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Wisconsin Political Speech Raid
Wall Street Journal ^ | 11/15/13

Posted on 11/16/2013 11:23:20 AM PST by Jean S

Subpoenas hit allies of Scott Walker as his re-election campaign looms.

Americans learned in the IRS political targeting scandal that government enforcement power can be used to stifle political speech. Something similar may be unfolding in Wisconsin, where a special prosecutor is targeting conservative groups that participated in the battle over Governor Scott Walker's union reforms.

In recent weeks, special prosecutor Francis Schmitz has hit dozens of conservative groups with subpoenas demanding documents related to the 2011 and 2012 campaigns to recall Governor Walker and state legislative leaders.

Copies of two subpoenas we've seen demand "all memoranda, email . . . correspondence, and communications" both internally and between the subpoena target and some 29 conservative groups, including Wisconsin and national nonprofits, political vendors and party committees. The groups include the League of American Voters, Wisconsin Family Action, Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce, Americans for Prosperity—Wisconsin, American Crossroads, the Republican Governors Association, Friends of Scott Walker and the Republican Party of Wisconsin.

One subpoena also demands "all records of income received, including fundraising information and the identity of persons contributing to the corporation." In other words, tell us who your donors are.

The probe began in the office of Milwaukee County Assistant District Attorney Bruce Landgraf, though no one will publicly claim credit for appointing Mr. Schmitz, the special prosecutor. The investigation is taking place under Wisconsin's John Doe law, which bars a subpoena's targets from disclosing its contents to anyone but his attorneys. John Doe probes work much like a grand jury, allowing prosecutors to issue subpoenas and conduct searches, while the gag orders leave the targets facing the resources of the state with no way to publicly defend themselves.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: johndoelaw; recall; scottwalker; wisconsin
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1 posted on 11/16/2013 11:23:21 AM PST by Jean S
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ping.


2 posted on 11/16/2013 11:23:55 AM PST by Jean S
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To: Jean S

They just can’t admit DEFEAT, can they? Such a waste of money!


3 posted on 11/16/2013 11:33:10 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Jean S
This whole story is worth reading.

Wow, just wow. I knew that the Slave Party had balls, but it is their ubiquity in the bureaucracy that is truly intimidating. These databases they are building are truly a serious threat to the nation.

4 posted on 11/16/2013 11:42:44 AM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: Jean S

thats a law straight from behind the iron curtain.


5 posted on 11/16/2013 11:44:19 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Jean S

It’s way past time to get rid of sovereign immunity or at the very least severely limit it.

Keep in mind that sovereign immunity is judge-made law. No legislature and no citizens group lobbied for this much abused protection.

What the WI legislature should do is end or limit sovereign immunity. That might slow down some of this garbage or at least alter plans. We can’t ever stop fighting. They don’t.


6 posted on 11/16/2013 11:49:28 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jean S

The military is used to deal with enemies foreign.

The standing army of collectivist bureaucrats is used to deal with enemies domestic.


7 posted on 11/16/2013 11:49:52 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Carry_Okie

The real issue here is Walker would be a far more formidable opponent in 2016 than Christie. The prod for this could come from outside of Wisconsin.


8 posted on 11/16/2013 11:50:03 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

These gag laws violate the First Amendment. WI has a lot of bad laws on the books that violate the Constitution. The state to the south of you is worse in many ways.


9 posted on 11/16/2013 11:51:05 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: wiggen

Hmmmm.


10 posted on 11/16/2013 11:51:54 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jean S

We have political oppression now

Anything missing from this being a third world banana republic?


11 posted on 11/16/2013 11:53:18 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jean S
It is called Lawfare. Ask Tom Delay, Newt, and Scooter Libby.

The White House coordinated the union jihad against Governor Walker in 2011. Obama's thugs lost. Gruppenfuhrer Valerie Jarrett promised there would be hell to pay.

12 posted on 11/16/2013 11:53:31 AM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: wiggen

Isn’t Walker pro-amnesty?

Because that is a deal killer.


13 posted on 11/16/2013 11:54:12 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jean S

Fight fire with fire. Another DA or the state attorney general should appoint someone to investigate these rogue prosecutors.


14 posted on 11/16/2013 11:59:58 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: wiggen
The real issue here is Walker would be a far more formidable opponent in 2016 than Christie. The prod for this could come from outside of Wisconsin.

