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Is the Affordable Care Act in serious jeopardy?
CBS News ^ | November 17, 2013 | Jake Miller

Posted on 11/17/2013 6:57:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

With an eye on the 2014 midterm elections, a growing number of Democrats are voicing concerns about the insurance cancellations and website problems that have plagued the debut of the Affordable Care Act's insurance exchanges - a phenomenon highlighted Friday when 39 House Democrats broke ranks to support a GOP-authored bill that the White House said would undermine a "central premise" of the healthcare law.

It was a remarkable show of disunity from Democrats, who have splintered every which way in reaction to the Obamacare's rocky debut. And it raises an uncomfortable question for congressional Democrats who voted overwhelmingly in 2010 to approve the Affordable Care Act without any Republicans in tow: Will they have the political fortitude to stick to their guns and fend off changes to the law, or will a vulnerable caucus begin to accept alterations to a bill they've steadfastly safeguarded for years?

Despite the anxiety among her troops, the top Democrat in the House of Representatives insisted Sunday she isn't fretting about the law's future.

"I don't think it's in trouble," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters. "I think we just have to remain calm, get through the website getting fixed, clarify some misrepresentations about it."

"It's the law of the land," she added. "It's an important health, stability issue, security issue for the American people, and I believe that in a matter of months many more people will see that."

She dismissed the 39 Democratic votes for the GOP's proposal to prevent insurance cancellations by extending 2013 plans through 2014 as a "political" maneuver, noting that a similar number of Democrats joined Republicans on dozens of earlier votes to repeal or alter the law....

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; obama; obamacare; pelosi
The end of the beginning or the beginning of the end?
1 posted on 11/17/2013 6:57:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My fear is that we are in more serious jeopardy than the ACA.


2 posted on 11/17/2013 7:00:15 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The end of the beginning or the beginning of the end?

That's the eternal question for those that live with their head up their ass.

3 posted on 11/17/2013 7:00:17 PM PST by digger48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It's the law of the land," she added.

And she might have further added: "And the president has assured the insurance companies that they do not need to follow the law. So it's all good."

4 posted on 11/17/2013 7:00:17 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its gonna get worse and I’m betting there are a lot of democrats worrying about Ted Cruz’s newest warnings.


5 posted on 11/17/2013 7:00:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not YOU!!

Liberals....that is


6 posted on 11/17/2013 7:01:00 PM PST by digger48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It’s the law of the land.”

That they would approach this fiasco in that manner sends chills up my spine. Tyranny is here.


7 posted on 11/17/2013 7:03:01 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Have no fear- the GOPe will rally to the aid of the affordable care act, and help Obama save it- it’s for the children, you know....Undoubtedly there will be a blue ribbon, gang of 20+/- saviors including the ubiquitous McCain, graham, snowe, and other assorted co-conspirators who are dedicated to the destruction of the country who will assist bammy in his war on America.


8 posted on 11/17/2013 7:08:27 PM PST by matthew fuller (Americans deserve better than an illegal alien communist from Kenya.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Insurance companies want ACA because they love a gov mandated that forces private citizens to buy their products. When Obama dropped his single payer approach, the entire healthcare industry backed his passage of ACA. Many freepers are still in denial that healthcare industry sides with ACA. Many argue that ACA is one step toward single payer and why should healthcare industry support it. Corporate America does not operate long term. If ACA is a ten year transition to single payer, corporate America will try to milk all the profits in the 10 year period and will figure out what to do when ACA dies and single payer takes over.
There is a simple common sense experiment. If you are an insurance agent which policy would you like to sell to make commissions. A strip down individual policy that runs a person 300 USD a month (commission 3 percent) or a ACA mandated policy of 600 USD a month (commission 3 percent). The consumer may find the strip down policy acceptable but the agent will find the ACA more desirable for his commission. GOP offer a permanent fix for individual policies but the health insurance industry will work behind the scene to kill it. The health insurance industry is very close to making tons of money under ACA. If ACA runs short on money, guarantee the libs and pro business GOP will band together and have gov provide a bailout for the losses till the gov can no longer afford to do it then ration of care and increase in premiums. No matter how it is paid, the insurance industry will get their cut. The whole situation is tragic for middle class America and even the libs who thought the reform was for the people and now finding out that the reform was to line the pockets of insurance companies. Slowly all Americans will learn that big business and big gov is the enemy of America.


