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PBS Dem Pundit Mark Shields: If Obamacare Fails, 'This Is The End...of Liberal Government'
NewsBusters ^ | November 16, 2013 | Tim Graham

Posted on 11/16/2013 8:47:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Barack Obama being clear that his team messed up Obamacare made it hard for liberal PBS NewsHour pundit Mark Shields to try Democrat Happy Talk.

Instead, Shields joined the liberal gloomfest: “If this goes down, if the Obama -- if health care, the Affordable Care Act is deemed a failure, this is the end -- I really mean it -- of liberal government.” He even acknowledged Obama lied about Keeping Your Plan:

MARK SHIELDS: That is -- wasn't a true statement. And you're driven to one of two conclusions. Either the president was almost -- almost negligently uncurious in not asking about what the answer was, or he made the choice to trade his considerable reputation and record of integrity for short-term political gain. That's why they had to come and that's why there was such consternation in the ranks.

JUDY WOODRUFF: How do you explain it, David, what happened, with the president acknowledging yesterday that he wasn't on top of it?

DAVID BROOKS: Yes, I think it is politics. They knew that they -- getting this thing passed -- we were there -- it was hard. And so they were pulling out every political stop in the book. And a lot of those political stops have made it harder now. The first early one was, they were really late in issuing the regulations because they didn't want them to come out during the campaign so Romney could attack them.

As a result, the whole implementation got pushed back, and that's part of the reason the Web site is such a mess. And then they made this political calculation. Then they made the -- that they weren't going to tell you there will be losers here. And they made the political calculation....

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KEYWORDS: 2014; aca; democrats; liberals; obama; obamacare; theend
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1 posted on 11/16/2013 8:47:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The end of Statism?

Too good to be true.


2 posted on 11/16/2013 8:48:56 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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3 posted on 11/16/2013 8:50:31 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then, by all means, we should do everything in our power to ensure that O[phony]bamacare fails!


4 posted on 11/16/2013 8:51:01 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I. HOPE. HE. FAILS.

This country is too good for liberal mediocrity.

It’s WE. THE. PEOPLE.

Not you snot-nosed, arrogant know-it-all theorists in D.C.


5 posted on 11/16/2013 8:52:43 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anything we can do to help! Anything!


6 posted on 11/16/2013 8:53:55 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not if the GOPe has anything to say about it.


7 posted on 11/16/2013 8:54:14 PM PST by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, and the final scene of Friday the 13th was the end of Jason.


8 posted on 11/16/2013 8:54:31 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we’re going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you’ll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won’t have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President’s promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the chairman’s mark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That’s a strong commitment. It’s clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That’s the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you’ll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won’t. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “…it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.”(Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)


9 posted on 11/16/2013 8:54:53 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Half of the country wants free fairy skittles, and they always will, right to the end. See Detroit.

It would take a harsher stick across the brow than OCare failure to change the LIV mind.

Besides, the collectivists run the schools and universities.


10 posted on 11/16/2013 8:55:05 PM PST by lurk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the president was almost -- almost negligently uncurious in not asking about what the answer was

Just say it: "he lied."

That's turning out to be harder than getting LBJ to say "Negro" instead of "nigra."

11 posted on 11/16/2013 8:55:17 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Think of Obamacare as Social Security or Medicare on fast-forward - they sound good, seem to work in the short run, but are ultimately unsustainable.

The main difference is that the latter are taking a couple of generations to unwind; Obamacare is falling apart in real time. And that’s the genius of Obama - he’s demonstrated the folly of liberal fantasies in a way that even some in the lo-info crowd can understand.


12 posted on 11/16/2013 8:55:51 PM PST by Stosh
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To: BenLurkin

Liberalism is like rust. It will always be there eating away at the foundation, and integrity of this country. All we can do it cut it out where we can, and repair the damage caused. But it is human nature to be lazy, so it will always be there looking for its chance to take hold.


13 posted on 11/16/2013 8:56:27 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s called a F<>^€ Lie.

Impeach the knob


14 posted on 11/16/2013 8:56:34 PM PST by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s called a F<>^€ Lie.

Impeach the knob


15 posted on 11/16/2013 8:56:35 PM PST by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
'This Is The End...of Liberal Government'

This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end.

16 posted on 11/16/2013 8:59:33 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“WHEN this goes down, if the Obama — if health care, the Affordable Care Act is deemed a failure, this is the end — I really mean it — of liberal government.”

...there, fixed it for him

This bill, the horrific bumbling of the Website and Obama being reelected has turned into about the best thing that Conservatives could ever ask for, really.

