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Members of Congress: Abolish IRS
World Net Daily ^ | 19 November, 2013 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 11/19/2013 8:24:49 AM PST by Errant

It happens rarely. A taxpayer challenging the constitutional basis for the income tax wins in court, defeating the Internal Revenue Service, such as in the case brought by the late Tom Cryer, who was acquitted on a charge of failing to pay $73,000 to the government.

Now three members of Congress want to make that result the norm through a bill that would repeal the 16th Amendment, effectively canceling federal income taxes.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: abolishirs; corruption; irs; ripoff; tax
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That's what I'm talking about! Who usurped the Constitution and allowed for the massive power of the Federal Government to be directed against the citizens of this country for collection of a tax on our labor like slaves? The same SOBs that gave us the Federal Reserve and who have now made us bankrupt.
1 posted on 11/19/2013 8:24:49 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

Woodrow Wilson and Sen Aldrich of NEW YAWK.


2 posted on 11/19/2013 8:26:20 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Errant

Abolish career politicians first: then there is no reason for a hopelessly complex, contradictory, and economically damaging tax code. And no need for Storm Troopers to enforce it.


3 posted on 11/19/2013 8:27:58 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Errant

This is the only way you can effectively cripple a tyrant; remove his funding sources. The liberals have kept the consevatives up against the ropes so long it’s refreshing to see them go on the defensive for a change.


4 posted on 11/19/2013 8:28:01 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Errant
How did Tom Cryer become the late Tom Cryer?

Did the IRS help make that happen?

6 posted on 11/19/2013 8:30:55 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Errant
From the article:

"In Cryer’s case, a 12-member jury in federal jury him not guilty of the IRS’ allegations..."At the time, he told WND that his argument was that “income” did not necessarily refer to any money that a person acquires, but rather limited categories such as profit and interest.

"He said the free exchange of labor for compensation has been upheld as a right by the Supreme Court, but that doesn’t necessarily make the compensation “income” for tax purposes."

How is this not a national precedent?

7 posted on 11/19/2013 8:34:40 AM PST by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: US Navy Vet

trivia: Senator Nelson Aldrich’s grandson was film director Robert Aldrich (The Flight of the Phoenix, The Dirty Dozen).


8 posted on 11/19/2013 8:37:38 AM PST by Borges
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To: jsanders2001

Imagine the mass insanity of Marxists if it died. I might start a pool on how many commit suicide if it came to pass. The nation would be better off.


9 posted on 11/19/2013 8:38:18 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Errant

A sensible import tariff policy could replace the tax revenue from income taxes.


10 posted on 11/19/2013 8:39:33 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: alancarp
Juries only find a Defendant guilty or not guilty. They don't rule on the constitutionality of statutes.

Cryer was a much more skillful trial attorney than were any of the Assistant US Attorneys who prosecuted the case. While the Court ruled against Cryer on his constitutional arguments, he successfully argued to the jury that "intent" was a necessary element of the crime for which he was charged and the prosecution had failed to introduce any evidence on that element.

11 posted on 11/19/2013 8:41:00 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: alancarp

bttt


12 posted on 11/19/2013 8:41:25 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Errant
It is about time we got rid of those criminals each year that goes by and each democrat that doesn’t like someone the IRS is sicked on them..Obama has abused his power and so has these criminal liars with the IRS..get rid of Obama and also his cronies at the IRS..
13 posted on 11/19/2013 8:42:25 AM PST by PLD
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To: Errant

Abolish the IRS?
How about abolish 80 percent of ALL gub mint?
Worthless bunch of leaches that they are!


14 posted on 11/19/2013 8:43:44 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ( Hey Rubio, eat pooh pal))
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To: alancarp
How is this not a national precedent?

How can it be when it doesn't make national news? Most of the people in this country are too busy watching circuses to notice invaders...

15 posted on 11/19/2013 8:47:30 AM PST by Errant
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To: Joe Boucher
How about abolish 80 percent of ALL gub mint?

The easiest thing to do is cut off the funding. The rest will take care of itself.

16 posted on 11/19/2013 8:48:32 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

http://www.repeal16thamendment.com/repeal.asp
As crazy as this initially sounds, it targets the right beast.


17 posted on 11/19/2013 8:48:49 AM PST by mad puppy (E PLURIBUS UNUM)
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To: SC_Pete

Flat tax.

Russia does it, 13% of all your annual income = your tax owed

Somehow it works - and it’s simple, so there’s no need for thousands of deductions (and a big bureaucracy)


18 posted on 11/19/2013 8:49:04 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: central_va

and possibly help fix balance of trade (?)


19 posted on 11/19/2013 8:50:06 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: central_va
A sensible import tariff policy

That might also help keep jobs here.

20 posted on 11/19/2013 8:50:34 AM PST by Errant
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To: central_va

“A sensible import tariff policy could replace the tax revenue from income taxes.”

