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White House working with insurers to bypass Healthcare.gov: WSJ
CNBC ^ | Published: Monday, 18 Nov 2013 | 3:18 PM ET

Posted on 11/18/2013 1:32:34 PM PST by Lazamataz

The White House said it is working with insurers to work around the distressed Healthcare.gov, reported The Wall Street Journal Monday.

The Obamacare website was launched on Oct. 1 and since then been scrutinized for various defects.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamacare
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To: Lazamataz

Yeah, I understand the HealthCare.gov is going to have a scratch and sniff feature by January 1st.


21 posted on 11/18/2013 2:06:26 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Obama is a proven liar, an admitted liar, an unrepentent liar.)
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To: Lazamataz

So .. the President is working with people to SKIRT THE LAW .. isn’t that “aiding and abeting” on the insurance carrier’s part ..??

Or .. I guess it could be “fraud”, or possibly aiding and abeting on the President’s part ..??

WOW! These people are truly more lawless than I’ve seen since the Clinton admin.


22 posted on 11/18/2013 2:07:44 PM PST by CyberAnt (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: maine yankee

Aside from the question of where all the new money is coming from (to do remedial work), if the insurers are going to essentially run the website how can the government allow them and get access to sensitive personal information?

Obamacare is a monumental train wreck.


23 posted on 11/18/2013 2:12:04 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Lazamataz

Non-functional website cost... are we over a billion yet?


24 posted on 11/18/2013 2:14:21 PM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Lazamataz
Where are the Democrats with "IT'S THE LAW!!"

It's no mystery that IMMEDIATELY AFTER Barry met with Democrats in a secret meeting, JOB ONE is to get as much of the nasty stuff pushed PAST THE 2014 MIDTERMS to minimize 0bamacare's damage to Democrat campaigns.

25 posted on 11/18/2013 2:18:50 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We’ve pretty much gotten to the point where the left accepts the premise that Obama’s word is law.


26 posted on 11/18/2013 2:21:38 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Southack

Your #2 cannot be right — the Obamacare web site must be essential. The model they’re using is a direct marketing insurance product distribution model, meaning the web site is critical. It is critical for educating the insurance customers, leading them to product decisions (essential in establishing an insurance contract, or any contract, and gathering the customer enrollment data needed to) build the contact documents between the insurer and the insured.

Totally agree with your #1 and #3 assessments — November 30 is toast, and the Obamacare party is very nervous.

Trying to switch from a direct marketing model to an agency model for insurance product distribution will be fatal. Agency model is labor intensive (major medical insurers will need to dramatically and rapidly increase staffing) and it is not amenable to sharing data about the plans of competitors. The Government would need to share subsidy calculation tables with the insurance companies to avoid the use of the Obamacare web site to perform the subsidy-calculation function (probably one of the factors that led the government to some of the site design attributes — there was apparent need to keep the subsidy information very protected information).

The techies working on the site must be telling them that (a) your legacy, backend databases are your limiting factors for peak capacity and data integrity, and (b) the real fix is months-to-years away, for them to entertain switching to an agency model of product distribution.

My two cents.


27 posted on 11/18/2013 2:43:02 PM PST by the Original Dan Vik ("Men don't follow titles, they follow courage." -William Wallace in Braveheart, 1995)
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To: Starboard

Where’s the funding coming from from? Or does the White Hut get to spend whatever it wants on whatever it wants?


I suspect it’s a combination of diverting funds and blackmailing the insurance companies for free (to the administration) labor and resources.


28 posted on 11/18/2013 2:43:38 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Lazamataz

This is real, I just tried it (type in a semi-colon in the search box).

BWAHHHAAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAA !!!

29 posted on 11/18/2013 2:44:25 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Starboard
Where is all the money coming from?

Let me tell you about a place called Ben & Janet's....

30 posted on 11/18/2013 2:44:40 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone you see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: the Original Dan Vik

They hired 635,000 clerks for the census.

I can’t believe a half million clerks with Obamaphones and office equipment couldn’t do the job.

Think of the upside for employment stats, too.


