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Arctic ice [build-up] may help alter hurricane paths
Orlando Sentinel ^ | November 16, 2013 | Ken Kaye

Posted on 11/17/2013 1:47:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

A hurricane hunter aircraft sent to the Arctic to study ice formations returned this month with critical data that might explain why an increasing number of tropical storms seem to be taking irregular paths.

Scientists are trying to determine how much heat is released into the atmosphere when Arctic ice builds up in autumn. That heat release is believed to shift the jet stream, a fast-moving, high altitude river of air, farther to the south.

That shift, in turn, might be slowing down or even stalling tropical systems, before they can re-curve east and out to sea, scientists say.

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Bond said the faster the ice builds up, the more heat is released into the atmosphere.

"We could see and feel the tremendous amount of heat coming out of the ocean," he said. "That's what it takes to make ice, to lose heat like crazy."...........

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


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KEYWORDS: arcticice; climatechange; globalwarming; hurricane
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Holy smokes, 'Land ... I had to go look to see what the Iowa State flag was ...

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21 posted on 11/17/2013 5:50:20 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Looking at the 2013 hurricane season tracks they are a little squirrely but it indicates to me cooler air is dominating lower latitudes of the northern hemisphere.


22 posted on 11/17/2013 6:55:58 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: knarf
American SUV's have caused the Arctic ice build-up

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23 posted on 11/17/2013 6:58:58 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone you see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Also, if you look at the amount of the global tropical(ACE) accumulated cyclonic energy, it was only 25% of normal indicating a cooler ocean.


24 posted on 11/17/2013 7:06:39 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You are correct, but the article was poorly written.

The more ice you have in the artic will increase the amount of heat reflected back into the atmosphere and space. This could cause a relative warming in the atmosphere in the local area. However, as you said the formation of ice will take heat out. The heat the aircraft felt is the sunlight being reflected off the ice.


25 posted on 11/17/2013 8:59:20 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So, the Atlantic had a historically weak season, while the Pacific had a normal season. Your theory fails observation. Unless of course you are trying to state it only affects the Atlantic.

And they also lied about super typhoon Haiyan. It ranks as only the 7th strongest storm in Philippines history.

26 posted on 11/17/2013 10:04:00 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They use Sandy as one example.

Bastardi has shown that during periods of global cooling, (which is happening now), canes tend to turn north before they get to the Caribbean. That means there will be more going up the east coast. That is simply due to the fact that the temperate zone is stronger as compared to the tropical zone during cooling phases. The heat all originates in the equatorial tropical zones that receive the most sunlight. Polar areas receive no sunlight in winter. So they are looking at the situation backwards or confusing cause and affect. Which is normal for leftists pukes.

27 posted on 11/17/2013 10:11:17 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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28 posted on 11/17/2013 8:05:08 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: justa-hairyape
The heat all originates in the equatorial tropical zones that receive the most sunlight.

Click on most years lately here: http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php and there is a bit of extra warmth in the fall. That's the energy given up by the liquid water when it freezes. It's a significant amount, however it pales in comparison to natural variation which can be seen in the same charts.

Therefore it is just plain silly to claim that it causes weather pattern changes. This is the weather that caused the left hook by Sandy:

It is simply weather with sporadic changes and long term natural fluctuations. Sandy just happened along at a time when NAO was very negative. In Pacific, despite an average season, super typhoon Haiyan happened to hit land at peak strength, just another coincidence. As you pointed out, there have been numerous stronger storms in the past.

29 posted on 11/18/2013 3:55:08 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

But, but, but I thought all the polar bears were dying because there was NO ICE? Did Al Gore and his fellow liberal idiots lie? No No No... it just can’t be...


30 posted on 11/18/2013 8:29:22 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: palmer
Good info. So it was the combination of the cold NAO and the cold PDO, which did not allow the tropical storm to continue heading due west once it ventured a little north.

Warming in fall, we used to call that Indian Summer up in Michigan. So the freezing water that turned to ice released heat as a result of receiving cold. Humans have a problem looking at heat and cold. They are basically the same units only they are located on different sides of the axis. We need a cold index.

31 posted on 11/18/2013 7:16:26 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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