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Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing charged with second-degree murder
NBC ^ | 11-15-13 | Elizabeth Chuck

Posted on 11/15/2013 12:44:23 PM PST by Oliviaforever

A homeowner has been charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of an unarmed woman on a suburban Detroit porch earlier this month.

Renisha McBride, 19, was killed on Nov. 2 in Dearborn Heights, Mich., when she went to a 54-year-old Theodore Paul Wafer's porch seeking help after a car crash, according to authorities.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
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1 posted on 11/15/2013 12:44:23 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever
he also said his shotgun went off by accident

man i hate it when my shotgun randomly discharges and kills people

2 posted on 11/15/2013 12:46:58 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Oliviaforever

Prayers up for everyone involved in this mess.


3 posted on 11/15/2013 12:49:27 PM PST by Bobalu (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Hope he has a good lawyer....

Show home invasion stats, flash mobs and whatever else that exemplifies modern black culture.


4 posted on 11/15/2013 12:51:03 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: bigheadfred
That part of the narrative is very hard to credit.

Hidden in the fine print of the article is the detail that the decedent was intoxicated on multiple substances.

5 posted on 11/15/2013 12:51:25 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Farnsworth

LOL—I hope is lawyer is better than you suggest.


6 posted on 11/15/2013 12:51:49 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Oliviaforever

Wasn’t it, like, THREE HOURS after the car crash that she allegedly “sought help.” (That is, she was finally sobered up?)

Why do they miss key points like this in the first couple of sentences?

Oh yeah - agenda. Think George Zimmerman.


7 posted on 11/15/2013 12:51:54 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: Oliviaforever

Blood alcohol = 0.218. Plus marijuana. No wonder she disappeared for a couple of hours after she hit that parked car.


8 posted on 11/15/2013 12:52:59 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Oliviaforever

“Our evidence shows she knocked on the locked screen door.”

In some “civilized” places that is grounds for justifiable homicide. /s


9 posted on 11/15/2013 12:53:15 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: wideawake

yeah well i am currently intoxicated on multiple substances and there is a train wreck just across the road soooo ima thinking i should wander on over and


10 posted on 11/15/2013 12:57:34 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Farnsworth

The homicide occurred around 3:30 AM.

Banging around on my porch at that time is not a good idea.


11 posted on 11/15/2013 12:57:47 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

bump


12 posted on 11/15/2013 12:59:50 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: bolobaby

so the homeowner knew there was a crash and in the hope someone would knock on his door got out his shotgun and waited


13 posted on 11/15/2013 1:01:11 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: 1rudeboy

throw everything against the wall and see what sticks....

He’s doomed anyway, he’s white


14 posted on 11/15/2013 1:02:37 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: bolobaby

She waited three hours and still had a BAC over .2

So she probably had a BAC of 2.4 when the accident occurred.


15 posted on 11/15/2013 1:04:49 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bigheadfred

Knew there was a crash six blocks away...?

But you are right. Obviously, this was just a racist killing. Let’s get the Reverends together and have a march!


16 posted on 11/15/2013 1:06:21 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: Farnsworth
Show home invasion stats, flash mobs and whatever else that exemplifies modern black culture.

That would be a pretty good way to get himself convicted, and his lawyer disbarred. Other than that, great plan.

17 posted on 11/15/2013 1:07:43 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: wideawake
Hidden in the fine print of the article is the detail that the decedent was intoxicated on multiple substances.

And that justifies shooting her through a locked door, how?

18 posted on 11/15/2013 1:08:50 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

How do you really know what happened since we’ve not heard the homeowner talk once on this subject? I’d say she put herself in a very precarious position at 3:30, drunk on a strangers porch. But....none of us know the facts and I would not take anything the media says as the gospel.


19 posted on 11/15/2013 1:11:04 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: Farnsworth

“Show home invasion stats, flash mobs and whatever else that exemplifies modern black culture.”

That would be a worthy defense strategy and would be great for cable TV news. But, he also needs to move the trial out of Wayne county to a county in the Michigan U.P.


20 posted on 11/15/2013 1:11:44 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
And that justifies shooting her through a locked door, how?

It does not.

What it does explain is why the encounter between the two was probably not as the family asserted.

