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Seven States Sue EPA To Crack Down on Residential Wood Burning
CNSNews ^ | 11/15/2013 | Barbara Hollingsworth

Posted on 11/17/2013 9:09:47 AM PST by rktman

A lawsuit filed against the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) by seven states is seeking to force the federal agency to impose stringent new regulations on residential wood-burning heaters, which they claim “can increase particle pollution to levels that cause significant health concerns.” (See EPA wood-burning lawsuit.pdf)

The lawsuit, filed last month in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by the attorneys general of Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont, is directed against currently unregulated “indoor and outdoor wood boilers,” which have become an increasingly popular way to heat homes, particularly in rural areas.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: ecowackos; energy; epa; epaoutofcontrol; firewood; rogueagency; waroncoal; waronwood; woodburningstoves
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I'm sure all those folks who depend on wood burning to heat their homes have plenty of extra cash just sittin' around to upgrade to more modern efficient/environmentally correct method of heating their homes. Just look at all the money they must have saved over the years by not using electric, fuel oil, propane or any other method. Maybe they could consider some wind power to heat their homes. Remember, your energy prices will necessarily skyrocket.
1 posted on 11/17/2013 9:09:47 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Insanity.

Only you can prevent forest fires.
/s


2 posted on 11/17/2013 9:13:00 AM PST by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: rktman

health concerns.. haaa.

better to freeze to death, I reckun.. and how many times can ya shovel the snow off of solar panels.. or do they self clean?


3 posted on 11/17/2013 9:13:55 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: rktman

How can this be?

Firewood is an American renewable biomass fuel.

All the things the treehuggers want for energy.

/S


4 posted on 11/17/2013 9:14:14 AM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: rktman
That reminds me to throw another old tire on the burn pile.

/johnny

5 posted on 11/17/2013 9:16:20 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: hadaclueonce

the epa is responsible for those fires too. this agency is insane with power


6 posted on 11/17/2013 9:16:24 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: rktman

This is all about lost tax revenue. If you’re not buying electricity, or fuel from commercial sources the states are losing taxes. Sick, but par for the course in lib land.


7 posted on 11/17/2013 9:18:38 AM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: rktman

The Bill of Rights at least nominally protects you from abuses by the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.

There is no Bill of Rights to protect you from the regulators. There is no limitation on their powers. The other three branches of government have delegated power to them for precisely that reason.


8 posted on 11/17/2013 9:21:58 AM PST by marron
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To: rktman
Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont

So freeze.
9 posted on 11/17/2013 9:22:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Where in the Constitution is congress authorized to delegate its law making/changing authority to an unelected govt entity. It’s illegal but common.


10 posted on 11/17/2013 9:23:43 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: rktman

And these states wonder why they keep losing residents in droves. I guess people will have to bundle up like Ralphie’s brother in “Christmas Story.’


11 posted on 11/17/2013 9:23:44 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: rktman

i’m in NY...i’m having my fireplace flue cleaned tomorrow...i think this year we will have more fires than usual...


12 posted on 11/17/2013 9:24:46 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: rktman

I just mentioned to a buddy of mine yesterday that the one thing I miss most about fall in Michigan is the smell of burning leaves......


13 posted on 11/17/2013 9:25:04 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I don't call "911", in my house, I AM '911"....)
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To: rktman

Nazi’s being Nazi’s...

Treat accordingly.


14 posted on 11/17/2013 9:25:36 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

Peoples Republic of Austin Texas signed a deal to buy electricity from a Wood Burning Generator in East Texas.

Paid 5X the going rate for electric futures.

I was trying to buy some old railroad ties, was told they were all sold to the generators.

“but, but, we are doing it for our children...”

/s


15 posted on 11/17/2013 9:26:05 AM PST by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: rktman
Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont

All blue states. Freeze to death you stupid bastards. Serve you right.

16 posted on 11/17/2013 9:26:56 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: rktman

Let’s just ban fire and be done with it.

Rush covered this tactic, a group sues a govt agency just to give the agency cover to do what it wants to do. Now it can say we had to do this to end the law suit.


17 posted on 11/17/2013 9:29:11 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: rktman

Do what people do here in eastern Oregon, build a big ass bonfire of scrub and brush, and dare the EPA to show up and put it out.