Reduce government to what it should be per the Constitution, and we won’t need to “replace” revenue from income taxes.


21 posted on 11/19/2013 8:51:25 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Excellent Point!


22 posted on 11/19/2013 8:53:46 AM PST by Errant
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To: PLD

Not only abnolish it, but any employee of the IRS that has been involved in ANY criminal activity or unconstitutional activity while employed goes to jail.

In other words, we need to build more prisons!


23 posted on 11/19/2013 8:54:27 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Errant

Once again, Congress is hiding behind the IRS as the cause of all the taxation problems in this country. You, Congress, wrote and passed these ridiculous laws. It is you who screwed this country, not the IRS.


24 posted on 11/19/2013 8:55:13 AM PST by GeorgeTex (Obama-The Ultimate Terrorist Weapon.)
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To: canuck_conservative

The irony of Russia’s flat tax is that the oligarchy had the power to impose it. They realize, just as the Heritage Foundation, that a simple flat tax will spur economic growth. Unfortunately, OUR oligarchy of career politicians, crony capitalists, media elites, and leftist professors all benefit from the complexity of the tax code. Farmers, manufacturers, pharmas, health care, solar, oil—the list is endless. Incumbency is the single most corrupting influence in our entire political system. Term limits is the only answer.


25 posted on 11/19/2013 8:57:44 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: GeorgeTex

They also delegated regulatory power that they should have kept as legislative power.


26 posted on 11/19/2013 8:59:12 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Errant; Mr. Lucky
How can it be when it doesn't make national news?

This was really my (poorly couched) point... how did this not hit every news program and twitter account across the country?

It would seem that even the news media fears what might happen... and I am guessing that the IRS has opted to let this one quietly be closed on its own: for had they lost on appeal, then the scope of this case would indeed be larger and easier to replicate... even without a jury.

27 posted on 11/19/2013 9:01:03 AM PST by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: alancarp

Agree


28 posted on 11/19/2013 9:02:46 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
Tariffs wouldn't bring industry back to America.

They would turn what industry America still has into just another component of the bloated welfare state. There's simply no need to compete when you have a captive market. That's one of the reasons why the Soviet car industry wasn't the wonder of the world.

Tariffs would also give the Government the ability to choose winners and losers in the domestic marketplace, allowing them to effectively enforce unionization and the rest of their whacked-out agenda

If you hand tariff power to the Government then your most important competitive act suddenly isn't to work better, faster, cheaper - it's to lobby the Government for interventions that suit your company.

Because once you allow Government to place a foot on the hose of production, negotiating with that foot becomes more important than anything else.

Finally - tariffs breach Freedom of Association. Why would we force Americans to buy something they don't want? If a foreign car is better, faster or cheaper than a GM Volt, by what right would we interfere?


If you truly want to bring industry back to America then remove the barriers to industry in America. Capital goes where it is treated best.

Reduce Corporate taxation. Also, simplify taxation. Tax fulfillment costs have become a significant burden on smaller businesses.

Reduce the vast panoply of EPA and other environmental regulations. Companies aren't going to relocate to a country where wood stoves can be declared illegal.

Remove arbitrary, vindictive Government (we all remember Gibson's guitars, I hope).

Get rid of Obamacare. America isn't France. Companies need employees to work more than 29 hours a week, and that's only a small piece of the anti-competitive madness pouring out from Obamacare.

Well, hope this was helpful.

29 posted on 11/19/2013 9:06:04 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: GeorgeTex
It is you who screwed this country, not the IRS.

Agree the IRS, for the most part, is just doing their job. I put the biggest blame on the Congress and Senate of 1913 when the income tax and Fed was established.

It's up to the people and the current leaders in DC to fix it. Kill the funding and the federal beast will necessarily return to its cage.

30 posted on 11/19/2013 9:07:02 AM PST by Errant
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To: agere_contra

In the 50’s industry needed government.

Now,

Government desperatly needs industry.

Industry no longer needs government, in fact they can pretty much buy any governemnt they need. ExxonMobil’s “state department” is far more efficient then the US department of (screw ups) state.


31 posted on 11/19/2013 9:08:36 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Errant

What? get rid of the agency that acts as a giant welfare agency, taking money from those who earn it and passing it to those who vote for more money? The agency that keeps people off welfare by giving them a welfare check disguised as a job? The agency that hounds and harasses innocent hard-working citizens?

never happen.


32 posted on 11/19/2013 9:15:55 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: agere_contra; central_va; rockinqsranch
Sound analysis, but the keyword included with the suggestion of tariffs was "sensible". Of course that would be meaningless unless some limits were placed upon the maximum tariffs that could be levied on any single item, let's say.

Any tax plan needs careful consideration and much public debate. For certain, the boot of the federal government should be removed from the neck of average citizens. The states should ALWAYS be the conduit between the two, unless it is a matter of a state abusing rights of citizens as granted by the Constitution.