9 posted on 11/17/2013 7:09:18 PM PST by Fee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Or a setup for the game saving Hail Mary by the adroit Lord Obama...


10 posted on 11/17/2013 7:11:19 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: umgud
My fear is that we are in more serious jeopardy than the ACA.

Yep, it's going to take a major diversion to get this story pushed aside.

11 posted on 11/17/2013 7:11:49 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Fee

>> that forces private citizens to buy their products.

or pay a lot less not to.


12 posted on 11/17/2013 7:12:10 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: umgud

My fear is that we are in more serious jeopardy than the ACA.

Your fears are well founded. Nothing is going to happen to the ACA but something will defiantly happen to us. Amnesty is still the focus of the Republican estableshment they really are not bothered by socialized health care because their corporatist friends aren’t bothered.


13 posted on 11/17/2013 7:12:56 PM PST by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: Fee
No matter how it is paid, the insurance industry will get their cut. The whole situation is tragic for middle class America and even the libs who thought the reform was for the people and now finding out that the reform was to line the pockets of insurance companies. Slowly all Americans will learn that big business and big gov is the enemy of America.

Good analysis...another oft overlooked point is that big business in general loves this too. Sure they have to offer healthcare, but they can offer a small monetary amount for the employee to purchase their own healthcare. Of course the healthcare the employee gets is going to be substandard then what they could have had and it will cost them more for a comparable plan and the deductible will be high. So again the middle class will get screwed.

Obama couldn't have planned this any better...the middle class is going to be gone.

14 posted on 11/17/2013 7:14:28 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It's the law of the land," she added.

It's the 'law of the land' that can be flexed and twisted, modified and manipulated, and upheld but broken by one individual if it needs to be to fit his political agend!!! DOUBLEPLUSGOOD...

15 posted on 11/17/2013 7:14:52 PM PST by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The ACA, blundered foreign policy, poor economic strategery, and a bunch more at some point must move from rhetoric, wordsmithing, and posturing, into actionable deeds. The longer the timeline on the words into the deeds the harder it becomes to survive. The media has given him his own rope in the form of time without question. Yards and yards of it.


16 posted on 11/17/2013 7:15:53 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: umgud
the very fact that nancy pelosi is still being regularly elected .... is all the proof we need that we are in fact in far FAR more serious trouble that even this monstrous fiasco known officially as the ACA.

"in only a few more months"...it will be 2o14 and there will be a whole lot of democrats ana d fair sized bunch of republicans looking for a JOB.


17 posted on 11/17/2013 7:18:26 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: Fee

The central premise of ACA is that young healthy people will sign up in sufficient numbers for expensive policies that they do not want and do not need in order to create a deep enough risk pool to support the elderly, preexisting conditions, and subsidized poor — and that is simply not going to happen.

Look at who we are talking about here. This is the “gimme mine” generation. They do not pay for things they don’t get, their ethos is to get without paying. Even if it was the slickest website in the universe and each policy came with a free keg of beer delivered to their pad on the same day they signed up, they’d still avoid signing up. Or, if they signed up, they wouldn’t pay.

The whole thing is utterly unworkable, and they know it. It always has been.


18 posted on 11/17/2013 7:19:42 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

19 posted on 11/17/2013 7:20:31 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: matthew fuller
the GOPe will rally to the aid of the affordable care act, and help Obama save it-

Yeah...that is really unlikely.

20 posted on 11/17/2013 7:21:28 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It’s the law of the land,” but if we have learned anything from Obama, it’s that laws are meant to be broken.

Once Pelosi gets looped into a lie, she never gets out of it. She is still telling people this fascist boondoggle is going to be affordable.


