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POPE FRANCIS Blasts Progressive Movement – “The Fruit of the Devil”
thegatewaypundit.com ^ | November 18, 2013 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 11/18/2013 5:02:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

Pope Francis blasted the progressive movement that negotiates everything, even faith.

God save us from the “hegemonic uniformity ” of the “one line of thought”, “fruit of the spirit of the world that negotiates everything”, even the faith. This was Pope Francis’ prayer during mass this morning at Casa Santa Marta, commenting on a passage from the Book of Maccabees, in which the leaders of the people do not want Israel to be isolated from other nations , and so abandon their traditions to negotiate with the king.

"They go to “negotiate ” and are excited about it. It is as if they said “we are progressives; let’s follow progress like everyone else does”. As reported by Vatican Radio, the Pope noted that this is the “spirit of adolescent progressivism” according to which “any move forward and any choice is better than remaining within the routine of fidelity”. These people, therefore , negotiate “loyalty to God who is always faithful” with the king. “This is called apostasy”, “adultery.” They are, in fact, negotiating their values​​, “ negotiating the very essence of being faithful to the Lord .”

“And this is a contradiction: we do not negotiate values​​, but faithfulness. And this is the fruit of the devil, the prince of this world , who leads us forward with the spirit of worldliness. And then there are the direct consequences. They accepted the habits of the pagan, then a further step: the king wrote to his whole kingdom that all should be one people, and everyone would abandon their customs.

A globalizing conformity of all nations is not beautiful, rather, each with own customs but united, but it is the hegemonic uniformity of globalization, the single line of thought. And this single line of thought is the result of worldliness."

Obviously, this won’t make many headlines in the West.


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"A globalizing conformity of all nations is not beautiful, rather, each with own customs but united, but it is the hegemonic uniformity of globalization, the single line of thought. And this single line of thought is the result of worldliness."

Can I have an Amen?

1 posted on 11/18/2013 5:02:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amen Pope Francis


2 posted on 11/18/2013 5:04:08 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Either this Pope has bi-polar disorder, or the media are severely fudging the translations of his sentiments.


3 posted on 11/18/2013 5:06:04 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Mrs. Don-o

>> Can I have an Amen?

Amen.

And a breath of fresh air from a Pope who seemed to be embracing some trendy values for a while there.


4 posted on 11/18/2013 5:07:40 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s about time. Someone needs to clearly point out good and evil. Pogressiveness is the worldliness that the writers of the bible warn us about. Like good intentions, evil does not appear that way on the surface. It’s an ideology that if followed far enough will lead staight to Hell.


5 posted on 11/18/2013 5:12:22 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Viennacon

The media is against him and the message of Christ.


6 posted on 11/18/2013 5:13:32 PM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: Viennacon

Yes. It’s one or the other

What are the chances David Gregory or Martha radix or the Muslim rag of (NYT) are honest about what it is the Pontiff is trying to communicate to catholics?

Sigh


7 posted on 11/18/2013 5:15:12 PM PST by stanne
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Unless of course Leftists are following their own conscious, then it's fine.

8 posted on 11/18/2013 5:17:34 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Mrs. Don-o
When the 10 Commandments were removed from the public square, their opposites moved in to fill the void. The laws of Political Correctness are referred to as Doctrines of Demons. They're in opposition of Gods commandments.
9 posted on 11/18/2013 5:18:31 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Viennacon

“Either this Pope has bi-polar disorder, or the media are severely fudging the translations of his sentiments.”

I was thinking along those lines too. He was sounding like a liberal a few weeks ago, or at least that’s what I thought he said.


10 posted on 11/18/2013 5:18:51 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory ... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Viennacon

Actually, he was a stalwart opponent of “liberation theology” when he was in South America. That was a pretty clear sign that he was not progressive if it involved distorting the teachings of the Church.

Because liberation theology was a pretty big thing in Latin America, and it took a lot of guts to oppose it.


11 posted on 11/18/2013 5:20:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

We may have to be content with just never knowing exactly what he is all about, at least until I become more acquainted with the language.