31 posted on 11/18/2013 2:46:35 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone you see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: nascarnation

Insurance agents have to be hired, trained and licensed. State laws. Even The One cannot waive that.

They also have to pass a licensing exam in order to get the license. There have to be enough trainers to teach the licensing class. There have to be enough facilities to hold the classes in.

The supply chain for 200,000 trained, licensed agents would take months-to-years.


32 posted on 11/18/2013 2:50:36 PM PST by the Original Dan Vik ("Men don't follow titles, they follow courage." -William Wallace in Braveheart, 1995)
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To: Lazamataz
These are very scary times. A sitting president has never asked a major U.S. corporation, much less several, to intentionally violate federal law, until now.


Stand for Freedom!
33 posted on 11/18/2013 3:03:14 PM PST by JJHLH1
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To: SecondAmendment; Southack; Travis McGee; BuckeyeTexan; GeorgiaDawg32; Mr. K; FreedomPoster; ...
Wow.

Follow my post up, and check this out.

They aren't even doing a basic SQL scrub.

I could, right this second, cause them to drop all their tables.

LOL!

34 posted on 11/18/2013 3:05:02 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

I saw the prices and I’m not visiting any insurance site.


35 posted on 11/18/2013 3:07:18 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: nascarnation

The Census waits to receive their first set of replies via the mail.

They know where people live and fill in the blanks with these workers going door to door.

The Feds have little idea where to find the uninsured in a way that they could effectively sign people up in less than a 6 months to a year. They just don’t have the time to catch these moving targets.

There only shot was to entice them in with free stuff. They have failed, if it was ever possible for them to succeed anyway.


36 posted on 11/18/2013 3:28:50 PM PST by GEC (Obamacare is the #MostEpicFailEver)
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To: SecondAmendment; Southack; Travis McGee; BuckeyeTexan; GeorgiaDawg32; Mr. K; FreedomPoster
I'm going to back off my assertion. They HAVE to be doing a SQL scrub. They just HAVE to be! That's HIGH SCHOOL stuff.

Because if they are not, every single person who has ever signed up has now got all their information -- including banking, if they signed up -- in Russia, China, Vietnam, Pakistan, Indonesia, and so on.

Why the search box is showing SQL commands is incomprehensible to me, in sheer incompetance, but NO ONE would put together a system without SQL scrubbing.

If they have, this marks the absolute end of the Obama adminstration. He will be hounded out of office... by the most liberal democrats as well as our side.

37 posted on 11/18/2013 3:52:09 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: dforest

The fewer people who sign up, the better, as far as I’m concerned. The longer this drags out the more the voters will find out about what is in the Obamacare bill and how they are paying more for things that they don’t really want.

The big problem with Obamacare pricing is that they are trying to use it as an affirmative action bill on top of a health insurance program. Included in the legislation is money to pay for college, training programs (certificate programs) and high school programs to prepare racial and ehtnic minorities to work in the health care industry. There is money for parks, jogging trails and gardens in depressed urban areas and on reservations. I could go on and on, but you get the idea. The Obamacare premiums are not buying just health insurance.


38 posted on 11/18/2013 3:52:25 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
So, if the government waives the 3.75% fee do the consumers who do not use the web site get a commensurate deduction in premiums?

Not likely. The job of the web site still needs to be done by someone or something. The Web site would be the cheapest way to give the customer all the relevant options. It would be a self-service site. However now insurers need to find people to answer phones - and those cannot be random people off the street, they need to be sales people with knowledge of the industry and of the specific products that this insurer offers. The insurers will need to round up all retired sales workers, probably. If anything, this "solution" would cost 10x more.

39 posted on 11/18/2013 3:59:48 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard

Concur with your cost estimate — agency model would cost 30%-35% of sales. However, the ineffective part of the agency model is that the last thing their target demographic — 20 somethings — likes to do is pick up a phone and speak with anyone...at all...even their best friends.

That it’s even under consideration speaks to desperation.


40 posted on 11/18/2013 4:13:30 PM PST by the Original Dan Vik ("Men don't follow titles, they follow courage." -William Wallace in Braveheart, 1995)
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