...Now Romney didnt repeal it - meaning we are spared years of “Repubs took your health care away”

...Now Obama has been exposed for all to see as pure incompetent over this and the endless scandals which have broken since reelection

...Now “Big Government can do this” has people so turned off of them they are mocking Obamacare at football games

...Now not only will they not be able to say “look, Obamacare works but it left some holes so we need full control thru a single-payer”, they are likely to see Obamacare fold completely and the market go even further free-market then was possible prior to this debacle

...Now Dems have lost/are losing whatever credibility they built up after the Bush years; squandering it on an Utopian Fantasy that has made them a laughing stock

It sure seems as though (or at least I like to think, at least) God is up there looking down on us shaking his head, angry we didn’t just trust in his plans all along.


17 posted on 11/16/2013 9:00:55 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, I think it is politics. They knew that they — getting this thing passed — <<

NANCY!!.....Want to read it now???


18 posted on 11/16/2013 9:00:58 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Nahhh I Dont Think So

the end of liberal government?

we all wish but its not true at all


19 posted on 11/16/2013 9:01:30 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Exquisite!


20 posted on 11/16/2013 9:02:44 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Yogafist

Indeed. As Neil Young (I think) said, “Rust never sleeps.”


21 posted on 11/16/2013 9:04:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: lurk

“Besides, the collectivists run the schools and universities.”
____________________________________________
You left out their other key to taking control of America and making it into the USSA.
In addition to owning education, K thru grad school), the Marxist also own the MAIN STREAM MEDIA.


22 posted on 11/16/2013 9:06:25 PM PST by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

May we have this in writing?


23 posted on 11/16/2013 9:07:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If our side were guilty of a deception even just one third as monumental as treacherous as Obamacare, do any if us believe even for one microsecond that wed get even a scintilla a of political mercy from them?

FIGURATIVELY:

BURN THE HUTS, THROW THE SQUEELING KIDS DOWN THE WELL, STAMP ON THE THROATS OF THEIR RASPING ELDERS...

sorry, but that us EXACLTY what they would do to us and then they’d have a sandwich and play video games.


24 posted on 11/16/2013 9:09:02 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Little Pig

Feel free to pass it around.


25 posted on 11/16/2013 9:09:23 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

26 posted on 11/16/2013 9:11:50 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Jet Jaguar

Great post.


27 posted on 11/16/2013 9:11:58 PM PST by pluvmantelo (Islam-No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Bookmarking.


28 posted on 11/16/2013 9:12:08 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

29 posted on 11/16/2013 9:13:15 PM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The end of Communism..that will be the day that I do my very first cartwheel!! This guy says the end of liberalism like its a bad thing..I am counting the days that liberals will just leave America and create their own wasteland that they can live in and leave the rest of us alone


30 posted on 11/16/2013 9:14:40 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: stanne

I’m sure they are on it.


31 posted on 11/16/2013 9:14:49 PM PST by FreeperCell
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To: lurk

“Besides, the collectivists run the schools and universities.”

I was just thinking that the other day when someone wrote Obama at one time was pushing for government sponsored daycare. then they could brainwash your child from about the age of three to twenty two.


32 posted on 11/16/2013 9:16:56 PM PST by willywill
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To: MUDDOG

Lenny Bruce did a hilarious bit about that.


33 posted on 11/16/2013 9:17:03 PM PST by pluvmantelo (Islam-No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.)
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To: pluvmantelo

I knew there was a routine, but didn’t know it was Lenny.


34 posted on 11/16/2013 9:18:30 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: Jet Jaguar

35 posted on 11/16/2013 9:19:48 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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“They are rooting for failure. I mean, it’s so transparent, and so obvious, whether it’s Darrell Issa, whether it’s Reince Priebus, the chairman. They’re just cheering for failure. “

did they root for stalin to fail?


36 posted on 11/16/2013 9:20:48 PM PST by willywill
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To: pluvmantelo

Bttt


37 posted on 11/16/2013 9:23:07 PM PST by Guenevere
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To: GeronL

Ahh, but it really is possibly ending.

Think about it:

Reagan - shrinks Government like crazy, people love him
Bush1 - breaks his promise, grows it a bit (he gets booted)
Clinton - 2 years in, the people say “F* this” leading to “the era of Big Government is over”
Bush2 - a progressive in our mist, and people turn to Dems trying to get away from it
Obama - 2 years in, people again say “F* this” once more but are unsuccessful this time around as Dems do everything possible to try and hold onto their dream.

