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Report: Jeb Bush might jump into 2016 race if Christie looks weak outside the northeast
Hot Air ^ | November 13, 2013 | Allahpundit

Posted on 11/15/2013 8:39:08 AM PST by Bratch

Alternate headline: “Second look at Chris Christie?”

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie gets all the love as the current GOP front-runner for 2016 (to the extent there can even be a front runner three years out.) But there is growing chatter in elite New York financial circles that former Florida Governor Jeb Bush is giving more serious consideration to getting in the race, especially if it appears at any point that Christie is not drawing big national appeal beyond the northeast. Several plugged in GOP sources said Bush has moved from almost certainly staying out to a 30 percent chance of getting in. The “70/30” odds pop up in so many conversations they almost seem like circulated talking points.

“I think he could run,” said one senior Republican who now works in the financial industry. “The environment is shaping up well for him. Republicans want someone who is competent and who can win and that’s Jeb.” Of course it could also be Christie. Some of the chatter ratcheted up because Bush was in NYC on Tuesday and spoke at the SIFMA conference and took some hard shots at President Obama for taking “victory dances” after fiscal fights and not building relationships with Republicans that could help on tax reform, immigration and other issues. Bush also slammed Obamacare saying it would collapse of its own weight and the GOP should be “ready with an alternative.”

I take it this is just Bushworld’s way of warning Republican millionaires not to get too caught up in Christiemania before Jeb has decided definitively that he’s not running. Needless to say, if they both jumped in, it’d be a knife fight between them for the establishment vote in the same way that Paul and Cruz will be fighting for the tea-party vote. What exactly is the threshold of “big national appeal,” though, that Christie would need to meet in order to convince Jeb that he can play everywhere? Or better yet, when would he have to meet it? If a poll comes out next month showing Christie’s approval sky high in the northeast but only moderately favorable elsewhere, is that the smoking gun? Is it a smoking gun if, after he takes over the RGA, he goes down to South Carolina to campaign for Lindsey Graham and Graham gets crushed anyway? Or are Jeb’s pals imagining a much later scenario, after the primary campaign has begun in 2015? Imagine it’s June of that year and Christie trails badly in evangelical-heavy Iowa. Is that’s Jeb’s cue to proclaim CC another Giuliani who’ll crumble before the tea-party onslaught, with the Bush brand (shudder) the only thing standing between moderate Republicans and the Cruzpocalypse?

If that’s what he’s thinking, he’d better think again. I think many righties (but not all) could very grudgingly tolerate Jeb being nominated if he got in reasonably early, paid his dues by enduring a tough campaign, and then presented himself as the only man with enough name recognition to give Hillary a serious run in the general. If he jumps in late as some alleged party savior, though, it’ll be a disaster. The perception, rightly, would be that the establishment’s trying to foist someone from the GOP’s royal family on the Republican elecorate at the eleventh hour, almost as a sort of coup. I think you’d see many “somewhat conservative” voters resist that, either by rallying to Christie or to the tea-party champion as an alternative. Doesn’t mean Jeb would or could be stopped, but it’d inspire a lot of bad feelings. The way to do this if it’s going to be done is to be forthright. Frankly, it wouldn’t be all bad for Christie if Jeb tried it: He’d lose some big money he was counting on but he’d also gain a chance to present himself as the more conservative of the two centrist options. And it would highlight his appeal as a nontraditional politician. If you recoil at the idea of reinstalling the Bush dynasty on the throne, what better way to send that message if you’re a non-tea-partier than by backing the blue-collar guy from Jersey?

Speaking of dethroning dynasties, dude:

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I almost didn’t post that data just because it’s so, so, so obviously a gauge of name recognition, not any reasoned consideration of the two candidates. Christie’s gotten glowing media coverage over the past week due to his Jersey landslide and he was well liked by national media before that because of his chumminess with Obama after Sandy. Here’s his reward. He does better head to head against Hillary than either Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or Paul Ryan — although, interestingly, all four of them have gained a few points against her in hypothetical match-ups since last month. I think that’s a function of Hillary’s bipartisan popularity dimming a bit as she transitions from her image as secretary of state to likely Democratic nominee, but maybe the ObamaCare disaster and/or a post-shutdown rebound for Republicans is feeding into it a tiny bit too.

