 is going to suck.
We’ve had more than enough of the Bush dynasty. Jeb should get a real job.
The more RINOs the better! The way the game works, extra choices that split the vote only hurts the side getting split.
What we need is one really good Conservative and a bunch of RINOs.
McCain, Jeb... Run, run!
(I'm too stupid to post the gif, but it's hysterical)
Hey Jeb, Forget it. You may not remember Terri; but I sure do.
Tea Party should be putting in place a network to split off from the Repub party. IMO
If I knew we had a start for registering a real national Tea Party, I’d jump into that right away...Screw the GOPe
Piss on Him!
Anyone still not clear that the GOPe plots to place a weak-kneed moderate just needs to look at the collusion here. Fatboy is their first choice, and Jeb is in the wings to step in if Christie falters. Note, hes not getting in the race now...but ONLY if called on by the party masters to step in if their guy fails.A-hem!
Frankly, Id take Jeb in a heartbeat over Christie, between the two. Hed lock down Florida where our party has clearly lost ground in national politics. If his name wasnt Bush, hed be a decent choice....based purely on his governorship. (not his mushy moderate stuff since).
Unfortunately, weve seen the damage wrought by Bushs in the White House. Even if we win, we lose.
IMO, Christie is being promoted for exactly this reason. He's one of the few legitimate candidates that makes Jeb look conservative.
The GOP-e has been manipulating the nomination/election process since Dubya left office to best position 2016 for Jeb. It started with the undermining of Governor Palin during the 2008 campaign. It continues today with all-out attacks on any conservative that appears to present a threat to garner a following on a national scale.
It's all part of the plan.
“Stay out da bushes!”
I’d jump in, too. I am so ready for a real Tea Party!
Interesting take. Could well be. I think they are all in on Christie, though. I think in DC think, he is a no brainer...he wins in NJ, share’s most beltway ideas. Has some good conservative credentials, and uses youtube and social tools successfully.
I don’t discount your thinking, though. It could be smokescreen. We know the Bushes and their allies are committed to long-term control of this party.
Jeb Bush can jump off a Frigging cliff for all I care. I won’t vote for him.
Go ahead and run Jeb. I voted for my last RINO in Mittens. I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ANOTHER RINO TYPE...EVER!
Sorry Jeb, but I don’t like your mommy.
Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and Mike Lee speak for me, most everyone else is just noise.
I expect Christie, or then Bush to win the primary...Regardless of who votes for who...
Bush will be the media darling of the primaries...
I don't care if Obama runs a third term, I will not vote for another Bush...