Their problem holding onto it much longer though?
...Unions are losing membership everywhere (meaning less cash & power)
...Dem cities are going bankrupt everywhere
...Governments everywhere are turning over traditionally Government-Responsibilities to private, for-profit companies (meaning fewer Government employees)
...People are fed up with the Teachers Union stronghold on education
...Climate Change is being exposed as a fraud, so they don’t even have that to fall back on
...the Mid-West is waking up to the destructive Dem policies, testing the waters with Republicans at a high rate (similar to what the South in the ‘90s.)

I really do see this as a turning point in the country. prior to the 90s, Dems flat dominated across the country never allowing Repubs to take much control of the House/Senate. Now we are in a position where it looks like the exact opposite can be true for the foreseeable future (even die-hard Libs are saying Dems taking control of the House again anytime in the next 10 years or more might be a pipe-dream. Dems end up losing the Mid-West and the Senate could quite possibly be the same way for years and years to come)

And the best part of it is the fact that Libertarians are stealing away the Youth Vote from the Dems, so a Libertarian/TEA-Party joint push could completely dominate the Republican Policies over this time-frame (RINOs know this oh too well, hence the fear of the TEA-Party rising)


38 posted on 11/16/2013 9:23:59 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Won’t it be great when we can chant:

“OBAMA LIED, LIBERALISM DIED”!!!

(doing to themselves what most Republicans didn’t have the balls to do)


39 posted on 11/16/2013 9:26:07 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Mark (Maxi) Shields is worried, I’m happy.


40 posted on 11/16/2013 9:28:20 PM PST by Islander2
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To: devolve

Good to hear some encouraging news.

Mark shields worries of liberal demise aside, his thinking is rotted with liberalism and misconceptions. Conservatives are happy to help those that truly need it....through govt social aid, charity, churches, neighbors and family. There is a point , however, at which we refuse to go; that generally being robbed by taxes , watching money wasted by the boatload to care for those refusing to help themselves and a certain neighboring countries destitute.


41 posted on 11/16/2013 9:29:31 PM PST by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, that alone makes Obamacare’s failure worthwhile.


42 posted on 11/16/2013 9:30:37 PM PST by Jean2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just said to get the libs all worked up. Nobody watches that show anyway but liberals.


43 posted on 11/16/2013 9:32:28 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“.....or he made the choice to trade his considerable reputation and record of integrity for short-term political gain.”

Oh, Mark! “Considerable Reputation and Record of Integrity,” you must have had a couple of extra pulls on the Bong just before you went on the air!


44 posted on 11/16/2013 9:33:05 PM PST by vette6387
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; BenLurkin
“If this goes down, if the Obama -- if health care, the Affordable Care Act is deemed a failure, this is the end -- I really mean it -- of liberal government.”

Like Hell. As long as there is stupid in humans, there will be liberalism and liberal governments.

45 posted on 11/16/2013 9:33:48 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leftist orthodoxy: The ends justify the means. Lying in the pursuit of power is no vice.


46 posted on 11/16/2013 9:38:41 PM PST by MNnice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
how many times have we've heard that before. :-|

47 posted on 11/16/2013 9:42:35 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A malignant narcissist surrounds himself with people who feed his grandiosity. In the case of Obama, they are at least as malignant as he is.

A malignant narcissist also believes that what he says is true, is true.

A narcissist’s greatest fear is that others around him, those who insulate him from reality, will discover what he really knows in secret — that he is empty and less than zero.

His response might be to lash out or it might be to withdraw. I think Obama withdrew some time ago to protect himself from discovery. I don’t think he is organized enough to lash out effectively. The malignant people around him may act as surrogates to do so, but they are now facing millions of normal people, not just ‘right-wing wackos.’

Another dynamic of narcissism is that normal people who surround a narcissist, upon discovering that he really is empty and less than zero, go to the opposite extremes of scorn and schadenfreude. The latest Dummy Funnies are hinting at that, although I hesitate to call the people at DU ‘normal.’

I don’t think Obama yet admits that he has been found out. I’m not sure he ever will. Treatment of narcissism, whether professional or informal, is universally ineffective. But the people who have wafted him along on the breezes of his narcissistic charm may soon be finding a position for him in another area where his charm can do little damage.

I’m no psychiatrist, but I know all this to be true, having failed to endure a narcissist supervisor, and having studied the topic intensely as a result.


48 posted on 11/16/2013 9:44:23 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It would be working just fine if everyone stopped pointing out the things that are wrong with it.”


49 posted on 11/16/2013 9:45:14 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RrdwElnTU


50 posted on 11/16/2013 9:48:55 PM PST by Beowulf9
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