21 posted on 11/17/2013 7:21:45 PM PST by pallis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let's play Baghdad Bob or Nancy Pelosi....first question:

"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying"

22 posted on 11/17/2013 7:27:51 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Fee
A strip down individual policy that runs a person 300 USD a month (commission 3 percent) or a ACA mandated policy of 600 USD a month

That is flawed logic.

If you want to use those premium levels as an example...that is per person, per month. In the case of a family, take it times three...or four. Additionally, it could triple to $900 per life per month.

Great commission, too bad nobody can afford it.

BTW...in Maine, it's already around $400.

23 posted on 11/17/2013 7:30:51 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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the democrats will throw enough money at it to make it through the 2014s and then it will collapse..


24 posted on 11/17/2013 7:32:00 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It's the law of the land," she added . . .

...so was just fugitive slave act.

25 posted on 11/17/2013 7:37:27 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: newnhdad

the democrats will throw enough money at it to make it through the 2014s and then it will collapse..


You are dreaming. It’s not going to collapse on it’s own. The kenyan will just continue making @$@# up as he goes along to keep it alive.


26 posted on 11/17/2013 7:45:41 PM PST by lodi90
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Central premise? What’s the central premise- to throw the majority out of their current health insurance plans so they can be forced into dictated plans where they are grossly overcharged for mandated coverage they have no need for.


27 posted on 11/17/2013 7:50:34 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It’s the law of the land,” she added.

So was Plessy v Fergeson. What’s your point?


28 posted on 11/17/2013 7:51:55 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Guess that you missed this-http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3071936/posts


29 posted on 11/17/2013 7:57:21 PM PST by matthew fuller (Americans deserve better than an illegal alien communist from Kenya.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Either it is or America is.....
Can’t have both.......


30 posted on 11/17/2013 8:09:05 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign is for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t worry, the fascists in the GOPe will save Obama Care.


31 posted on 11/17/2013 8:13:56 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: matthew fuller

Yeah, some uber-RINOs voted like the RATs they are...that is hardly a “rally” to save HusseinCare.

A lot of bad juju has happened since September.


32 posted on 11/17/2013 8:24:44 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: digger48
You mean idiots like Winston Churchill?

1942: "It is not even the beginning to the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

So tell us einstein, what do you know, besides nothing, and what have you done, besides nothing, that puts Churchill to shame?

33 posted on 11/17/2013 8:26:16 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: JohnBrowdie

Our immigration laws are the “law of the land”, but I don’t see Pelosi concerned with enforcing those laws.


34 posted on 11/17/2013 9:06:46 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m betting there are a lot of democrats worrying about Ted Cruz’s newest warnings.

Forgive my ignorance but, what are Ted Cruz's newest warnings? Or, is there a link I can go to and read it? Ted Cruz is my Senator. The other Senator, here in Texas, is a John McCain clone.
35 posted on 11/17/2013 9:17:45 PM PST by Din Maker
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Is the Affordable Care Act in serious jeopardy?

Is the Pope Catholic?
36 posted on 11/17/2013 9:17:45 PM PST by Din Maker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My guess is in the end after the dust settles the individual mandate and policy coverage minimums will die quietly.

The policy of mandatory acceptance of people with preexisting conditions will stay as well as the expanded Medicare/Medicaid roles and as such Obamacare will be hailed as a landmark piece of legislation.

And as costs skyrocket then the Dems/MSM will blame the RINOs for skewering a perfectly good piece of legislation and putting the people in jeopardy all for politics.


37 posted on 11/17/2013 9:25:02 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I think you nailed it.


38 posted on 11/17/2013 9:44:38 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Fee

I agree, Fee, this is exactly what I have been saying over the last few days. The insurance company is now not your friend.


39 posted on 11/17/2013 10:08:05 PM PST by Lake Living
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To: hinckley buzzard

You know damn well what I meant.


40 posted on 11/18/2013 4:58:55 AM PST by digger48
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