This data set is interesting, though:

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Quinnipiac asked that same question about Hillary, Paul, Cruz, Ryan, and Joe Biden. The only one of those five besides Christie who was net positive among independents was Clinton, and she was only a few points above water at +6 (49/43). Christie is +27. Even more amazing, he’s only six points underwater among Democrats. No one else polled is even remotely close to breaking even with voters from the opposing party. And for all his vaunted RINO-ness, his approval among Republicans is second — barely — to Paul Ryan’s. He’s ahead of both Paul and Cruz in that metric. Don’t read too much into any of that: Like Hillary herself, a big part of Christie’s popularity right now is the sense that he’s a nonpartisan figure because people know him mainly from Sandy relief. That’ll fade as he starts campaigning in earnest and as the left starts playing up the more conservative parts of his record. He’s got quite a cushion at the moment, though, among voters whom the GOP would like to steal. Maybe Jeb can top it, but the bar Christie’s setting is high.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; bush; bush2016; bushdynasty; bushroyalfamily; christie; election2016; gope; gopestablishment; jebbush; nomorebushes; nomorerinos; rinos
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1 posted on 11/15/2013 8:39:08 AM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

No, no, no and NO


2 posted on 11/15/2013 8:40:24 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat ("I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,")
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To: Bratch

Don’t worry Jeb. Christie can put a Dem in the WH without your help. Forward!


3 posted on 11/15/2013 8:41:50 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bratch

Keep Jeb the hell out of this mess we’re in. That’s all we need is another damned Bush!

I’ll stick with Paul, Cruz, Palin.


4 posted on 11/15/2013 8:41:56 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Bratch

I would sever an arm before I voted for Jeb.


5 posted on 11/15/2013 8:42:32 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

The Republican Establishment is paving the way for Jeb. George is going on Leno and they are talking about changing the nomination process to exclude the Tea Party influence.

THEY DO NOT WANT TED CRUZ.


6 posted on 11/15/2013 8:43:13 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Bratch

And if Jeb looks weak they’ll send Huntsman out on the field.

The Washington Rhinos have a very deep bench.


7 posted on 11/15/2013 8:43:15 AM PST by DManA
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To: Bratch
No more Bushes.

Seriously.

8 posted on 11/15/2013 8:43:21 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: IbJensen

Cruz and Palin sure, but pro-amnesty Paul, no


9 posted on 11/15/2013 8:43:46 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: FReepers
Stay Outta Da Bushes!


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10 posted on 11/15/2013 8:44:35 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: GeronL

It’s a winning ticket for sure!


11 posted on 11/15/2013 8:44:35 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Bratch

Nobody’s going to jump into da Bushes again.


12 posted on 11/15/2013 8:44:55 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: A_Former_Democrat

God. No.


13 posted on 11/15/2013 8:45:03 AM PST by FAA
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To: IbJensen

GOP-tp should take a page from the rino book... Cruz only, then Palin if Cruz looks weak, then Paul if Palin looks weak


14 posted on 11/15/2013 8:45:23 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SC_Pete

We want Ted Cruz! Screw “They!”


15 posted on 11/15/2013 8:46:01 AM PST by goldi
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To: Bratch
What a joke! This "report" is part of the plan to get Jeb Bush into the public eye again. He will be the next president.

After eight years of the Obama fiasco, the public will be clamoring for a return to the good old days of a Bush presidency. That is why Obama has been a disaster - so Jeb can be president.

Jeb will tell us that the only way to save our economy is to join a worldwide economic consortium complete with a one-world currency. He's one of the global elite and this has been their dream all along.

Simple-minded Americans won't understand that they have been played in the great Dialectic Game in which both sides are controlled by the same people.

16 posted on 11/15/2013 8:46:57 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Bratch

It’s about 10m each way to my polling place. I’ll just save the gas and stay home. The first Bush was a disaster and got us Clinton. The second Bush got us Obama. Can’t imagine doing that again. What kind of communist dictator would come after a third time from that family dynasty...?