33 posted on 11/19/2013 9:17:42 AM PST by Errant
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To: Joe Boucher
Then they'd all have to go get REAL work ... bucking hay ... plowing fields, welding steel, sweeping floors ... building factory's ... BUILDING something ... MANUFACTURING ...

Holy prosperity Batman!

We might even become a super wealthy, super power if THAT happened !

34 posted on 11/19/2013 9:18:47 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: jsanders2001
“This is the only way you can effectively cripple a tyrant; remove his funding sources. The liberals have kept the consevatives up against the ropes so long it’s refreshing to see them go on the defensive for a change.”

I do believe you meant to say “offensive” in place of “defensive” since this is what most of these RINO’s have been doing on the defensive, instead of taking it to the liberal socialist.

The best defense is a great offense!

35 posted on 11/19/2013 9:19:00 AM PST by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: I want the USA back
never happen

Never my friend is a VERY long time... ;) Eventually it will collapse under its own weight.

36 posted on 11/19/2013 9:20:51 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
The states should ALWAYS be the conduit between the two

Well +1 to that and well said.

State-level subsidiarity in taxes would lead back to that thing which is the essential genius of The United States: competition in government.

Don't like the bloated government and high taxes of State A? Move to State B. Simple and ingenious.

37 posted on 11/19/2013 9:22:38 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra
Don't like the bloated government and high taxes of State A? Move to State B. Simple and ingenious.

Amen!

38 posted on 11/19/2013 9:25:22 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

bkmk


39 posted on 11/19/2013 9:28:24 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: alancarp

Jury verdicts aren’t subject to appeal.


40 posted on 11/19/2013 9:34:03 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: PotatoChop

> The best defense is a great offense!

Especially with the Alynskites. Truth and exposing their evil deeds in secret is also especially effective. Liars, manipulators, and deceivers don’t like to be shown for what they really are.


41 posted on 11/19/2013 9:34:20 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: canuck_conservative

what we have now started as a flat tax...

abolish it and institute the fair tax, where the states collect the revenue and the feds have to petition for a percentage.


42 posted on 11/19/2013 9:40:58 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: teeman8r

abolish it and institute the fair tax, where the states collect the revenue and the feds have to petition for a percentage.

________

Good thinking! States need to stand up to Fed tyranny.

I am starting to think that a standing Army is a bad thing too. I am turning into a Patrick Henry disciple and wish now that he had been the first President....

Patrick Henry: “A standing army we shall have, also, to execute the execrable commands of tyranny”


43 posted on 11/19/2013 9:59:48 AM PST by Geoffrey
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To: Errant

There is an important finesse point here. Constitutional amendments *by themselves* do nothing. They must have “enabling acts” to function.

This is best known with Prohibition, which itself did nothing until its enabling act, the Volstead Act, was passed. Importantly, president Wilson tried to veto it, and was overridden by congress.

Trying to overturn the 16th Amendment would be extremely difficult, compared to overturning its enabling acts.

And here’s the zinger: if congress chose to do so, it could so thoroughly reinterpret the 16th Amendment with its new enabling act, that it would effectively *end* the income tax, and replace it with some other form of taxation.


44 posted on 11/19/2013 10:03:30 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (War on Terror news at rantburg.com)
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To: Errant

Tariffs cannot do the job alone, a NRST will probably be necessary too. Also vastly shrinking FedGov™ of course.


45 posted on 11/19/2013 10:12:09 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Sounds like a way to open another front. What's to stop an attack from two sides then? Improves the odds of getting the job done, does it not?

Good thinking...

46 posted on 11/19/2013 10:16:03 AM PST by Errant
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To: central_va; canuck_conservative
I really liked this proposition: the states collect the revenue and the feds have to petition for a percentage.
47 posted on 11/19/2013 10:19:29 AM PST by Errant
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To: US Navy Vet

He covered his tracks pretty well but do not forget Philander C. (Sleepy Phil) Knox. He of the famous quote (To TR regarding the Panama Canal); “Mister President, do not let so great an achievement suffer from any taint of legality,”


48 posted on 11/19/2013 10:20:52 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: agere_contra
So what you are saying that US manufacturers never compete with each other? Or they are price fixing. This kind of anti USA brain washing is what passes for education at "Business School". Pure BS. Up until 1980 we manged to survive making most if our own products, HOW DID WE DO IT! It's amazing!

America was strongest when tariffs were high, income taxes did not exit and manufacturing humming along.

49 posted on 11/19/2013 10:24:23 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: canuck_conservative

That still makes some an economic slave; does not encompass ALL peoples (IE: still those w/ no skin in the game); and a few other niggling peeves....

Return to what worked for ~150 years


50 posted on 11/19/2013 10:26:33 AM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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