Yes and no. The unions have picked Wisconsin as the hill to die on. The stuff that happened in 2011-2012 did not need direction from D.C., and Walker was already subjected to another subpoena where he was the GOOD guy (discovered $40K missing from a veteran's fund). For months he was dragged in for testimony, and lies were leaked about an indictment. In the end, it all came down to one of his employees in his old office had spent government time aiding a Lt. Gov. candidate when Walker wasn't even on that ticket. It is Alice in Wonderland in Madison and in Milwaukee's city government.
15 posted on 11/16/2013 12:10:05 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Jacquerie
the effect is to limit political speech by intimidating these groups from participating in the 2014 campaign. Stifling allies of Mr. Walker would be an enormous in-kind contribution to Democrats. Even if no charges are filed, the subpoenas will have served as a form of speech suppression.

That's the goal here, but sunshine might undo a lot of this. The legislature and the governor can work together to curb this and asap. Get rid of sovereign immunity and these rats cannot hide. Eliminate the gag rules and you can fight back. Shame them to death with sunshine.

Rooster Cogburn: You can't serve papers on a rat, baby sister. You gotta kill him or let him be.

16 posted on 11/16/2013 12:10:52 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Oklahoma

I talked to an ADA from an adjoining county a couple of weeks ago. He was clueless. We really need to club these people with a wake up club.


17 posted on 11/16/2013 12:14:12 PM PST by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: wiggen
The prod for this could come from outside of Wisconsin

Good thought. It does have the look and feel of a White Hut political "black-operation."

As a presidential candidate, IMO Walker would be much more likely to carry Wisconsin than Christie would New Jersey. Both are bad news for Democrats though from an electoral college perspective.

18 posted on 11/16/2013 12:19:00 PM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: Jean S

They can demand all they want.

Refuse to comply.

Or a simple envelope with “GFY” on a plain sheet of paper inside.


19 posted on 11/16/2013 12:27:10 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Jean S

The problem is that should Scott Walker run for President, the Dems WILL attempt to recall him again.


20 posted on 11/16/2013 12:32:14 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Carry_Okie

NJ still has a deficit, Wisconsin a surplus. The base will support Walker but not Christie. I think Christie would have an easier time wining the Dem nomination as a matter of fact.
I agree on Wisconsin vs NJ as to the respective governors.
I know that Christie would perform better in the northeast corridor but i don’t see him actually taking any of those states.
Last thing is i also believe that Christie stands a better shot in Pa.


21 posted on 11/16/2013 12:44:09 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen
The base will support Walker but not Christie.

My point precisely.

Last thing is i also believe that Christie stands a better shot in Pa.

Today perhaps, but in a national campaign, I doubt it.

22 posted on 11/16/2013 1:22:01 PM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: GeronL
Anything missing from this being a third world banana republic?

Shallow graves. In Amerika, the political elites bury their political enemies a full 6 feet down.

23 posted on 11/16/2013 1:41:41 PM PST by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: Flick Lives

I guess it would be unsanitary to leave them all in Fort Marcy Park


24 posted on 11/16/2013 1:47:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: wiggen

I will never vote for Christie. I am tired of RINOs.


25 posted on 11/16/2013 2:02:04 PM PST by rcofdayton (.)
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To: Jean S; mickie; pax_et_bonum; flaglady47; Chigirl 26; hoosiermama; Bushbacker1; prairiebreeze; ...
Walker has to get out in front of this story in every way.

He has to borrow Tokyo Rove's white chart board and get on TV and outline EVERYTHING that's being done to him and his supporters....and EVERY PERSON and EVERY conservative organization being targeted by the libs, radicals, Dems, unions, commie Madison academia and leftist judiciary and law enforcement scum plus all the rest of the Gestapo involved in this plot against him.

They must be exposed at every turn or else all Scott's supporting donors, organizations and volunteers will be cowed into disappearing into the woodwork which is the whole point.

Learn from that human pinata, GWB! Take the fight TO THEM, Governor, expose them....and beat them into little stinky cheese rinds!

Leni

26 posted on 11/16/2013 2:02:32 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: NFHale; Jean S

“I’m sorry, gentlemen. All of those records were lost in a terrible fire. I tried to save them, but they all went up in smoke. Nope - I don’t have any computer records. The computers were destroyed in the fire. Back ups? What back ups? I’m no computer guy. I just work here.”


27 posted on 11/16/2013 2:17:26 PM PST by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
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To: Jean S

One of these days and I don’t think long, the little people are going to get enough and then all hell is going to break out.


28 posted on 11/16/2013 2:30:42 PM PST by JamesA (You done 't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: Carry_Okie
This whole story is worth reading.

I agree. Read the whole thing.

This is nasty, nasty stuff.