17 posted on 11/15/2013 8:47:14 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Not just no, but HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


18 posted on 11/15/2013 8:48:37 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Bratch
That dueling RINO photo is hilarious.

Our biggest political fear should be that the RNC and the RINOs feel so overconfident about 2016 that they completely and unethically wipe out constitutional conservative voting and give us JebBush (I like it as one word) or Christie. Heck, maybe they'll give us both of them as a ticket.

I'd vote against it out of spite.

19 posted on 11/15/2013 8:48:39 AM PST by grania
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To: Bratch

We’re so screwed.


20 posted on 11/15/2013 8:48:53 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Bratch

After seeing article after article advocating and promoting Christie and going back as 2007 When it was Mc Cain, Mc Cain, Mc Cain and fast forwarding to 2011 when it was Romney, Romney ,Romney, is there any doubt as to whom the Republican Elites intend to nominate in 2016?


21 posted on 11/15/2013 8:49:20 AM PST by sport
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To: Bratch

Neither is acceptable. Between the conservative stay-at-homes and the massive RAT fraud being geared up, it may be hello, Hitlery...oops, Hillary.


22 posted on 11/15/2013 8:49:26 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Bratch
Wow! If Jeb runs he can snatch defeat from the jaws of defeat for the Republicans!

I can't wait.

23 posted on 11/15/2013 8:50:02 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Bratch

24 posted on 11/15/2013 8:50:22 AM PST by TonyInOhio (H-O-L-D F-A-S-T)
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To: Bratch

Good. Maybe they can split the RINO vote up.


25 posted on 11/15/2013 8:52:11 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: Bratch

Time to go CRUZin


26 posted on 11/15/2013 8:54:19 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Bratch

Stay Outta da Bushes!


27 posted on 11/15/2013 8:55:46 AM PST by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: Bratch

Anyone still not clear that the GOPe plots to place a weak-kneed moderate just needs to look at the collusion here. Fatboy is their first choice, and Jeb is in the wings to step in if Christie falters. Note, he’s not getting in the race now...but ONLY if called on by the party masters to step in if their guy fails.

Frankly, I’d take Jeb in a heartbeat over Christie, between the two. He’d lock down Florida where our party has clearly lost ground in national politics. If his name wasn’t Bush, he’d be a decent choice....based purely on his governorship. (not his mushy moderate stuff since). Unfortunately, we’ve seen the damage wrought by Bush’s in the White House. Even if we win, we lose.


28 posted on 11/15/2013 8:58:06 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Bratch

Trial balloon = lead balloon.

Let him. He needs to get it out of his system.

The Bush name is still toxic in national politics.


29 posted on 11/15/2013 8:58:12 AM PST by TomGuy (.)
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To: Bratch

Wont help


30 posted on 11/15/2013 9:00:40 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: IbJensen

Please don’t ignore Col. West.


31 posted on 11/15/2013 9:00:46 AM PST by gasport (Will operate for food.)
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To: ilgipper

I’d take Bush over Christie any day; not only was he a good, competent governor, but he was more conservative than Christie has ever been. And he’s popular and, unlike his brother and father, has a comfortable, easy personality, so I think he’d probably be a good candidate from the warm and fuzzy point of view. If we’ve got to have a GOP-e candidate, he’d be bearable.

That said, I think Bush would have a lot of problems, as you suggest, simply because of his name. Not only are there a lot of Republicans who hate the earlier Bushes, but of course the press would have a field day dredging things up and resurrecting their Bush Derangement Syndrome (which has actually never died, but just hasn’t had a target for awhile).

So while I devoutly hope Christie is not their anointed one (because whatever they want, they get), I don’t think Bush would make it either.


32 posted on 11/15/2013 9:13:43 AM PST by livius
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To: Bratch

Christie. Jeb Bush.
Sounds like 2016 is going to suck.


33 posted on 11/15/2013 9:14:16 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Bratch

We’ve had more than enough of the Bush dynasty. Jeb should get a real job.


34 posted on 11/15/2013 9:14:43 AM PST by pallis
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To: Little Ray

The more RINOs the better! The way the game works, extra choices that split the vote only hurts the side getting split.

