Skip to comments.POPE FRANCIS Blasts Progressive Movement – “The Fruit of the Devil”
Posted on 11/18/2013 5:02:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis blasted the progressive movement that negotiates everything, even faith.
God save us from the hegemonic uniformity of the one line of thought, fruit of the spirit of the world that negotiates everything, even the faith. This was Pope Francis prayer during mass this morning at Casa Santa Marta, commenting on a passage from the Book of Maccabees, in which the leaders of the people do not want Israel to be isolated from other nations , and so abandon their traditions to negotiate with the king.
"They go to negotiate and are excited about it. It is as if they said we are progressives; lets follow progress like everyone else does. As reported by Vatican Radio, the Pope noted that this is the spirit of adolescent progressivism according to which any move forward and any choice is better than remaining within the routine of fidelity. These people, therefore , negotiate loyalty to God who is always faithful with the king. This is called apostasy, adultery. They are, in fact, negotiating their values, negotiating the very essence of being faithful to the Lord .
And this is a contradiction: we do not negotiate values, but faithfulness. And this is the fruit of the devil, the prince of this world , who leads us forward with the spirit of worldliness. And then there are the direct consequences. They accepted the habits of the pagan, then a further step: the king wrote to his whole kingdom that all should be one people, and everyone would abandon their customs.
A globalizing conformity of all nations is not beautiful, rather, each with own customs but united, but it is the hegemonic uniformity of globalization, the single line of thought. And this single line of thought is the result of worldliness."
Obviously, this wont make many headlines in the West.
"A globalizing conformity of all nations is not beautiful, rather, each with own customs but united, but it is the hegemonic uniformity of globalization, the single line of thought. And this single line of thought is the result of worldliness."
Can I have an Amen?
Amen Pope Francis
Either this Pope has bi-polar disorder, or the media are severely fudging the translations of his sentiments.
>> Can I have an Amen?
And a breath of fresh air from a Pope who seemed to be embracing some trendy values for a while there.
It’s about time. Someone needs to clearly point out good and evil. Pogressiveness is the worldliness that the writers of the bible warn us about. Like good intentions, evil does not appear that way on the surface. It’s an ideology that if followed far enough will lead staight to Hell.
The media is against him and the message of Christ.
Yes. It’s one or the other
What are the chances David Gregory or Martha radix or the Muslim rag of (NYT) are honest about what it is the Pontiff is trying to communicate to catholics?
“Either this Pope has bi-polar disorder, or the media are severely fudging the translations of his sentiments.”
I was thinking along those lines too. He was sounding like a liberal a few weeks ago, or at least that’s what I thought he said.
Actually, he was a stalwart opponent of “liberation theology” when he was in South America. That was a pretty clear sign that he was not progressive if it involved distorting the teachings of the Church.
Because liberation theology was a pretty big thing in Latin America, and it took a lot of guts to oppose it.
We may have to be content with just never knowing exactly what he is all about, at least until I become more acquainted with the language.
"I was thinking along those lines too. He was sounding like a liberal a few weeks ago, or at least thats what I thought he said."
Ditto. There aren't very many conservative Jesuits in my experience. Pope Francis certainly didn't strike me as one.
My advice - always go to National Catholic Register (and definitely not NC Reporter) for direct Quotes in context.
The news media is even LESS trustworthy, when it comes to Pontifical matters than conservative ones.
and The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a source he does not stray from in his statements.
So, actually, one can always know.
WE assume that there can be an imposter in there, as has been in the distant past, and as there is here.
But No that is highly unlikely, to say the least.
The Jesuits as founded were adherent to the Magisterium, the Bible, and tradition. There were contemporary Jesuits who rejected some of this, notably, Humanae Vitae, which pointed to the dangers of Birth control.
Most Catholics adhere to the rejection of this document, claiming they can be Catholic and also support/practice birth control, which, according to the document, from 1968, and believed by the Church, certainly by Pope John Paul II, and the current Pope, is the precursor/the parent of abortion, not the other way around.
Yet those who would put him and the Jesuits down, see nothing wrong with promoting or having a favorable opinion toward birth control.
But The Jesuits go back centuries, and are certainly not, by foundation, contrary to the Church.
That is where this Pope is from. He would not have been elected had he been contrary to the Church.
The media reports on him like Candy Crowley supports conservatives. No truth.
This is the standard modernist tactic.
Feed the conservative pigeons every now and then with some red meat to get them to ignore how he undermines his own faith in other ways.
Stupid conservatives fall for this tactic all the time.
Last I checked, the papacy was not an American political position.
Catholicism is growing in Latin countries and in African countries.
It is waning in the West and that means Europe and America, yet these countries think they are the center of even the Catholic Universe.
And that the Catholic Church follows their political law; that it is a democrat organization subject to change like the American one.
No. It has existed as it does for 2,000 years. It dows not emulate the much younger and secular American system.
It is a silly notion that never coms true and it is not true.
Last I checked, the papacy was not an American political position.
What is the point of your inane reply?
The tread is about progressivism/conservatism which is a worldwide phenomenon.
What’s my point?
To dispute your silly notions.
‘Feed the conservative pigeons every now and then with some red meat to get them to ignore how he undermines his own faith...”
Would you care to give a non inane reply to the question, what progressivism has this Pope promoted?
The pope attacks progressivism and you think that means something totally disconnected from American politics or progressive religious beliefs or just plain worldwide leftism.
I mention Conservatism and you think that I'm only talking about American politics??
That is why your reply was stupid.
Its as if you think there has never been conservative thought anywhere in the world before the USA
Sure can. Amen.
I didn’t think you’d give a reply to my simple question, to qualify your original accusation.
the rest will be anti-Catholic drivel I nve grown to expect here.
HERE WE GO.
The real reason for your illogical and nonsensical reply is that I criticized your leader and you had a hissy fit.
Folks know the press doesn’t always get it right and sometimes doesn’t even try on other matters. Why would anybody ever think it would be any different here?
“Progressive” also means progressive economics, and he’s had nice things to say about economic justice. I still can’t figure him out.
30+ posts and still no link?
He is human, and will sometimes say amazing things, and sometimes not so amazing. I have zero doubt that his faith is true and strong, and that he lives by this. You can be all of those things, and still make human error, daily.
You did not criticize the Pope. You made an inane remark that you still have not backed up .
Just back it up.
I didn’t have a link at the top here. Could you please put it is for me?
Pope Francis blasted the progressive movement that negotiates everything, even faith.Might as well have a link to the thread that inspired this article.
ASIA.net reported, via Free Republic:
God save us from the hegemonic uniformity of the one line of thought, fruit of the spirit of the world that negotiates everything, even the faith. This was Pope Francis prayer during mass this morning at Casa Santa Marta, commenting on a passage from the Book of Maccabees, in which the leaders of the people do not want Israel to be isolated from other nations , and so abandon their traditions to negotiate with the king. [etc etc]
Thanks for the correction. Good shout-out to FR.
NP Mrs. Don-o
I always try to post articles using the HTML imbedded, that way all the links come through.
Now listen here, getcher act together girl!
LOL, JK I’ve done the same thing...
Thank you. I must remember to come to you for tutoring :o)