21 posted on 11/15/2013 1:14:09 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Hey, i’m not a lawyer, but I don’t see how that can’t play into state of mind.


22 posted on 11/15/2013 1:14:32 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Oliviaforever

Yeah thats worth a try and work as well as it did with Zimmerman.


23 posted on 11/15/2013 1:15:30 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Bobalu

Agreed. Prayers up.


24 posted on 11/15/2013 1:15:56 PM PST by DemforBush (Leave the gun, take the catnip toy.)
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To: spacejunkie2001

I don’t believe anyone has contested that he shot her through the locked screen door. The prosecution said that in open court today, and the only person they could have gotten that information from is the shooter (and lying about a fact like that would be extremely risky/stupid for the prosecutor).


25 posted on 11/15/2013 1:20:07 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Farnsworth

I’m sure it did play into his state of mind. But, it’s not enough to justify shooting. Not by a long shot.


26 posted on 11/15/2013 1:21:07 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Don’t matter, he isn’t going to get a fair shake in court anyway, he’s white and he shot a black person. He’s done.


27 posted on 11/15/2013 1:23:00 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Farnsworth; Conscience of a Conservative
Hey, i’m not a lawyer, but I don’t see how that can’t play into state of mind.

Yoiu don't have to be a lawyer.

You just need to step back and consider:

(1) The defendant will most likely be accused of racism as a motive for the crime he's being tried for.

(2) Why would his defense lawyer then make a race-based argument to justify his client's actions?

Delivering the prosecution an admitted motive wrapped in a pink bow is bad practice for a defense attorney.

28 posted on 11/15/2013 1:24:04 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Farnsworth
He’s doomed anyway, he’s white

Thanks. I was wondering what the mob was for yesterday. They didn't mention "what" the victim was.

29 posted on 11/15/2013 1:25:01 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

who has contested it was an accident?


30 posted on 11/15/2013 1:25:26 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: spacejunkie2001
who has contested it was an accident?

He has been charged with second-degree murder.

Clearly Dearborn County is contesting it.

31 posted on 11/15/2013 1:27:52 PM PST by wideawake
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To: BerryDingle

it’s a given. I don’t recall ever seeing protests for dead whites


32 posted on 11/15/2013 1:28:12 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: bigheadfred

I also noticed that people trying to hit a target may miss it pretty regularly, but when the gun just “goes off”, people always seem to have dead aim.


33 posted on 11/15/2013 1:33:03 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Oliviaforever

If he shot her through the door then this could be the first use ever of the “Biden Defense.” VP said to shoot a shotgun through a door.


34 posted on 11/15/2013 1:33:29 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: wideawake; Conscience of a Conservative

I’m making a point to CoaC that there’s hardly any facts out, certainly none that have been validated or confirmed, yet he’s dying to believe the race baiting side of this equation and convict the homeowner. Who, by the way, was minding his own business in his house when a drunk stranger showed up at 3:30 am. Maybe it woke him out of a sound sleep and rattled him so bad he accidentally pulled the trigger??


35 posted on 11/15/2013 1:33:37 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: spacejunkie2001

Even if it was an accident, that may not be terribly relevant. The guy was charged with second degree murder and manslaughter. Under Michigan law, second degree murder can be proven where the defendant kills a person while engaged in conduct that “knowingly creat[es] a very high risk of death or great bodily harm knowing that death or such harm would be the likely result of his/her actions.” I would think that pointing a shotgun at someone, with his finger on the trigger, meets that standard.


36 posted on 11/15/2013 1:34:38 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Boogieman

but see that is positive proof that it really is guns that kill peeple


37 posted on 11/15/2013 1:35:53 PM PST by bigheadfred
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I saw the front porch of this man’s home and it looks like there are 2 doors that the homeowner had to open to shoot this woman. It was very foolish for this homeowner to open up both doors. He could’ve at least kept the screen door closed/locked, to see what the deal was. I wouldn’t even do that though. If this really was a ruse/robbery, the accomplices usually hide in a blind spot by the doorway and could’ve easily rushed for that gun and grabbed it and pushed their way in. He is lucky he isn’t the one dead right now. There are some people who believe because someone trespasses on their property or steals something from their lawn they can shoot them in self defense. They think it’s the same as shooting someone who has broken into a home. He probably told the cops that he shot her because she was on his property. The cops told his that was a big no-no and then he changed his story to the gun went off accidentally.