What we need is one really good Conservative and a bunch of RINOs.

McCain, Jeb... Run, run!


35 posted on 11/15/2013 9:16:05 AM PST by csivils
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To: Bratch
Tracy Morgan says no way

http://www.reactiongifs.com/tracey-jorday-says-no-way/

(I'm too stupid to post the gif, but it's hysterical)

36 posted on 11/15/2013 9:17:03 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Bratch

Hey Jeb, Forget it. You may not remember Terri; but I sure do.


37 posted on 11/15/2013 9:19:06 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: duckman

And I.


38 posted on 11/15/2013 9:19:33 AM PST by sport
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To: Bratch

Tea Party should be putting in place a network to split off from the Repub party. IMO

If I knew we had a start for registering a real national Tea Party, I’d jump into that right away...Screw the GOPe


39 posted on 11/15/2013 9:22:02 AM PST by Bayard
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To: A_Former_Democrat


OK …I lke "common corpse too!" (sorta)

40 posted on 11/15/2013 9:25:58 AM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett)
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To: Bratch

Piss on Him!


41 posted on 11/15/2013 9:28:24 AM PST by vette6387
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To: ilgipper
Anyone still not clear that the GOPe plots to place a weak-kneed moderate just needs to look at the collusion here. Fatboy is their first choice, and Jeb is in the wings to step in if Christie falters. Note, he’s not getting in the race now...but ONLY if called on by the party masters to step in if their guy fails.

Frankly, I’d take Jeb in a heartbeat over Christie, between the two. He’d lock down Florida where our party has clearly lost ground in national politics. If his name wasn’t Bush, he’d be a decent choice....based purely on his governorship. (not his mushy moderate stuff since).

Unfortunately, we’ve seen the damage wrought by Bush’s in the White House. Even if we win, we lose.

A-hem!

IMO, Christie is being promoted for exactly this reason. He's one of the few legitimate candidates that makes Jeb look conservative.

The GOP-e has been manipulating the nomination/election process since Dubya left office to best position 2016 for Jeb. It started with the undermining of Governor Palin during the 2008 campaign. It continues today with all-out attacks on any conservative that appears to present a threat to garner a following on a national scale.

It's all part of the plan.

42 posted on 11/15/2013 9:28:31 AM PST by Bratch
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To: Paladin2

“Stay out da bushes!”


43 posted on 11/15/2013 9:29:16 AM PST by Argus
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To: Bayard

I’d jump in, too. I am so ready for a real Tea Party!


44 posted on 11/15/2013 9:30:07 AM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Bratch

Interesting take. Could well be. I think they are all in on Christie, though. I think in DC think, he is a no brainer...he wins in NJ, share’s most beltway ideas. Has some good conservative credentials, and uses youtube and social tools successfully.

I don’t discount your thinking, though. It could be smokescreen. We know the Bushes and their allies are committed to long-term control of this party.


45 posted on 11/15/2013 9:35:26 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Bratch

Jeb Bush can jump off a Frigging cliff for all I care. I won’t vote for him.


46 posted on 11/15/2013 9:49:39 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Bratch

Go ahead and run Jeb. I voted for my last RINO in Mittens. I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ANOTHER RINO TYPE...EVER!


47 posted on 11/15/2013 9:52:19 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Bratch

Sorry Jeb, but I don’t like your mommy.

Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and Mike Lee speak for me, most everyone else is just noise.


48 posted on 11/15/2013 9:53:50 AM PST by Gator113 ( Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and Mike Lee speak for me, most everyone else is just noise.)
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To: Dr. Thorne
After eight years of the Obama fiasco, the public will be clamoring for a return to the good old days of a Bush presidency. That is why Obama has been a disaster - so Jeb can be president.

I expect Christie, or then Bush to win the primary...Regardless of who votes for who...

49 posted on 11/15/2013 10:00:07 AM PST by Iscool
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To: livius
So while I devoutly hope Christie is not their anointed one (because whatever they want, they get), I don’t think Bush would make it either.

Bush will be the media darling of the primaries...

I don't care if Obama runs a third term, I will not vote for another Bush...

50 posted on 11/15/2013 10:04:06 AM PST by Iscool
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