29 posted on 11/16/2013 2:39:35 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment. [Ludwig Von Mises])
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To: GeronL

We still have toilet paper. For now.


30 posted on 11/16/2013 2:46:58 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

so far, so good


31 posted on 11/16/2013 2:47:32 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

Yes, he is for immigration reform. In 2010 he spoke in favor of Arizona’s immigration bill. Now he says he supports a “legal pathway” but no one can seem to get much clarity out of him as to what he really means. In other words, he may want to run for prez.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/scott-walker-clarifies-his-stance-in-illegal-immigration-debate-lm8vluj-194096481.html

I like and support Scott Walker for WI. He is doing good work here but I would not support him for President with his current language re: immigration.


32 posted on 11/16/2013 2:55:16 PM PST by conservativegranny
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To: conservativegranny

There is already a legal pathway, go home and apply for it.


33 posted on 11/16/2013 2:55:47 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jean S; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

34 posted on 11/16/2013 2:56:39 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: GeronL
Anything missing from this being a third world banana republic?

Bananas. The only banana farm in the contiguous States shut down a few years back.

35 posted on 11/16/2013 2:58:32 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

That makes me sad.

Was it the Chinese again??


36 posted on 11/16/2013 2:59:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

no it was a sovereign issue


37 posted on 11/16/2013 3:01:05 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Jean S; Travis McGee

Travis, take note. Those damnable JEWS with their political organizing and campaigning and such.


38 posted on 11/16/2013 3:01:56 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: sgtyork
We really need to club these people with a wake up club.

Here ya go!

Awareness photo Awareness.png

39 posted on 11/16/2013 3:05:54 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

So what’s the take-out here? RATS are more afraid of Walker running than Cruz?


40 posted on 11/16/2013 3:07:51 PM PST by txhurl
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To: GeronL

I don’t really know. They were growing scores of varieties in about a city block area in La Conchita. It was said to be a micro-climate ideal for bananas. Very small scale, and I think they just gave up. It’s since been planted with (I think) citrus.


41 posted on 11/16/2013 3:12:59 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: txhurl

They are afraid of any viable candidate.

These are people who think murdering babies in the womb is a sacred right (rite?).

Murdering political careers? Yeah. The more, the younger, the better.


42 posted on 11/16/2013 3:16:09 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: GeronL
We have political oppression now

Anything missing from this being a third world banana republic?


If you like your paranoia, you will be able to keep your paranoia. Period.

If you like your nut job conspiracies, you will be able to keep your nut job conspiracies. Period.


If you like your rights, you will be able to keep your rights. Period.

If you like your sovereignty, you will be able to keep your sovereignty. Period.

No one will take them away. No matter what.




43 posted on 11/16/2013 3:35:57 PM PST by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation sucks.)
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To: OwenKellogg

bump


44 posted on 11/16/2013 3:37:42 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Jean S. Violation of law going back without a break to 1215:
a special prosecutor is targeting conservative groups that participated in the battle over Governor Scott Walker's union reforms... Francis Schmitz has hit dozens of conservative groups with subpoenas demanding documents related to the 2011 and 2012 campaigns to recall Governor Walker and state legislative leaders... The probe began in the office of Milwaukee County Assistant District Attorney Bruce Landgraf, though no one will publicly claim credit for appointing Mr. Schmitz... taking place under Wisconsin's John Doe law, which bars a subpoena's targets from disclosing its contents to anyone but his attorneys. John Doe probes work much like a grand jury, allowing prosecutors to issue subpoenas and conduct searches, while the gag orders leave the targets facing the resources of the state with no way to publicly defend themselves.
The private way of defending themselves is to kill both of them and switch the heads on the bodies. I mean that figuratively of course.


45 posted on 11/16/2013 3:46:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: wiggen

everything tossed at walker has been organized outside of wisconsin.


46 posted on 11/16/2013 5:24:04 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: GeronL

no.


47 posted on 11/16/2013 5:24:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: wiggen; All

“The prod for this could come from outside of Wisconsin.”

Good point. Wisconsinites DID NOT want Tammy Baldwin as our CongressLesbian, either. She was groomed, bought and paid for with out of state money!

Now, she’s our flippin’ SENATOR!

It’s amazing to me that more people don’t see state and national politics for what it truly is, A Game of Thrones!

*SHUDDER*


48 posted on 11/16/2013 6:24:06 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: null and void

wish they would do as much against the unions (ain’t holding my breath though)


49 posted on 11/16/2013 7:48:25 PM PST by Nifster
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To: SunkenCiv

How much past too far is gonna be far enough?


50 posted on 11/16/2013 9:24:44 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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