12 posted on 11/18/2013 5:21:57 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Mrs. Don-o

link?


13 posted on 11/18/2013 5:24:06 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amen.


14 posted on 11/18/2013 5:33:18 PM PST by marron
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amen.


15 posted on 11/18/2013 5:35:30 PM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
“Either this Pope has bi-polar disorder, or the media are severely fudging the translations of his sentiments.”

"I was thinking along those lines too. He was sounding like a liberal a few weeks ago, or at least that’s what I thought he said."

Ditto. There aren't very many conservative Jesuits in my experience. Pope Francis certainly didn't strike me as one.

16 posted on 11/18/2013 5:42:34 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

My advice - always go to National Catholic Register (and definitely not NC Reporter) for direct Quotes in context.

The news media is even LESS trustworthy, when it comes to Pontifical matters than conservative ones.


17 posted on 11/18/2013 5:45:21 PM PST by stanne
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To: Viennacon

and The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a source he does not stray from in his statements.

So, actually, one can always know.

WE assume that there can be an imposter in there, as has been in the distant past, and as there is here.

But No that is highly unlikely, to say the least.


18 posted on 11/18/2013 5:48:01 PM PST by stanne
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To: Sooth2222

The Jesuits as founded were adherent to the Magisterium, the Bible, and tradition. There were contemporary Jesuits who rejected some of this, notably, Humanae Vitae, which pointed to the dangers of Birth control.

Most Catholics adhere to the rejection of this document, claiming they can be Catholic and also support/practice birth control, which, according to the document, from 1968, and believed by the Church, certainly by Pope John Paul II, and the current Pope, is the precursor/the parent of abortion, not the other way around.

Yet those who would put him and the Jesuits down, see nothing wrong with promoting or having a favorable opinion toward birth control.

But The Jesuits go back centuries, and are certainly not, by foundation, contrary to the Church.

That is where this Pope is from. He would not have been elected had he been contrary to the Church.

The media reports on him like Candy Crowley supports conservatives. No truth.

Of course.


19 posted on 11/18/2013 5:58:47 PM PST by stanne
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To: Viennacon
Either this Pope has bi-polar disorder, or the media are severely fudging the translations of his sentiments.

This is the standard modernist tactic.

Feed the conservative pigeons every now and then with some red meat to get them to ignore how he undermines his own faith in other ways.

Stupid conservatives fall for this tactic all the time.

20 posted on 11/18/2013 6:15:52 PM PST by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

Conservatives?

Last I checked, the papacy was not an American political position.

Catholicism is growing in Latin countries and in African countries.

It is waning in the West and that means Europe and America, yet these countries think they are the center of even the Catholic Universe.

And that the Catholic Church follows their political law; that it is a democrat organization subject to change like the American one.

No. It has existed as it does for 2,000 years. It dows not emulate the much younger and secular American system.

It is a silly notion that never coms true and it is not true.

He


21 posted on 11/18/2013 6:23:04 PM PST by stanne
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To: Mrs. Don-o

AMEN!!!!!!!


22 posted on 11/18/2013 6:24:10 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: stanne
Conservatives?

Last I checked, the papacy was not an American political position.

What is the point of your inane reply?

The tread is about progressivism/conservatism which is a worldwide phenomenon.

23 posted on 11/18/2013 6:30:24 PM PST by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

What’s my point?

To dispute your silly notions.

For instance:

‘Feed the conservative pigeons every now and then with some red meat to get them to ignore how he undermines his own faith...”


24 posted on 11/18/2013 6:32:42 PM PST by stanne
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To: ClaytonP

Would you care to give a non inane reply to the question, what progressivism has this Pope promoted?


25 posted on 11/18/2013 6:34:55 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
So let me get this straight:

The pope attacks progressivism and you think that means something totally disconnected from American politics or progressive religious beliefs or just plain worldwide leftism.

I mention Conservatism and you think that I'm only talking about American politics??

That is why your reply was stupid.