The EPA has caused more problems than they have solved, and they need to just go away, as in being defunded and eliminated.

Burning wood for heat has been going on since the beginning of time, and it’s no different than burning fuel oil or natural gas. The only difference is that the gas and oil players want the feds to guarantee and enforce their monopoly.

I will burn whatever I reasonably need to keep warm and cook my food, and if the feds don’t like it, tough shit!


18 posted on 11/17/2013 9:29:27 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: rktman

Just put a catalytic converter on it. Then you can run your fireplace any time of year even when there are burn bans when a high pressure system is parked over you.


19 posted on 11/17/2013 9:29:30 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: rktman

Up`n here in the mountains we dun got them Hickory wooden bullets so we don` pollute them Cuomounista revenooers `n Commie EPA guys.


20 posted on 11/17/2013 9:29:53 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: rktman
Can't have independent people heating their homes with a truly renewable energy source.

They'd be much better off with heavily regulated solar power provided by some crony capitalist and a subsidy from the government they can think about keeping when going to the polls.

21 posted on 11/17/2013 9:32:23 AM PST by skeeter
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To: factoryrat

Well, you gotta admit they did wonders in the Klamath Basin. NOT! Go Bucket Brigade!


22 posted on 11/17/2013 9:32:57 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman
all those folks who depend on wood burning to heat their homes have plenty of extra cash just sittin' around to upgrade to more modern efficient/environmentally correct method of heating their homes.

Well, they could build themselves a gasifier, continue to burn wood and make no smoke.

You can build it to utilize many different solid fuels, the gas it produces burns as a blue flame, or can run an engine.

23 posted on 11/17/2013 9:34:31 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: hadaclueonce

Railroad ties are treated lumber, right?
Sue them for releasing toxins into the air, LOL


24 posted on 11/17/2013 9:35:54 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone you see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: rktman

When I think of a rural area, I think of homes about 100 yards apart. Some may be a mile apart.

I’m sure there’s a real danger of those people being harmed by the neighbor’s wood fire. /s

Some leaders deserve to face the people they make laws for, with their backs to a wall when those people have a stone in their hand.


25 posted on 11/17/2013 9:37:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
That reminds me to throw another old tire on the burn pile.
Every time we cleared some land back in the 60's, the only way to burn the stumps and waste was to put a couple tires under the fire. They burn real good - a little smoky, but gets the job done.
26 posted on 11/17/2013 9:37:31 AM PST by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: rktman

Better for people to freeze to death.


27 posted on 11/17/2013 9:39:02 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Good thing we lost our woodburner in that bad boating accident.


28 posted on 11/17/2013 9:42:40 AM PST by MomwithHope (Let's make Mark Levin's The Liberty Amendments a reality!)
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To: rktman
No wood burning -> more forest fires.
And they of course are not particularly clean.

29 posted on 11/17/2013 9:47:16 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: BitWielder1

I think the epa is getting ready to send all the forests a memorandum of understanding that they should cease and desist from any and all fires henceforth. That ought to do it. /s


30 posted on 11/17/2013 9:50:06 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

Those states are not known for balmy winters-they want everyone to freeze?


31 posted on 11/17/2013 9:51:34 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

Well, with the rate of climb in temperatures they’re experiencing, they should be fairly warm within a year or two.
Thank goodness for glo-bull warming. I guess we’re fundamentally transforming the weather.


32 posted on 11/17/2013 9:54:47 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: hadaclueonce

***I was trying to buy some old railroad ties, was told they were all sold to the generators.***

Creosote in those railroad ties burn real well! Makes a fire last a long time.


33 posted on 11/17/2013 9:56:34 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: marron
The Bill of Rights at least nominally protects you from abuses by the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.

That was certainly the idea, and the Anti-Federalists almost defeated ratification of a constitution without one.

OTOH, James Madison knew bills of rights had proved to be mere parchment barriers that often went by the wayside. He determined the best way to secure republican freedom was through separation of powers. First and foremost was vertical separation, meaning a senate of the states.

34 posted on 11/17/2013 10:01:29 AM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: headstamp 2

Better for EPA lickspittles freeze to death (there, I fixed it).


35 posted on 11/17/2013 10:10:35 AM PST by cqnc (Don't Blame ME, I voted for the American!)
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To: rktman
Don't be so quick to condemn this one.