38 posted on 11/15/2013 1:36:07 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: spacejunkie2001; Conscience of a Conservative
It think that it comes down to this: most people who have handled a shotgun know that it is very hard to accidentally discharge one unless you know almost nothing about shotguns.

If you put your finger on the trigger of a firearm, it had better be to fire it - it's not a resting place for your finger.

His story is, on its face, very difficult to credit.

39 posted on 11/15/2013 1:37:14 PM PST by wideawake
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To: spacejunkie2001
I’m making a point to CoaC that there’s hardly any facts out, certainly none that have been validated or confirmed, yet he’s dying to believe the race baiting side of this equation and convict the homeowner.

I could care less about the "race baiting side" of this case. My analysis would be the same if it was a white guy shooting a black girl, a black guy shooting a white girl, or a leprechaun shooting a fairy.

40 posted on 11/15/2013 1:37:50 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

So the castle doctrine, mentioned in the article is irrelevant to you?? I say he had every right to defend himself against a PERCEIVED threat, and the accidental shot doesn’t come in to play.

Curiously, do you believe George Zimmerman was guilty?


41 posted on 11/15/2013 1:38:39 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: wideawake
If you put your finger on the trigger of a firearm, it had better be to fire it - it's not a resting place for your finger.

Yup. That's not only for safety purposes, either (though that's obviously the primary reason). Intent can legally be inferred from one's actions; if you aim a weapon at someone and it discharges, there is going to be a pretty damn strong presumption that you intended to discharge the weapon.

42 posted on 11/15/2013 1:40:46 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Farnsworth
he’s white

And in Detroit.

43 posted on 11/15/2013 1:40:57 PM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Farnsworth

His lawyer should use the Biden defense, but I guess it’s been tried and failed before.


44 posted on 11/15/2013 1:43:33 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: spacejunkie2001; Conscience of a Conservative
I say he had every right to defend himself against a PERCEIVED threat

He is not even arguing that he perceived a threat.

He is arguing that he had an accident.

45 posted on 11/15/2013 1:43:54 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

He could be charged with wrongful discharge of a weapon


46 posted on 11/15/2013 1:46:02 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Homeowner Takes Biden’s Shotgun Advice, Gets Arrested
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3044224/posts
not guilty by reason of excessive dipshittery.


47 posted on 11/15/2013 1:46:13 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: spacejunkie2001
So the castle doctrine, mentioned in the article is irrelevant to you?? I say he had every right to defend himself against a PERCEIVED threat, and the accidental shot doesn’t come in to play.

Of course the castle doctrine is relevant, but I don't think this shooting is justified under the castle doctrine. The castle doctrine states that you have no duty to retreat within your own home, and that you may use deadly force when you reasonably fear imminent death or serious bodily harm. Mere perception of a threat is not enough - it must be reasonable, and it is going to be very difficult to convince a judge or jury that you reasonably feared imminent death or serious bodily harm with a locked door between you and the source of the perceived threat.

Curiously, do you believe George Zimmerman was guilty?

Absolutely not. That was a clear-cut case of self-defense, and I believe that Angela Corey committed prosecutorial misconduct by bringing charges against Mr. Zimmerman.

48 posted on 11/15/2013 1:46:48 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: spacejunkie2001
So the castle doctrine, mentioned in the article is irrelevant to you?? I say he had every right to defend himself against a PERCEIVED threat, and the accidental shot doesn’t come in to play.

No, the law says he has the right to protect himself against imminent unlawful use of force against him. There is no evidence at all that she threatened him in any way, or that she was trying to break into his home.

49 posted on 11/15/2013 1:46:49 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: wideawake

you don’t know WHAT he’s arguing. We haven’t heard anything from him. I think it’s stunning that so many people on FR would not wait for facts before deciding what really happened.

Just like the GZ case; many on here had to eat crow because they took the media’s word for crap and it was BS.

Did the guy shoot through a closed door? Do we have ANY other facts or even information confirmed and stipulated to? Right, we don’t....


50 posted on 11/15/2013 1:47:37 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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