Its as if you think there has never been conservative thought anywhere in the world before the USA

26 posted on 11/18/2013 6:39:04 PM PST by ClaytonP
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sure can. Amen.


27 posted on 11/18/2013 6:40:49 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ClaytonP

I didn’t think you’d give a reply to my simple question, to qualify your original accusation.

the rest will be anti-Catholic drivel I nve grown to expect here.


28 posted on 11/18/2013 6:49:11 PM PST by stanne
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Amen!!!
29 posted on 11/18/2013 6:53:17 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: stanne
the rest will be anti-Catholic drivel I nve grown to expect here.

HERE WE GO.

The real reason for your illogical and nonsensical reply is that I criticized your leader and you had a hissy fit.

30 posted on 11/18/2013 6:56:03 PM PST by ClaytonP
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To: Viennacon

Folks know the press doesn’t always get it right and sometimes doesn’t even try on other matters. Why would anybody ever think it would be any different here?


31 posted on 11/18/2013 6:59:14 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Progressive” also means progressive economics, and he’s had nice things to say about economic justice. I still can’t figure him out.


32 posted on 11/18/2013 7:08:32 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

30+ posts and still no link?


33 posted on 11/18/2013 7:11:28 PM PST by posterchild
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To: Viennacon
“Either this Pope has bi-polar disorder, or the media are severely fudging the translations of his sentiments.”

He is human, and will sometimes say amazing things, and sometimes not so amazing. I have zero doubt that his faith is true and strong, and that he lives by this. You can be all of those things, and still make human error, daily.

34 posted on 11/18/2013 7:14:23 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: posterchild
Found it at weaselzippers.us

Pope Francis Calls Out “Progressives” By Name, Says They Are Pushing The “Fruit of The Devil”

35 posted on 11/18/2013 7:19:06 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: ClaytonP

You did not criticize the Pope. You made an inane remark that you still have not backed up .

Just back it up.


36 posted on 11/18/2013 7:41:11 PM PST by stanne
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To: SoFloFreeper; Admin Moderator
Gaaah, SoFlo, what happened to my link??! I'll have to ask the Admin Moderator to put it up there at the top:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/pope-francis-blasts-progressive-movement-the-fruit-of-the-devil/

Source: TheGatewayPundit.

37 posted on 11/19/2013 6:42:01 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: posterchild
I just got online and noticed this. Hope the Admin Moderator will fix it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3092875/posts?page=37#37

38 posted on 11/19/2013 6:47:52 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks!!


39 posted on 11/19/2013 7:05:32 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Admin Moderator

I didn’t have a link at the top here. Could you please put it is for me?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/pope-francis-blasts-progressive-movement-the-fruit-of-the-devil/

Source: TheGatewayPundit.

Thanks


40 posted on 11/19/2013 9:04:54 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Why did you leave this part out??
Pope Francis blasted the progressive movement that negotiates everything, even faith.
ASIA.net reported, via Free Republic:

God save us from the “hegemonic uniformity ” of the “one line of thought”, “fruit of the spirit of the world that negotiates everything”, even the faith. This was Pope Francis’ prayer during mass this morning at Casa Santa Marta, commenting on a passage from the Book of Maccabees, in which the leaders of the people do not want Israel to be isolated from other nations , and so abandon their traditions to negotiate with the king. [etc etc]

Might as well have a link to the thread that inspired this article.
41 posted on 11/19/2013 9:59:05 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Syncro
I'm sorry. I was dong this quickly late last night and I fumbled several things. Put in the wrong picture (not bad, but not the one I intended to), forgot the link, dropped more than one line of text.

Thanks for the correction. Good shout-out to FR.

42 posted on 11/19/2013 12:40:28 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

NP Mrs. Don-o

I always try to post articles using the HTML imbedded, that way all the links come through.

Now listen here, getcher act together girl!

LOL, JK I’ve done the same thing...


43 posted on 11/19/2013 3:44:00 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Syncro

Thank you. I must remember to come to you for tutoring :o)


44 posted on 11/19/2013 4:13:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Takes one to know one, and vice versa.)
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