These are not fireplaces or wood-burning stoves that are inside the house.

They are outdoor wood-fired boilers that make hot water which is piped to the house for heat.

They make SMOKE lots and lots of it. And it doesn't rise the way smoke usually does, the interior of the boiler is cool so the smoke is cool. The combustion is inefficient because of this. Because water is piped to the house, they can be installed far away from the house, say on the property line. The neighbors get enough smoke to make their houses unlivable, but the boiler owner gets the heat and not the smoke.

I don't know about you, but when my neighbor installs something that gives him heat and me unlivable smoke, I don't like it. He destroys much of my property value to save less that $1k per year on heating costs.

36 posted on 11/17/2013 10:23:35 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

My question is,
does the problem between two neighbors that you describe
require a federal bureaucracy to intervene?


37 posted on 11/17/2013 10:28:18 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: rktman

Actually, if you start with some money and work, a little or a lot, it makes a lot of sense to have what is called an oven-stove or tile stove. They are a heck of a lot more efficient than air convection stoves for heat, and the fuel is burned a lot more thoroughly, so produces very little smoke. Unless, of course, you *like* to chop wood.

(lots of pretty pictures of oven stoves and tile stoves.)

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/12/tile-stoves.html

http://www.rvharvey.com/kachelofen.htm


38 posted on 11/17/2013 10:29:15 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (War on Terror news at rantburg.com)
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To: logic101.net

I agree. BTW, the tactic is called ‘sue and settle’.


39 posted on 11/17/2013 10:37:44 AM PST by pluvmantelo (Islam-No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.)
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To: rktman
They will save enough for new wood burning furnaces when
they are forced to buy affordable health insurance.
40 posted on 11/17/2013 10:38:48 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: rktman

Most of the warming alarmists have forgotten-or choose to ignore-that Greenland was actually green in the 9th-10th century, some of the Vikings went there to live, and left when it got cold again. Wine was once produced in England, from grapes grown there, too. Humans can’t control the weather or climate-the lunatics just can’t stand that some of us are smart enough to provide cheaper heat for ourselves, and insist on being left alone to do it.

It is a little colder here every winter, and a nice pile of wood for my fireplace and wood stove beats the price of furnace heat any day...


41 posted on 11/17/2013 10:43:34 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: rktman
I think the epa is getting ready to send all the forests a memorandum of understanding that they should cease and desist from any and all fires henceforth.

Great, you just gave the EPA their next idea.

They will want to raise our taxes to pay for it.

42 posted on 11/17/2013 10:43:50 AM PST by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: rktman

This is about DESTROYING SELF SUFFICIENCY!!!

They can’t CONTROL YOU IF YOU’RE SELF SUFFICIENT.

If you’re not DEPENDENT ON UTILITIES CONTROLLED BY THE GOV’T, their power is diminished.


43 posted on 11/17/2013 10:47:11 AM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: hadaclueonce

Well, I know I for one will be more than happy to send them more money. If you got anything left over, you ain’t paying enough. LOL!


44 posted on 11/17/2013 10:49:19 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Snow covered self cleaning solar panels?

Apparently, yes.

http://www.scirustechnologies.com/time_lapse_video_8.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQeRXZa5_E


45 posted on 11/17/2013 10:53:32 AM PST by Senormechanico
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To: rktman

Attorneys general of Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont, are showing extreme political cowardice. If they don’t like them ban them in your own state. Don’t look to the feds to provide political cover for you.


46 posted on 11/17/2013 11:07:04 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Texan5
Most of the warming alarmists have forgotten-or choose to ignore-that Greenland was actually green

oh no your going to get a lecture from another Freeper on that statement.

47 posted on 11/17/2013 11:07:25 AM PST by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Creosote in those railroad ties burn real well! Makes a fire last a long time.

We have a planet to save! Don't bother with the details? /s

48 posted on 11/17/2013 11:10:21 AM PST by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: hadaclueonce

Oh, wow-who is that? I’ve been in lots of pleasant and informative discussions here with other Freepers on everything from the last Ice Age to the Medieval Warming period to the present climate-I apparently missed any disagreements, and enjoyed the conversations.


49 posted on 11/17/2013 11:20:36 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: hadaclueonce

BTW-I agree 100% with your tagline...


50 posted on 11/17/2013 11:21:57 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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